are the Democrats dead?

[brokenbrainwave]

This is not intended to pile on this morning as a couple other members are choosing to do. Its a valid question. Have they lost touch with the average American? Look at their agenda and one can argue with much vigor, yes and probably be correct.

I am not espousing the Republican way is better but this is the third time in 8 years when they for lack of a better term kicked some serious liberal ass. I am including Bush in kicking serious ass a couple of years back. Look inside the numbers over and beyond the general vote count, which was skewered by a couple of larger states the went largerly Gore.

I have been on record as stating I dont give a damn about either party so, once again, this is not piling on the defeated ones. However the quesion must be asked, are the Dems dead? Dachelle's career is flat over after this way to close SD election. Gore, puh-lease, this guy could not carry his home state OR manage to beat what was then a wounded candidate. Hillary has way too much baggage to do much on the national scene. On the surface yes they appear to be dying a slow painful death. Too fucking bad the republicans cant join them in this.

 

[sunstruck]

Jesus.

Democrat does not = Liberal.

This year is more proof to me than ever that a two party system simply doesn't work anymore.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

sorry sunny, but yes democrat=liberal. It is a generalization that works.

 

[SINthysist]

I've been saying they were dead for some time now.

It's not piling on. It's having a bit of fun with it.

Politics ain't beanbag.

I think the American Public had to shout out the message of 2000 a little bit louder because the Democratic Party refused to listen to the message when Algore failed so miserably. And that is because the Clinton's simply do not want to hear the message nor do the truly care about the American People. Just getting elected. They have bankrupted the Party by insisting on Campaign Finance Reform which will hurt them in subsequent election cycles.

And in a way, this can be all laid at the feet of Jim Jeffords. He put Dashle in a position to become so repugnant to the American Public that they put the Senate back into the hands of the other Party. If Jeffords had not have jumped, in hindsight, the Democrats would have been in the stronger position and had more valid issues that if he had stayed on the reservation.

 

[SINthysist]

I agree. Democrat = Liberal + What's left of the Blue collar workers, a conservative, but shrinking lot, and the white-colar union workers who are increasingly more interested in their 401K's than saving the world.

That's why the Party will have a spilt before thay can become stronger.

 

[Spinaroonie]

I am not espousing the Republican way is better but this is the third time in 8 years when they for lack of a better term kicked some serious liberal ass.

1998
0 Change in Senate
+5 Democratic seats in House.

Oh yeah, kicking ass that year!!!!!11112

 

[lavender]

 

[brokenbrainwave]

she may have misunderstood it on that level AJ. I was refering more to the leadership than on the local level. Nice point about the shrinking blue collar union vote.

Look at Georgia, they toss out a one term Dem Gov. that I thought was doing a decent job, AND an incumbent Dem Senator. There is no "southern democrat" left, the conservative wing of this party. Infiltrated by more and more socialistic ideals have driven this sect to the republicans. Big mistake, huge blunder, its as if they gave up on this powerful voting block when they choose Reagan over Carter.

 

[sunstruck]

sorry sunny, but yes democrat=liberal. It is a generalization that works.

Well then, we can just eliminate liberatarians, being redundant as they are.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

Re: Re: are the Democrats dead?

1998
0 Change in Senate
+5 Democratic seats in House.

Oh yeah, kicking ass that year!!!!!11112

hence that is why I said three times in eight years. Did you forget there are elections every two years?

Dont hate the messenger, just hate the message

Lavy, yes trends seem to cycle but this one is odd. Can this really be dated back to the eighties save for Clintons two victories?

 

[brokenbrainwave]

Well then, we can just eliminate liberatarians, being redundant as they are.

once again, I was refering more to the National Agenda level as opposed to the local everyday Joe six pack.

 

[SINthysist]

Hey, we woke up to our SECOND Democratic Woman Govenor. She ran as a Moderate Republican 'cause the Republican was WAY OUT to the right...

She'll regret wining. The State budget is in a shambles and without a miracle, this Republican State is going to put it on her shoulders and give her the blame for the next year or more.

 

[weed]

Lavender's right. It's a cycle. Things will get too skewed, people will get concerned about the imbalance and the scales will turn.

Change can be a good thing in many ways. Even change within the Dem Party.

 

[RawHumor]

It IS a cycle, but rarely does a sitting President's party GAIN power in a mid-term election.

Someday, maybe Republicans will run as conservatives and Democrates will run as liberals and we'll all get to see some true colors before the election, rather than everyone fighting over who is more centrist. Okay, probably not.

 

[weed]

lol....isn't that a cycle, too?

 

[zipman]

This is not intended to pile on this morning as a couple other members are choosing to do. Its a valid question. Have they lost touch with the average American? Look at their agenda and one can argue with much vigor, yes and probably be correct.

I am not espousing the Republican way is better but this is the third time in 8 years when they for lack of a better term kicked some serious liberal ass. I am including Bush in kicking serious ass a couple of years back. Look inside the numbers over and beyond the general vote count, which was skewered by a couple of larger states the went largerly Gore.

I have been on record as stating I dont give a damn about either party so, once again, this is not piling on the defeated ones. However the quesion must be asked, are the Dems dead? Dachelle's career is flat over after this way to close SD election. Gore, puh-lease, this guy could not carry his home state OR manage to beat what was then a wounded candidate. Hillary has way too much baggage to do much on the national scene. On the surface yes they appear to be dying a slow painful death. Too fucking bad the republicans cant join them in this.

I think this is a great post and reflects the real problem with the Democratic party. For the record, I vote independent of party politics, I will support the people but not either party.

I think the Democratic party has lost touch with the people. The senior organizing principle of the party is that it is anti-republican which is not what people want to hear. Clinton blurred the lines by embracing big business during his tenure in office.

On CNN this morning, they gave a quote that I believe was attributed to Eisenhower which went like this, "When a political party ceases to be about principles, they become a conspiracy to steal power." The democratic party has put up some horrible candidates and think people will vote for them simply based on the fact that they are democrats. I think a lot of people have voted republican simply because they just couldn't bring themselves to support the democratic candidates.

 

[bknight2602]

No the Democratic party is not dead. The pendulum of power always sways back and forth!

 

[Purple Haze]

The Democratic Party fucked themselves.

Clinton was the first Democrat to be elected to a second term since FDR, and though he was labeled a liberal, (exactly when did that become a dirty word?) his record looks very moderate, even conservative in hindsight. The major changes he promised his constituents never happened, even with a second term, which should give a president free reign to go his own way without the concern for re-election. As it turns out, he didn't really push the envelope like he could've, and the last couple of years of his administration were pretty much ruined by scandal, making him ineffective anyway.

I don't remember too many people from his party willing to stand behind him during the blow job witch hunt, the impeachment in search of a high crime. He didn't even stand up for himself during that time. No one dared voice the outrage many Americans felt about our government wasting so much time and money ruthlessly investigating sexual activity. The rest of the free world stared with dropped jaws. This period in our nation's history will go down as one of it's darkest in my opinion. The republicans, democrats and the media took turns spreading their cheeks and showing the rest of us their brown star. Al Gore's shoe-in to the Oval Office was ruined, and I can only imagine the words he had for Bill. At this point the republicans could nominate Howdy Doody to run against Al, and he wouldn't have had to rig the election.

So there you have it, a party without backbone. I'm sure Bush is thanking heaven for nine eleven, he was seemingly destined to be a one term shlub like his father. He's ridden the fear wave quite well, and even democrats have jumped on for the ride.

Domestic policies have little importance anymore, and as long as we're kicking someone's ass on the other side of the world, it's okay that our own hungry and homeless go without, and medical care is only for the affluent.

And Hillary is going to save the day?

 

[brokenbrainwave]

excellent post PH, well done sir.

 

[RawHumor]

and medical care is only for the affluent.

I never thought of myself as affluent.

I feel much better now though.

 

[teddybear4play]

Clinton was the first Democrat to be elected to a second term since FDR, and though he was labeled a liberal, (exactly when did that become a dirty word?) his record looks very moderate, even conservative in hindsight.

Depends on what part of his term you're looking at.

After promising middle-class tax cuts to get elected, he turned around and laid down a tax hike (just three years after the most recent one). Even with a clear majority in both houses of Congress, he needed Al Gore to break the tie because six Democratic senators voted against it.

Then he tried to ramrod through a national health-care system set up by his wife. That failed, again, even with a Congress of his own party.

When America finally had a referendum on the liberalism of Clinton's first two years, they basically bitchslapped him. Clinton camped out in the center permanently after that. Had he not, he would have been express-mailed back to Arkansas with the bootprint of America on his Arkans-ass.

I don't remember too many people from his party willing to stand behind him during the blow job witch hunt, the impeachment in search of a high crime. He didn't even stand up for himself during that time. No one dared voice the outrage many Americans felt about our government wasting so much time and money ruthlessly investigating sexual activity.

Well, obviously, someone stood up for him, considering the removal vote wasn't even close.

And I don't know what TV you were watching, but every day I saw an army of Democrats defending him.

So there you have it, a party without backbone. I'm sure Bush is thanking heaven for nine eleven, he was seemingly destined to be a one term shlub like his father. He's ridden the fear wave quite well, and even democrats have jumped on for the ride.

It's tough to say what would have happened if September 11 had not occurred. It would have all come down to what the economy did, and we can't just assume it would be the same as it is now.

Domestic policies have little importance anymore, and as long as we're kicking someone's ass on the other side of the world, it's okay that our own hungry and homeless go without, and medical care is only for the affluent.

George H.W. Bush was defeated for reelection because he was perceived to be paying too much attention to foreign politics and not enough on the domestic side. The Democrats had a solid backdrop, but they couldn't capitalize on it. First off, because the economic news wavers between good and bad, and second off, nobody will simply assign blame to Bush for the bad economy, with the way the world is right now. Voters saw past whatever the Democrats threw against the wall there.

TB4p

 

[Problem Child]

The Democratic Party fucked themselves.

Clinton was the first Democrat to be elected to a second term since FDR, and though he was labeled a liberal, (exactly when did that become a dirty word?) his record looks very moderate, even conservative in hindsight. The major changes he promised his constituents never happened, even with a second term, which should give a president free reign to go his own way without the concern for re-election. As it turns out, he didn't really push the envelope like he could've, and the last couple of years of his administration were pretty much ruined by scandal, making him ineffective anyway.

I don't remember too many people from his party willing to stand behind him during the blow job witch hunt, the impeachment in search of a high crime. He didn't even stand up for himself during that time. No one dared voice the outrage many Americans felt about our government wasting so much time and money ruthlessly investigating sexual activity. The rest of the free world stared with dropped jaws. This period in our nation's history will go down as one of it's darkest in my opinion. The republicans, democrats and the media took turns spreading their cheeks and showing the rest of us their brown star. Al Gore's shoe-in to the Oval Office was ruined, and I can only imagine the words he had for Bill. At this point the republicans could nominate Howdy Doody to run against Al, and he wouldn't have had to rig the election.

So there you have it, a party without backbone. I'm sure Bush is thanking heaven for nine eleven, he was seemingly destined to be a one term shlub like his father. He's ridden the fear wave quite well, and even democrats have jumped on for the ride.

Domestic policies have little importance anymore, and as long as we're kicking someone's ass on the other side of the world, it's okay that our own hungry and homeless go without, and medical care is only for the affluent.

And Hillary is going to save the day?

Well done, I agree. Don't agree with all of it (or even most), but well said.

 

[lavender]

 

[Problem Child]

Put down the pom poms and pull out the ammo. You're scaring us all.

Don't worry, this guy is still my president...

 

[RawHumor]

Fascist.