Are you a mattress master?

[tassie]

do you lie back and expect your sub to do all the work? do you refuse to engage on an emotional level and tell him/her they're topping from below if they want to discuss things? do you get them to do crap household tasks not on a power exchange level but because you cant be arsed to do them yourself?

being only in my 2nd d/s relationship i have not met this person yet.

but is there a flip to the pillow princess coin?

 

[tassie]

erm. that should have read are you a mattress master/mistress.

sorry.

 

[Lancecastor]

Though I am surely Master of The Mattress....

....I would like to think that I'm not the flip side male parallel of the non-participatory, taking-not-giving undertone that seems to go with the definition of Pillow Princess.

I think I pull at least my own weight in any relationship and have heard highly flattering reviews about me from third parties reporting the words of ex-grrlfriends they've met by chance. I've even had referral dates, a fact of which I am quite proud, spank-you very much.

Hope this helps;

Lance

 

[artful]

Tassie

do you lie back and expect your sub to do all the work? do you refuse to engage on an emotional level and tell him/her they're topping from below if they want to discuss things? do you get them to do crap household tasks not on a power exchange level but because you cant be arsed to do them yourself?

being only in my 2nd d/s relationship i have not met this person yet.

but is there a flip to the pillow princess coin?

I suspect there is a "flip" side to every coin. To ME,...sex,...kinky sex or straight sex is readily available to most folks in this society,...and has BEEN thusly since the sixties.

A maid to keep up the house or apartment is easily procured. Finding someone who TRULY wishes to *submit* to a Dom/me in a 24/7 TPE is NOT.

I don't really know how difficult it is for a sub to find a Dom/me that matches his/her needs, but from what I have gleaned from the Forum posts,... THAT is essentially the same degree of difficulty.

There ARE Pillow Princesses,...and there ARE Comfort Kings, but they are NOT, in MY relationships.

That doesn't mean they have no WORTH,...it just means I have no interest in being in THAT type of relationship.

To each his/her own. Long live the Kings and Princesses,...for that matter,...the Queens and Princes also.

(JMHO)

 

[Ebonyfire]

do you lie back and expect your sub to do all the work?

Sometimes.

Do you refuse to engage on an emotional level and tell him/her they're topping from below if they want to discuss things?

I spend hours and hours interviewing and getting to know my subs before anything happens. I do not have relatonships with female subs so I cannot speak to the Dom/femsub dynamic.

But as far as my experience with male subs, I believe that engaging him on an emotional level is not always needed or desired. He does not want a girlfriend he wants a Domme.


do you get them to do crap household tasks not on a power exchange level but because you cant be arsed to do them yourself?

What is a "power exchange level?" My subs obey me. If I ask them to do crap household task they do them. My motives are not relevant or even an issue. They CHOOSE to serve Me. They know they have a choice, the door or obedience.

but is there a flip to the pillow princess coin?

I do not know. I choose my subs carefully, so I ensure that I get what I want. In return the sub gets what he needs. thi sis simplified greatly but I am tired of typing.

Eb

 

[zipman]

1) No
2) No and
3) No

But I'm sure there is a flip side. My experience in life is that there is usually a flip-side to everything.

 

[Shadowsdream]

I can do My own housework in half the time, twice as good and with no stress or responsibility of turning the tasks into an experience rather than a simple function. I believe that asking these mundane tasks of the ones I train or own gives them an opportunity to show obedience and pride in pleasing Me in even the most mundane way. I do not say scrub the floor and then forget about the sub...I wander in and out making the task more than it really is by creating some discomfort..perhaps a smack with the crop..pointing out a missed spot with indignation or running My expert hands over their bodies...just because I can.

Communication never stops. All questions and problems are addressed and faced on both sides. Adjustments are made if they show a VALID extension of growth. But you can bet your ass if it is Topping from the bottom My wrath will be inescapable. I deplore that dishonesty and it will not last long before there is a door hitting someone in the ass.

Yes there is a flip side to the Pillow Princess it is called the Pretend Dom/me. Ok Ok OK I made up the name but it is valid in My opinion.

 

[tassie]

thank you everyone.

especially shadowsdream, i was trying to refine what i meant in my head before i posted it and you did it for me. scrubbing the floor while the Dom forgets about the sub is what i meant, the way you do it makes me want to scrub your floor myself damn it!

 

[Shadowsdream]

tassie

naked in cuffs and collar enduring the remote control panties?

 

[WillowPuss]

tassie

naked in cuffs and collar enduring the remote control panties?

butting in ....

excuse me ... how many floors do you have?

 

[tassie]

sod off willow this ones mine

 

[Shadowsdream]

and a cute butt it is!

I can accomodate 6 little subbies but of course I will dress you slightly differently..you little beast ,will be in the small spreader bars with the training collar and dangling leash...Keep alert I will be the one surveying with the wooden paddle close at hand!

 

[Shadowsdream]

tassie will be in the alpha sub position...which also means she will be under the tightest control with those magic panties bringing her to My feet with a touch of the button.

 

[tassie]

mistress that would be wonderful. maybe willow and i could get some sort of 2 for 1 flights from the uk together!

see you at gatwick willow!

 

[Shadowsdream]

now that does sound like a lovely idea...I can envision so many tasks...so many toys...OMG now My Domly mind is in over drive!

 

[Desdemona]

Shadows, I'm suddenly feeling the urge to do housework. May I volunteer to be #3?

 

[Ebonyfire]

sod off willow this ones mine

Oh tas, you almost had me spewing water all over this keyboard!

lol

Eb

 

[Ebonyfire]

thank you everyone.

especially shadowsdream, i was trying to refine what i meant in my head before i posted it and you did it for me. scrubbing the floor while the Dom forgets about the sub is what i meant, the way you do it makes me want to scrub your floor myself damn it!

It is awfully hard to forget a sub who looks so delectible naked in CBT or chastity or buttplug, going merrily about his tasks.

Eb

 

[Ebonyfire]

I can do My own housework in half the time, twice as good and with no stress or responsibility of turning the tasks into an experience rather than a simple function. I believe that asking these mundane tasks of the ones I train or own gives them an opportunity to show obedience and pride in pleasing Me in even the most mundane way. I do not say scrub the floor and then forget about the sub...I wander in and out making the task more than it really is by creating some discomfort..perhaps a smack with the crop..pointing out a missed spot with indignation or running My expert hands over their bodies...just because I can.

Communication never stops. All questions and problems are addressed and faced on both sides. Adjustments are made if they show a VALID extension of growth. But you can bet your ass if it is Topping from the bottom My wrath will be inescapable. I deplore that dishonesty and it will not last long before there is a door hitting someone in the ass.

Yes there is a flip side to the Pillow Princess it is called the Pretend Dom/me. Ok Ok OK I made up the name but it is valid in My opinion.

I hate housework. Always have, always will.

Eb

 

[Hecate]

pssssss ... I have floors too ... and a kitchen that needs cleaning ... and then there need meals to be cooked and served *s* and should I ever get that fantasy cage of mine that will have loads of bars that need polishing *g* inside and out ....

Kidding aside... I just a while ago posted on the pillow princess thread - so I guess it is only fair I do so here too.

What Shadowsdream said is perfectly valid, as much as what Ebonyfire said. I do hate housework - but in fact if I do it myself I will have it done as quickly or faster exactly to my liking as anyone else and without the additional "task" of making it into something "special". So it is not so much a matter of using a sub to save a housekeeper so to speak, if it were indeed simply for the work to be done I'd rather pay someone and that is it - quick and easy, no strings attached.

Since I think this has been discussed to an extend where I do not have anything substantial to add, let me throw in another interesting (at least from my pov) point I am curious about....

If - as I understand - the pillow princess is seeking the passive, lazy "do me" side of affairs (in a tie me up and spoil me rotten by orgasm after orgasm where I do nothing and it is your Domly duty to make me whimper and cry out in pleasure" sort of way), would it be then that the mattress mistress is just kicking back on the bed and tells the subbie to take care of her?

 

[Ebonyfire]

If - as I understand - the pillow princess is seeking the passive, lazy "do me" side of affairs (in a tie me up and spoil me rotten by orgasm after orgasm where I do nothing and it is your Domly duty to make me whimper and cry out in pleasure" sort of way), would it be then that the mattress mistress is just kicking back on the bed and tells the subbie to take care of her?

Yes, like the Marie Antoinette School of Domination "Our motto, let them eat cake!" As she sits and eats bon bons all day!

Eb

 

[WillowPuss]

pssssss ... I have floors too ... and a kitchen that needs cleaning ... and then there need meals to be cooked and served *s* and should I ever get that fantasy cage of mine that will have loads of bars that need polishing *g* inside and out ....

Hmmmmmm ... well, we fem subs will just have to do a grand European tour it seems - have mop, will travel!

 

[Shadowsdream]

Des

your place is waiting...It is a good thing that I have so much equipment. The cute little see through french maids uniform with that naked butt wiggling across My floor...O did I mention I would be walking by to torment you with the finger vibrator to the clit now and then?

 

[Shadowsdream]

Hecate...

In fact I have spoken with several subs that I have trained about this Mattress Mistress type of personality. It has become fairly pervasive online. A good place to pick up a sub to clean up the home for free...pay for holidays...buy all the dreamed of clothes...and get lots of vanilla sex. Nothing in return except collaring and a new name...slave. Online moves to real time almost instantly.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Hecate...

In fact I have spoken with several subs that I have trained about this Mattress Mistress type of personality. It has become fairly pervasive online. A good place to pick up a sub to clean up the home for free...pay for holidays...buy all the dreamed of clothes...and get lots of vanilla sex. Nothing in return except collaring and a new name...slave. Online moves to real time almost instantly.

I have the same experiences, and in fact have spoken to one of these. We have a mutual friend, and I heard from him that she does not like me very much. I am afraid she pissed me off from the first time we chatted because it was always the men who were the problem. She never took responsibility for her role in any fiascoes.

Eb