Are there any strippers or former strippers here?

[Dirty Kitten]

I'm writing a story where one of my characters is a former stripper. Having never been to a strip club myself, I'm having a little difficulty writing this part and knowing what I can realistically get away with.

So...

If I take my girl character and have her pull my other girl character over to a somewhat dark section of the bar and kiss her and then dance with her a little, would they immediately be thrown out?

Also, hypothetically, if she had worked there in the past and was still on friendly terms, could she get away with pulling my other character into the lap dance section?

Thanks!

 

[rgraham666]

I'm writing a story where one of my characters is a former stripper. Having never been to a strip club myself, I'm having a little difficulty writing this part and knowing what I can realistically get away with.

So...

If I take my girl character and have her pull my other girl character over to a somewhat dark section of the bar and kiss her and then dance with her a little, would they immediately be thrown out?

Also, hypothetically, if she had worked there in the past and was still on friendly terms, could she get away with pulling my other character into the lap dance section?

Thanks!

Having spent a fair bit of time in strip bars, I'd say it depends.

If both are 'in uniform' and they're seen by management they'll probably get booted. They're supposed to be working.

If one is a customer (you do occasionally see women customers in strip bars) they'd have to be very careful. Really intimate actions such as deep tongue kissing, petting the peeler's tits or pussy would get the customer thrown out and the girl fired. There's a lot of laws about 'lewd behaviour'. Also it might give other customers the wrong idea about what they could do with the women working at the club.

In the lap dance section, things might change a little. It depends on how private the private area is and how much the bouncers are willing to let the women get away with. If what they do is too much in the public eye, the women will get in trouble.

Try reading my story The Tease. It has, in my opinion, an excellent scene of a stripper lap dancing for another woman in it. It should show you just how close actions can be done without crossing a line. Remember this scene is based on Ontario laws, which I believe are quite a bit looser than those in most of the U.S.

Hope that helps.

 

[3113]

Remember this scene is based on Ontario laws, which I believe are quite a bit looser than those in most of the U.S.

Yeah, U.S. laws about strip clubs are pretty crazy, and they vary state-to-state--where the strip club can be, whether it can sell alchohol, what can/can't be touched, etc.

When in doubt, always set it in Vegas

Of course, if the story is more of a stroke story, then you could make the strip club your "fantasy" club in your fantasy city (with it's very lax laws) rather than anything too real.

 

[3113]

Having spent a fair bit of time in strip bars

you were a stripper?!?

 

[rgraham666]

you were a stripper?!?

Not saying.

Actually, as a customer. For someone as socially maladapted as me, it's a good outlet. Expensive though.

I made friends with some of the women. Like everybody else they cover a large range of personalities. I'm still friends with a couple of them though I no longer go to the clubs nor they work in them.

 

[angelicminx]

There's a couple's club in Lexington that employs strippers. The only thing you can't do is engage in oral sex or intercourse. Hmm... I don't think you can finger fuck either, but I'm not sure. First time is a warning, second time is the boot. If you come back another time and do it all over again it's a permanent boot.

For 'standard' strip clubs, I don't know. I've been to only one, and they got pretty friendly there.

 

[Dirty Kitten]

Rgraham, I will check out the story when I get done writing mine. I'm always too afraid that something will stick and be too close to plagerism but thanks for suggesting it.

3113, the story is actually set in Vegas! So that's good Does that mean I can get away with more? lol...

I always realize after I post something that I've left out a bunch of "need to know" things.

I forgot to mention that both the girls are actually customers. One of them is a former stripper and she wants to get the other one all hot and bothered before going back to the hotel. I was wondering if, as a former stripper who worked at the location I've brought them too (or is at least on a friendly basis with the people that work there) would she be able to get away with a few things for a few minutes.

Or are the laws such that she wouldn't even try.

This story is getting very complicated. LOL...

 

[rgraham666]

Rgraham, I will check out the story when I get done writing mine. I'm always too afraid that something will stick and be too close to plagerism but thanks for suggesting it.

3113, the story is actually set in Vegas! So that's good Does that mean I can get away with more? lol...

I always realize after I post something that I've left out a bunch of "need to know" things.

I forgot to mention that both the girls are actually customers. One of them is a former stripper and she wants to get the other one all hot and bothered before going back to the hotel. I was wondering if, as a former stripper who worked at the location I've brought them too (or is at least on a friendly basis with the people that work there) would she be able to get away with a few things for a few minutes.

Or are the laws such that she wouldn't even try.

This story is getting very complicated. LOL...

In this case the fact that one of them is a former stripper is irrelevant in my opinion. It would just be as if she was teasing the other woman in any other venue.

The lap dance area wouldn't be available in this case. Only the girls working there can use it. I suppose the former stripper might have an 'understanding' with the management where she could use it. She'd probably have to 'get in uniform' though. And pay the fee to the management to work for that short time.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Dirty Kitten,
This is fiction. You can write anything as long of there is some semblence of reality. Would they get booted? In real life - probably. In fiction - only if you want them too.

 

[3113]

3113, the story is actually set in Vegas! So that's good Does that mean I can get away with more?

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas

But I think you might want to move it. This from November 2006:

Lap Dances Banned in Las Vegas

The Nevada Supreme Court has overruled a lower court to uphold a city ordinance banning lap dances. This seems to have caught everyone by surprise. According to the Review-Journal : "In the decision, Justice Nancy Becker said the city ordinance was intended to prohibit lap dances." City attorney Brad Jerbic is now facing the horror of that reality for the local economy. Though Jerbic won the case he seems to disagree with his victory telling the Review-Journal: "The ordinance never banned lap dances." It only (if you check the offences the dancers performed in the case) bans rubbing your butt on man's lap or putting your boobs in his face. Isn't that exactly what a lap dance is? Whatever, but that is the point: all of this is in the interpretation. So the good will of police and not the language of the law is what Jerbic is expecting people to trust here. But ACLU of Nevada general counsel Allen Lichentein in the article notes that "if he had a client who was a stripper, he would advise her that lap dancing is illegal in city limits." And, if I had a friend who wanted to go to a strip club in Las Vegas and as advice for you LA tourists who are thinking about it: customers can be cited as well. Not that this is likely to happen. But if you get a lap dance in Las Vegas right now you are clearly entering a gray area of the law and it is interesting how this will play out. Off the top of my head, among the popular clubs that are impacted: Crazy Horse Too, Olympic Garden, and Treasurers. When I just now called Treasures to confirm they were in the city the woman who answered the phone wasn't sure at first and had to check. Someone from Scores is looking into the same question and is going to call me back. That difference as of now is very significant.

You see, many strip clubs (Saphire, Seamless and Sin for example) fall outside city limits, and those outside the city aren't affected, because they fall under county ordinances. (There are rare exceptions like Palomino which is covered by yet another entity, the city of North Las Vegas). The county has a much more focused yet permissive set of lap dance rules. Some are odd: don't let a stripper touch your feet! But, in general, the county allows legal lap dances. The last time the county commissioners messed with those rules a few wound up convicted of felonies; so the current county rules seems likely to remain more liberal than the city's ordinance and less enforced. I wonder if the economic interests of the city strip clubs will get the ordinance changed. I wonder if dancers at city clubs will be warned about this new jeopardy. I will have much more on this story on Monday including a list of which clubs land where on the map. But, for now, when it comes to a lap dance in Las Vegas let the buyer (and, seller) beware.

 

[Dirty Kitten]

In this case the fact that one of them is a former stripper is irrelevant in my opinion. It would just be as if she was teasing the other woman in any other venue.

The lap dance area wouldn't be available in this case. Only the girls working there can use it. I suppose the former stripper might have an 'understanding' with the management where she could use it. She'd probably have to 'get in uniform' though. And pay the fee to the management to work for that short time.

Thank you! That's what I wondered. I'm at a transitioning point where I could take it two places and wanted to know which was more realistic. This helped a great deal.

3113, Holy Cow! And here I thought it was the City of Sin. (lol... course, I have been known to confuse things) That's incredibly important to know. Thanks!

Hi Jenny I know, I know, and in the end I usually resort to doing that, but when writing something I research it to death so that I can make sure that I haven't hit the bounds of "okay, totally unrealistic". *sigh* I think it's part of the obsessive in OCD.

 

[3113]

T3113, Holy Cow! And here I thought it was the City of Sin. (lol... course, I have been known to confuse things) That's incredibly important to know. Thanks!

Maybe the city is trying to keep people gambling rather than, er, lap dancing?

 

[slyc_willie]

Here in Texas, there are laws that say strippers have to be three feet away when giving a lap dance . . . the places I've been to, that's practically never observed. Most 'gentleman's clubs' have little booths or back rooms where the dancers take customers for dances. Pretty much anything goes if the girl is in the mood. Everything from full-body contact to nipple sucking, fingering and even a handjob or blowjob has been known to happen.

Technically, girls would get booted out or even arrested for doing such things. But that's only if they're caught. It's one of those things where everybody knows about it, but until it gets splashed on the ten o'clock news, it stays in the dark.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Pretty much anything goes if the girl is in the mood. Everything from full-body contact to nipple sucking, fingering and even a handjob or blowjob has been known to happen.

Hmmmmmm .... have you experienced these things first hand?

 

[slyc_willie]

Hmmmmmm .... have you experienced these things first hand?

Er . . . yep

But it's been a while *sigh*

 

[jomar]

So where are the Lit strippers? All we got weighing in are guys. C'mon, I'll tell you about my Chippendale days if you fess up.

 

[3113]

C'mon, I'll tell you about my Chippendale days if you fess up.

*Perk*

Settling in to listen

 

[kendo1]

Ah've been known tae lift ma kilt on a few occassions.

 

[R. Richard]

I'm writing a story where one of my characters is a former stripper. Having never been to a strip club myself, I'm having a little difficulty writing this part and knowing what I can realistically get away with.

So...

If I take my girl character and have her pull my other girl character over to a somewhat dark section of the bar and kiss her and then dance with her a little, would they immediately be thrown out?

Also, hypothetically, if she had worked there in the past and was still on friendly terms, could she get away with pulling my other character into the lap dance section?

Thanks!

I have never been a stripper. However, I used to own a night club.

First, most strip bars don't have a dance floor, except for the stages the strippers use. If there were room for a dance floor, there would be tables there unless the manager is an idiot or the local regs require so much open space.

Unless your main character was 'in uniform,' there is no way she gets into the lap dance area. You are thinking about sex, the club is thnking about money. Wgeb a stripper takes a guy into the lap dance area it is not about fun, it is about money and the club gets its cut. Even if your character is 'in uniform' she doesn't make it into the lap dance area unless she is with one of the 'working girls.' The club knows who goes into the lap dance areas, as a matter of accounting concern.

If you want your characters to go into the back room with a stripper, each of them would have to hire a stripper.

By the way, there are damn few strippers still working. Most of the 'stripppers' who work in the bars are dancers. They dance until the song is over and then they take off something, then they dance to the next song. A real stripper teases off clothing during the dance and it takes a lot of skill to do it well. The average strip bar could not afford a real stripper.

 

[3113]

By the way, there are damn few strippers still working. Most of the 'stripppers' who work in the bars are dancers. They dance until the song is over and then they take off something, then they dance to the next song. A real stripper teases off clothing during the dance and it takes a lot of skill to do it well. The average strip bar could not afford a real stripper.

Interesting point. As a matter of opinion--and we'll let anyone chime in on this--do you feel that real strippers vanished because it took a lot of skill and it was just easier to make the money with quick-and-dirty dancers (and more dancers out there anyway...)

i.e. did stripping vanish because of cheaper (though poor quality) competition?

OR

Do you feel that stripping, like other artforms, had its popularity during a certain time period and when it was over, it was over. Putting it another way, any artform needs an audience that properly appreciates it, and if that audience either ages and dies, or just loses interest, than the artform dies, there being no incentive for younger performers to learn it. Is this what happened to stripping?

If so, what was it about that particular time period (the golden age of stripping) that made strippers such a popular artform? And why didn't they last?

 

[Huckleman2000]

Interesting point. As a matter of opinion--and we'll let anyone chime in on this--do you feel that real strippers vanished because it took a lot of skill and it was just easier to make the money with quick-and-dirty dancers (and more dancers out there anyway...)

i.e. did stripping vanish because of cheaper (though poor quality) competition?

OR

Do you feel that stripping, like other artforms, had its popularity during a certain time period and when it was over, it was over. Putting it another way, any artform needs an audience that properly appreciates it, and if that audience either ages and dies, or just loses interest, than the artform dies, there being no incentive for younger performers to learn it. Is this what happened to stripping?

If so, what was it about that particular time period (the golden age of stripping) that made strippers such a popular artform? And why didn't they last?

When it was art, it was called Burlesque .

Incidentally, in last November's election, the good citizens of Seattle voted down a referendum that would have banned lap dances. There are some areas, apparently, the government just doesn't belong.

 

[R. Richard]

If you talk to real strippers, they will tell you that the art of stripping died when nude dancing started. Even when a stripper stripped to nude, she did so only at the end of her dances. The nudity was a sort of punctuation of a longish dance act. Then, the younger, less skilled girls found that they could dance onto the stage and dump their laundry, then just dance in the nude. After a while, the younger, less skilled girls won. [Not necessarily my opinion, but that of the strippers.]

 

[3113]

[Not necessarily my opinion, but that of the strippers.]

Well, what is *your* opinion? I'm honestly curious here.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Well, what is *your* opinion? I'm honestly curious here.

I haven't been in a strip club since about 1982, but I recall that the quality of the entertainment varied greatly. Some of the girls were saucy and flirty, some were kind of cold, some just didn't dance very well. This was still the pre-lapdance era, though. Hell, who am I kidding - it was pre-Flashdance!

 

[jomar]

I'm writing a story where one of my characters is a former stripper. Having never been to a strip club myself, I'm having a little difficulty writing this part and knowing what I can realistically get away with.

So...

If I take my girl character and have her pull my other girl character over to a somewhat dark section of the bar and kiss her and then dance with her a little, would they immediately be thrown out?

Also, hypothetically, if she had worked there in the past and was still on friendly terms, could she get away with pulling my other character into the lap dance section?

Thanks!

I'm for your ladies doing whatever you want them too, maybe the owner pays off the creepy beat cop.

But, since none of the current or former strippers at Lit are responding, this may be a resource. It's an HBO special called G-String Divas - good documentary.

http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/divas/

And here's another HBO special on burlesque called Pretty Things. I haven't seen this one.


http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/prettythings/index.html