Are Joe Biden's presidential hopes dead?

[icanhelp1]

So, maybe it could still be successful if the Republicans or the administration (they don't seem to be the same thing) actually work up a plan around it. Actually work up a plan. Actually have a plan. Actually even start having a plan. After all this time of not bothering to even trying to have a plan.

Do you ever come to the table with legitimate fact. Your revisionist history just distorts everything. Don't you remember that at the inception of ACA not one republican was in the loop. They disregarded any republican input and shoved it down our throats. Don't you remember those famous words from Nancy " WE HAVE TO PASS IT TO SEE WHAT'S IN IT" the equivalent of walking through a mine field with earmuffs on.

 

[phrodeau]

Do you ever come to the table with legitimate fact. Your revisionist history just distorts everything. Don't you remember that at the inception of ACA not one republican was in the loop. They disregarded any republican input and shoved it down our throats. Don't you remember those famous words from Nancy " WE HAVE TO PASS IT TO SEE WHAT'S IN IT" the equivalent of walking through a mine field with earmuffs on.

You are wrong at every turn, and the quote isn’t real.

 

[dan_c00000]

Wait a second, Dan

I'm not going to keep explaining recent history to you. I'm just going to quote relevant sources and provide links so you can read them for yourself. Perhaps, you'll realize what a racist asshole you are. I'm guessing you aren't capable of that so I suggest you have your mom read them to you or something.

"It [The Affordable Care Act] represented not novelty, but a somewhat more redistributionist update of the of the health care reform signed into law in Massachusetts by Governor Mitt Romney and originally sketched at the Conservative Heritage Foundation in the mid-1990s, as a Republican alternative to the health care plan offered by the Clinton administration."

Trumpocracy by David Frum pgs. 10-11

 

[icanhelp1]

You are wrong at every turn, and the quote isn’t real.

Let me correct the record since you're playing chicken shit

" we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"

 

[icanhelp1]

I'm not going to keep explaining recent history to you. I'm just going to quote relevant sources and provide links so you can read them for yourself. Perhaps, you'll realize what a racist asshole you are. I'm guessing you aren't capable of that so I suggest you have your mom read them to you or something.

"It [The Affordable Care Act] represented not novelty, but a somewhat more redistributionist update of the of the health care reform signed into law in Massachusetts by Governor Mitt Romney and originally sketched at the Conservative Heritage Foundation in the mid-1990s, as a Republican alternative to the health care plan offered by the Clinton administration."

Trumpocracy by David Frum pgs. 10-11

Does anyone fully understand healthcare? The ACA did try to mirror the Massachusetts model but a state run system has a lot more flexibility to adapt to it's constituency than the federal government. I'm no expert, but I don't think the ACA can work with the present model but I do believe it can be improved if most of the administrative responsibilities are handed down to the states and are tailored to their unique situation and needs. The ACA is the first step toward the single payer system which will never pass legislation. There are millions of americans who are very happy with their insurance and to deprive them of their present care would be political suicide. Bernie Sanders may have a cult following but will never get even close to the white house lawn never mind the white house. I think making medicare available for those less fortunate and the government picking up the tab for pre-existing conditions may be something americans would be willing to consider. Big pharma also needs to be held accountable but not over regulated for fear of diminishing research and development. I've done a lot of research on this topic and the more I read the more confused it becomes. If you take away the entrepreneurship of medical professionals eventually that will become substandard. People will not choose that career field after doing the cost/ benefit analysis. Torte law needs to be revised to minimize frivolous lawsuits. Perhaps establishing healthcare savings plans with tax shelters, something on the idea of a 401k for medical. I know one thing we can't solve it on LIT, and I don't think calling someone a racist asshole works either.

 

[phrodeau]

Let me correct the record since you're playing chicken shit

" we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"

Which gives the lie to your mine-field-with-earmuffs line.

 

[dan_c00000]

Does anyone fully understand healthcare?

Yes.

but a state run system has a lot more flexibility to adapt to it's constituency than the federal government.

The ACA healthcare exchanges ARE state-run, except for those (mostly red states) that refused to setup exchanges and are run by the federal government. You can read about all that here.

I'm no expert

Clearly.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "It was 1991 and there were 56 Democratic senators then. Seriously, do you even know how to use Google? And I have yet to hear the first opponent of that war express regret."

Thank you for the correction. I was trying to remember the numbers without actually looking them up. The actual vote in favor of ejecting Saddam's army from Kuwait was 52-47 in favor. 42-Republicans voted YES, with two no-votes. 45-Democrats voted against forcing Saddam to exit Kuwait, while ten voted YES! One of those Democrats voting "yes" was Richard Shelby of Alabama, who soon after switched parties and is today a Republican U.S. Senator!

dan_c00000 writes: "It [The Affordable Care Act] represented not novelty, but a somewhat more redistributionist update of the of the health care reform signed into law in Massachusetts by Governor Mitt Romney"

The modern Democratic Party is apparently FILLED with people who now seemingly wish that they'd voted for John McCain in 2008, and wish that they'd supported Mitt Romney in 2012. It would appear that there's a lot of BUYER'S REMORSE in that party today.

icanhelp1 quotes House Speaker Nancy Pelosi: "we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"

And in 2010, after ObamaCare became law, the Democratic Party suffered MASSIVE losses at the polls, losing 63-House seats & 6-Senate seats as the American people found out just what all the A.C.A. was all about! It returned the legislative branch back to G.O.P. control!

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "And I have yet to hear the first opponent of that war express regret."

Again, only TEN Democrat U.S. Senators voted to use military force to end Saddam Hussein's occupation of Kuwait back in 1991. John Kerry & Joe Biden both voted "NO!" And we had overwhelming United Nations backing for that conflict!

Jump ahead to 2003, and the Iraq War Resolution passed by a 77-23 vote on the eve of President Bush's assault on Saddam Hussein's regime. This time, the Senate Republican approved it by a margin of 48-1 in favor, while the Democrats ALSO supported the war by a margin of 29-21 (with Senators Kerry, Biden, & Hillary Clinton all voting "YES!") Independent Bernie Sanders (a self-described SOCIALIST) said no.

Did Kerry & Biden REGRET their 1991 vote? Did they regret their 2003 flip-flop? It would appear that Senator Kerry certainly did, as he was quoted during his 2004 presidential run as saying of his '03 vote: "I voted for it before I voted against it!"

 

[Dumpington]

RubenR writes: "Was that the war where the backing of the UN was based of the lies that were spread?"

Okay, Ruben... let's look at what you've just now written. Back in the summer of 1990, Saddam Hussein's military occupies the oil-rich nation of Kuwait, and President George H.W. Bush assembles a vast United Nations coalition to forcibly oust the Iraqi Republican Guard from that nation. There is NO DOUBT in anybody's mind that Saddam has brutally violated international law, and now threatens a vital lifeline to the entire world's economic well-being! When President Bush-41 asks the U.S. Senate to okay his use of military force, Senators Kerry & Biden both say NO WAY!

Now let's jump ahead to 2003, with President Bush-43 asking that SAME U.S. Senate for authorization to use military force to oust Saddam from power. As you say, the whole thing is built on lies. Saddam is a decent guy who would NEVER use poison gas against the Kurds, and he still has many supporters within the Democratic Party who would rather not see him pushed him around, right?. So WHY would Senators Kerry & Biden (who both OPPOSED the first Iraq War - Desert Storm), now suddenly join with Senator Hillary Clinton is SUPPORTING Bush's 2003 war resolution?

The very same intelligence community that said that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians in the 2016 election says that Saddam is in possession of WMD's? Do we believe them, or DON'T we? 2004 Democratic Party presidential candidate John Kerry would later say of his 2003 Iraq war vote: "I voted FOR it before I voted AGAINST it!" But, in fact, the reverse is true. He voted AGAINST using military force against Iraq (in 1991) before he voted FOR it (in 2003)!

 

[YDB95]

Dumpington, you do understand that they were two different wars, over a decade apart, with different causes and different circumstances, yes? So it's completely irrelevant that some senators voted no on the first one and yes on the second one. In no way does that mean they regretted their votes against the first war - which, let's be clear, was about freeing one dictatorship from another dictatorship, not to mention the Bush administration had inadvertently given Saddam reason to believe they wouldn't object to his invasion.

And while Kerry's "for it before I was against it" comment was a dumb thing to say politically speaking, it made perfect sense to anyone who knows how Congress works. Not to mention that no Democratic senator ever expressed support for Saddam (except the ones who crossed the aisle to support the Reagan administration when it supported him in the '80s).

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Dumpington, you do understand that they were two different wars, over a decade apart, with different causes and different circumstances, yes?"

Yes, of course I understand that - which is EXACTLY my point!

Common sense would dictate that EVERYBODY in the U.S. Senate would have supported the 1991 U.S.-led ousting of Saddam Hussein's army of occupation from Kuwait! And, according to liberals like yourself, NOBODY should have supported Bush-43's invasion of Iraq in 2003 because (in the opinion of Democrats) Saddam wasn't really so bad, and what's wrong with having another dangerous anti-American tyrant in the middle-east, threatening our Persian Gulf trading partners & Israel?

But the Democrats in the U.S. Senate did it completely ASS-BACKWARDS, overwhelmingly OPPOSING Operation Desert Storm by a 45-10 vote, with both John Kerry & Joe Biden voting no to a thoroughly justified military action to free Kuwait from a brutal Iraqi occupation! But then, twelve years later that same party SUPPORTS the invasion, with both John Kerry AND Joe Biden joining hands with Hillary Clinton in voting FOR Bush-43's 2003 Iraqi War Resolution!

"In no way does that mean they regretted their votes against the first war - which, let's be clear, was about freeing one dictatorship from another dictatorship..."

Okay, if they didn't regret their first war vote, why did they completely FLIP-FLOP with the second war vote? And how can you possibly compare Saddam Hussein's brutal occupation of Kuwait with the monarchy currently ruling in that nation? That's not unlike saying that Hitler's 1939 invasion of Poland was simply replacing one dictatorship with another, and for the people of Poland the whole thing was no big deal.

"And while Kerry's "for it before I was against it" comment was a dumb thing to say politically speaking, it made perfect sense to anyone who knows how Congress works."

It all showed what a gutless fool John Kerry was. Barack Obama's two U.S. Secretaries of State (Hillary Clinton & John Kerry) were both incompetent frauds, who both fully deserved to lose the presidency.

 

[phrodeau]

The Gulf War happened in order to keep the Persian Gulf open for oil tankers.

The Iraq War happened because Saddam Hussein threatened someone’s dad.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "The Gulf War happened in order to keep the Persian Gulf open for oil tankers."

Seriously? Oil tankers? You're now arguing that Saddam Hussein's unprovoked occupation of neighboring Kuwait had NOTHING to do with it? The entire United Nations was backing us in 1991, phrodeau. Dozens of different nations sent troops & tanks to fight alongside the U.S. to free Kuwait.

"The Iraq War happened because Saddam Hussein threatened someone’s dad."

Yeah, according to today's Democratic Party history-writers/revisionists, Saddam Hussein was a swell guy who only slaughtered a small handful of Iraqi's Kurds with poison gas, and he only attacked THREE of his neighbors, unprovoked, in a part of the world that holds an enormous economic interest to the U.S. and to other countries in the industrialized world.

But, if as you suggest, phrodeau, and it was all about Saddam threatening someone's dad, WHY did Joe Biden vote "yes" to that conflict? Was Joe Biden's dad threatened, as well? And do you believe that the anti-war lefties who currently run the Democratic Party will be using this to go after Joe should he run for his party's nomination? I remember Bernie Sanders attacking Hillary over her 2003 Iraq War "yes" vote during the 2016 campaign!

 

[YDB95]

Yeah, according to today's Democratic Party history-writers/revisionists, Saddam Hussein was a swell guy who only slaughtered a small handful of Iraqi's Kurds with poison gas, and he only attacked THREE of his neighbors, unprovoked, in a part of the world that holds an enormous economic interest to the U.S. and to other countries in the industrialized world.

Name one Democrat who said that. Put up or shut up.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Name one Democrat who said that. Put up or shut up."

Okay, you're right. NO Democrat ever said anything nice about Saddam Hussein. They all KNEW that he was a murderous tyrant who wanted to build nukes and destabilize a critical region of the world vital to the economic well-being of our planet.

But those same Democrats DID NOT want to forcibly eject him from Kuwait, either, or make him abide by the terms of the 1991 peace treaty (e.g. violating a peace treaty is considered to be an ACT OF WAR). The Democrats instead wanted to keep Saddam Hussein in power to continue brutalizing his people and threatening his neighbors until he ended-up triggering ANOTHER Persian Gulf conflict down the road.

You know, Adolf Hitler repeatedly violated the Treaty of Versailles in the 1930's, starting with when he re-militarized the Rhineland. But the British & French didn't want to go to war over something so trivial, so they allowed it to slide. Then he annexed Austria... and then demanded the Czech borderlands occupied by German-speaking people, which British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain decided to let him have... after all, who wants to go to war over something so trivial? Like the Senate Democrats were saying in 1991: "We can always solve any differences we have through negotiations!"

 

[icanhelp1]

Yes.



The ACA healthcare exchanges ARE state-run, except for those (mostly red states) that refused to setup exchanges and are run by the federal government. You can read about all that here.



Clearly.

There are only twelve of them for a reason.

 

[Dumpington]

How long before Joe Biden's 2020 presidential campaign implodes?

This is the THIRD time that Biden has declared himself to be a candidate for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination - the FIRST time, being way back in 1987, when his campaign quickly crashed & burned after newspapers reported that Biden had plagiarized a speech by British politician Neil Kinnock. Biden was also found to have earlier that year lifted passages from a 1967 speech by Robert F. Kennedy (for which his aides took the blame), plagiarized a short phrase from the 1961 inaugural address of John F. Kennedy, and in two prior years to have done the same thing with a 1976 passage from Hubert H. Humphrey.

Twenty years later, Biden tried again, announcing his candidacy for the 2008 presidential nomination, but then dropped out on January 3, 2008, after coming in fifth place - receiving less than 1% of the vote in the Iowa caucus. But because he alone had described Illinois U.S. Senator Barack Obama as being both "clean" and "articulate" earlier in the campaign, Obama would choose Biden to be his running-mate after winning the nomination, and again in 2012.

And now Biden is trying a THIRD time, despite charges being recently made against him by TWO Democratic Party women (former Nevada assemblywoman Lucy Flores & Amy Lappos, a former congressional aide) that Biden crossed a line of decency, inappropriately touching them and smelling their hair. Two additional women have since some forward with further allegations of inappropriate conduct. One woman said that Biden placed his hand on her thigh, while the other claimed that he ran his hand from her shoulder down her back. No word yet on whether or not Dr. Christine Blasey-Ford remembers Biden doing anything to her!

Currently, the former vice president leads in all of the polling with U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders - the two old white men - as Democrats appear hesitant to embrace any of the black and/or female candidates running for their party's presidential nomination.

 

[Adre]

Well let’s see, he’s running against a fat old white guy who has paid women to keep their mouths shut and has about a 37% approval rating, so I guess he has a chance in 2020.

 

[Dumpington]

Adre writes: "Well let’s see, he’s running against a fat old white guy who has paid women to keep their mouths shut and has about a 37% approval rating, so I guess he has a chance in 2020."

Black voters who overwhelmingly supported Barack Obama in 2008 (and again in 2012) did NOT turn out in large numbers for Mrs. Clinton in 2016 - her black voter support was amazingly SHALLOW - which is why the Democratic Party is increasingly concerned with keeping minority voters from abandoning their party! Black voters will NOT turn out in huge numbers for Joe Biden, and neither will female voters!

Your accusations against President Trump are bascically the very same ones repeated over & over in 2016, as are Trump's 37% approval rating. Everybody was convinced that he'd get landslided by Hillary Clinton, but that NEVER happened, did it?

That "fat old white guy" won't have any trouble defeating whomever the Democrats eventually nominate, because they have NO serious candidates who can keep their increasingly fractious party together. Seriously, name ONE candidate that the Democrats can rally behind?

 

[dan_c00000]

her black voter support was amazingly SHALLOW

If by shallow you mean 88%...CNN has that number as 89% of black votes for Clinton.

You might want to look up the definition of "shallow".

 

[Dumpington]

dan_c00000 writes: "You might want to look up the definition of "shallow"."

Yes, Dan, Mrs. Clinton won more black votes than did Donald Trump - you're certainly right about that (I never said she DIDN'T!)

But her black voter support was SHALLOW in that a LOT of black voters simply stayed home, most notably is big cities like Philadelphia, Detroit, & Milwaukee, and while President Obama won Pennsylvania, Michigan, & Wisconsin TWICE - Mrs. Clinton LOST all three!

Trump also did surprisingly well with hispanic & women voters, which the liberal media were certain would both go overwhelmingly for Hillary! That's not likely to change in 2020, as all of the unfounded predictions of doom should Trump win the presidency never came true!

As you, yourself, have pointed out, Dan, the Mueller Report was a complete BUST for the anti-Trump Democrats, as Russia Collusion NEVER happened! But that hasn't stopped the House Democrats from accomplish absolutely NOTHING since taking over the lower chamber of congress last November, except for endless investigations - and that's NOT going to bode well for Nancy Pelosi's hopes of retaining her speakership after next year!

 

[Gemma_0]

Creepy Joe has about as much chance of being elected president as Howdy Doody does.

 

[DawnODay]

Liberal Washington Post Gives Biden's Opening Speech 4 Pinocchios!

 

[dan_c00000]

you're certainly right about that

Thanks racist dump! By the way I see you're posting under your racist dawn alt again. Why not just stick with one easy to laugh at name? Why have multiple racist accounts?

I didn't read the rest of your post because it appeared to be rather anti-Semitic (just like dawn's posts!).