Aren't women, by definition, submissive in nature?

[WriterDom]

Sure there are exceptions. But for every Ebonyfire and Netzach there are 10,000 female submissives.

 

[Dumpling]

Iam one of the exceptions ~anyone else wants to raise their Hand

 

[WriterDom]

Iam one of the exceptions ~anyone else wants to raise their Hand

Nice tits. And welcome.

 

[veckylee]

Sometimes is, sometimes isn't.

 

[MaiHy]

Err, this isn't supposed to be flame bait, is it? Just out of curiousity.

Devoted switch here-- wouldn't give up either side of the power exchange.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Sure there are exceptions. But for every Ebonyfire and Netzach there are 10,000 female submissives.

I agree

 

[m wisdom]

By definition women are human, therefore they are equal to other humans, until proven otherwise.

 

[GentleSub_Ivy]

By definition women are human, therefore they are equal to other humans, until proven otherwise.

Interesting. So do you think he was asking if submissives were not equal to dominants? I didn't read that into his question at all. Just curious.

In answer to the question I think we still have gender roles stuffed down our throats by society, but many are challenging that.

Ivy

 

[Netzach]

To be fair, don't more people go along with their social programming than not, too?

I don't think anyone has a freaking clue what anyone "naturally" is because we are living the synthetic dream. The whole notion is very German Romantic in an icky way. Gramma made me what I am and reading Leatherfolk made me decide it's OK anyway.

Oh, and for every male Dom posting here there are like 80million in my face wanting to be spit on - I don't know if that makes them submissive but I do know it means men are not "naturally" dominant. But maybe if we were all farming, which I understand is hard work but way lower stress than big box retail and offices and 2 hour commutes...

my point is, tongue-in-cheek, we are living such a constructed reality that most of us only re-establish who we actually ARE as a mid life crisis, no?

 

[ecstaticsub]

Nope, I don't agree. In my day to day life I am quite dominant. I run my house. Everyone including my husband follows my rules, my directions. I by my own free will and choice made the decision to be submissive to someone else. I wouldn't call making that decision a sumbissive gesture.

 

[GentleSub_Ivy]

To be fair, don't more people go along with their social programming than not, too?

Yes many people enjoy the status quo and of course many wouldn't change if they had the choice. Sometimes though I think people just do this because it's easier and easy is good to them.

I have no clue what the "statistics" regarding female submissives are. Interesting that it seems the "professional dominants" are mainly women though.

Ivy

 

[Netzach]

Yes many people enjoy the status quo and of course many wouldn't change if they had the choice. Sometimes though I think people just do this because it's easier and easy is good to them.

I have no clue what the "statistics" regarding female submissives are. Interesting that it seems the "professional dominants" are mainly women though.

Ivy

Well, those are the sex work stats in general - the providers are both genders and very few clients are women.

But I'm also puzzling out something, which is that *most* of the more socially aggressive women I've met in the scene are submissive. I find the whole "well that's just a facade" notion kind of weird - this idea that you only stop faking it when you're home or when you're fucking is just weird to me. I don't consider myself a dominant woman in most aspects, more a flaky artist type who really doesn't take direction for shit.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I think the majority of people go along with the flow, but there are a few of both gender who question, seek knowledge from a variety of sorces and often cultures, and keep their mind open to other realities. My experience has been to be the later does bring you under attack often, but the crossfire is worth a million times being one of the sheep who go along without thinking too much outside the box. I also have noticed that while many men believe themselves to be dominant, many more are very dependent and fooling themselves into thinking being male makes them alpha much the same way as a lot of those who label themselves Dominant believe that alone makes them so...it isn't always. But me thinks WD knows all this and is just bored and looking for some fun.

Catalina

 

[GentleSub_Ivy]

...But me thinks WD knows all this and is just bored and looking for some fun.

Catalina

Ah, my bad...lol. Super serious newbie me. I shall step away from the commencing flame wars then.

Ivy

 

[WriterDom]

Well, 26% of the world is Muslim. And their women are about as submissive as they come.

Biblical view of women
The God of the Bible decrees that woman must submit to the dominance of man.

"The social and legal position of an Israelite wife was inferior to the position a wife occupied in the great countries round about... all the texts show that Israelites wanted mainly sons to perpetuate the family line and fortune, and to preserve the ancestral inheritance... A husband could divorce his wife; women on the other hand could not ask for divorce... the wife called her husband Ba'al or master; she also called him adon or lord; she addressed him, in fact, as a slave addressed his master or subject, his king. The Decalogue includes a man's wife among his possessions... all her life she remains a minor. The wife does not inherit from her husband, nor daughters from their father, except when there is no male heir. A vow made by a girl or married woman needs, to be valid, the consent of the father or husband and if this consent is withheld, the vow is null and void. A man had a right to sell his daughter. Women were excluded from the succession."

-Roland de Vaux, archaeologist and priest

 

[catalina_francisco]

Well, 26% of the world is Muslim. And their women are about as submissive as they come.

Biblical view of women
The God of the Bible decrees that woman must submit to the dominance of man.

"The social and legal position of an Israelite wife was inferior to the position a wife occupied in the great countries round about... all the texts show that Israelites wanted mainly sons to perpetuate the family line and fortune, and to preserve the ancestral inheritance... A husband could divorce his wife; women on the other hand could not ask for divorce... the wife called her husband Ba'al or master; she also called him adon or lord; she addressed him, in fact, as a slave addressed his master or subject, his king. The Decalogue includes a man's wife among his possessions... all her life she remains a minor. The wife does not inherit from her husband, nor daughters from their father, except when there is no male heir. A vow made by a girl or married woman needs, to be valid, the consent of the father or husband and if this consent is withheld, the vow is null and void. A man had a right to sell his daughter. Women were excluded from the succession."

-Roland de Vaux, archaeologist and priest

LOL, this is only according to some areas of society, and a westernised view. I have met more than a few muslim women who are not submissive in their hearts and are actively working in their won ways to change that perception int eh lives of all muslim women to allow choice. Then there is also the Chinese community I saw a documentary on where the women rule everything...they do not live with the father of their children by their choice (husbands/lovers live with their mother), they rule the finances, they raise the children, they have as many lovers as they want, and they run the local council and make the decisions about all things relating to the community. Of course there are many societies which are ruled by women, just not so much in the west.

Catalina

 

[WriterDom]

Maybe if they work hard enough, they'll get the right to drive a car.



I love Chinese women. They all seem very submissive to me. I eat there when I need a quick Dom fix.

 

[likemags]

i woulld like to say that submissive nature is not by gender.. it comes by the nature of a person... i have seen meny women who do not commit to sex at all....

 

[Guest]

Aren't all Doms, by definition, cruel sadistic assholes who prey on damaged persons because they're unable to get it up for a person who loves and respects themselves?

Of course not - but a question such as the one starting this thread makes me wonder.

Threaten something an enotionally healthy woman loves, her child perhaps, no matter what her kink you'll see some pretty agressive dominant whup-ass.

E.T.A. Flame fun, anyone?

 

[FurryFury]

My experience with Oriental women, and I suspect Muslim women are like this also, is that they seem submissive but often are very strong and very manipulative, (which I don't say is a bad thing, though the word has a bad reputation), whether they are sexually submissive or not.

Typically in their day to day lives they are in charge of many areas. Their men may or may not recognize that. Therein lies the beauty of it.

Fury

 

[m wisdom]

Interesting. So do you think he was asking if submissives were not equal to dominants? I didn't read that into his question at all. Just curious.

In answer to the question I think we still have gender roles stuffed down our throats by society, but many are challenging that.

Ivy

No, but he did say "... by definition, submissive in nature?" which I don't agree with at all.

If he had asked if more women are submissive then dominant, then I would have agreed. But I believe that that goes for men as well. There are more people that follow then lead no matter their sex.

Besides, it's an WriterDom thread so I won't take it too seriously anyway. No offence WD

 

[GentleSub_Ivy]

No, but he did say "... by definition, submissive in nature?" which I don't agree with at all.

If he had asked if more women are submissive then dominant, then I would have agreed. But I believe that that goes for men as well. There are more people that follow then lead no matter their sex.

Besides, it's an WriterDom thread so I won't take it too seriously anyway. No offence WD

I agree...people are people.

*blushes* I feel like such a newbie. I will have to remember this about WD from now on.

Ivy

 

[WriterDom]

Well, you know a thread is good when it brings in people who never post in this forum.

I just wanted to liven things up a little. Don't get your fucking panties in a wad.

 

[SpencerAlanMacLeod]

"Don't get your fucking panties in a wad."

I concur; use a crotch rope with a knot in it instead!

 

[ecstaticsub]

But I'm also puzzling out something, which is that *most* of the more socially aggressive women I've met in the scene are submissive. I find the whole "well that's just a facade" notion kind of weird - this idea that you only stop faking it when you're home or when you're fucking is just weird to me. I don't consider myself a dominant woman in most aspects, more a flaky artist type who really doesn't take direction for shit.

I don't think it has anything to do with faking it. I don't fake being a strong dominant woman in my day to day life, I simply fill a need. Someone has to be in charge for things to get done correctly. Allowing myself to let go and enjoy someone else being in complete control in one of the reasons I enjoy submission.