Are Joe Biden's presidential hopes dead?

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Lucy Flores, a one-time Democratic Party nominee for Lt. Governor of Nevada, may be destroying Joe Biden's hopes of ever becoming president, or even of successfully contending for his party's 2020 nomination! The former Vice President (under Barack Obama) is currently leading in most of the Democrat polls, despite his not even being a declared candidate yet. But that's probably about to change.

Ms. Flores has just told her story to New York magazine, and it doesn't bode well for Joe's political future. Here is her own story in her own words:

In 2014, I was the 35-year-old Democratic nominee for lieutenant governor in Nevada. The landscape wasn’t looking good for my party that year. There were no high-profile national races to help boost turnout, and after the top candidate bowed out of the governor’s race, “None of the Above” ended up winning the Democratic primary.

So when my campaign heard from Vice-President Joe Biden’s office that he was looking to help me and other Democrats in the state, I was grateful and flattered. His team offered to bring him to a campaign rally in an effort to help boost voter turnout. We set the date for November 1, just three days before election day.

In a state as large but sparsely populated as Nevada, it takes nonstop travel to connect with all its residents. You’re lucky to get properly fed, much less look properly coiffed as female candidates are often required to do. I was exhausted and short on time, so decided to not to wash my hair the morning of the rally. I sprayed some dry shampoo in my hair, raced off to the Reno airport, and flew back to Las Vegas.

The event proceeded as most political events do: coordinated chaos with random problems that no one can predict. I found Eva Longoria, co-founder of the Latino Victory Project, roaming the parking lot trying to figure out how to get inside the union hall. My staff was running around town trying to purchase ferns because according to Biden’s team, no other vegetation was acceptable for the stage.

I found my way to the holding room for the speakers, where everyone was chatting, taking photos, and getting ready to speak to the hundreds of voters in the audience. Just before the speeches, we were ushered to the side of the stage where we were lined up by order of introduction. As I was taking deep breaths and preparing myself to make my case to the crowd, I felt two hands on my shoulders. I froze. “Why is the vice-president of the United States touching me?”

I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, “I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it. And also, what in the actual fuck? Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?” He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused. There is a Spanish saying, “tragame tierra,” it means, “earth, swallow me whole.” I couldn’t move and I couldn’t say anything. I wanted nothing more than to get Biden away from me. My name was called and I was never happier to get on stage in front of an audience.

By then, as a young Latina in politics, I had gotten used to feeling like an outsider in rooms dominated by white men. But I had never experienced anything so blatantly inappropriate and unnerving before. Biden was the second-most powerful man in the country and, arguably, one of the most powerful men in the world. He was there to promote me as the right person for the lieutenant governor job. Instead, he made me feel uneasy, gross, and confused. The vice-president of the United States of America had just touched me in an intimate way reserved for close friends, family, or romantic partners — and I felt powerless to do anything about it.


Her story continues, but you get the gist of it. So WHY did Ms. Flores wait until late of March of 2019 to tell the world about something that happened in 2014? Possibly for the same reason that Christine Blasey-Ford waited thirty-five years to tell the world about something that she claimed that Brett Kavanaugh did to her while she was drunk at a party. But I think that Ms. Flores is far more credible! She continues later on with her own explanation of events:

After the event, I told a few of my staff what happened. We all talked about the inexplicable weirdness of what he did, but I didn’t plan on telling anyone else. I didn’t have the language or the outlet to talk about what happened. Who do you tell? What do you say? Is it enough of a transgression if a man touches and kisses you without consent, but doesn’t rise to the level of what most people consider sexual assault? I did what most women do, and moved on with my life and my work.

Time passed and pictures started to surface of Vice-President Biden getting uncomfortably close with women and young girls. Biden nuzzling the neck of the Defense secretary’s wife; Biden kissing a senator’s wife on the lips; Biden whispering in women’s ears; Biden snuggling female constituents. I saw obvious discomfort in the women’s faces, and Biden, I’m sure, never thought twice about how it made them feel. I knew I couldn’t say anything publicly about what those pictures surfaced for me; my anger and my resentment grew.

Had I never seen those pictures, I may have been able to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Had there not been multiple articles written over the years about the exact same thing — calling his creepy behavior an “open secret” — perhaps it would feel less offensive. And yet despite the steady stream of pictures and the occasional article, Biden retained his title of America’s Favorite Uncle. On occasion that title was downgraded to America’s Creepy Uncle but that in and of itself implied a certain level of acceptance. After all, how many families just tolerate or keep their young children away from the creepy uncle without ever acknowledging that there should be zero tolerance for a man who persistently invades others’ personal space and makes people feel uneasy and gross? In this case, it shows a lack of empathy for the women and young girls whose space he is invading, and ignores the power imbalance that exists between Biden and the women he chooses to get cozy with.

For years I feared my experience would be dismissed. Biden will be Biden. Boys will be boys. I worried about the doubts, the threats, the insults, and the minimization. “It’s not that big of a deal. He touched her, so what?” The immediate passing of judgement and the questioning of motives. “Why now? Why so long after? She just wants attention.” Or: “It’s politically motivated.” I would be lying if I said I didn’t carefully consider all of this before deciding to speak. But hearing Biden’s potential candidacy for president discussed without much talk about his troubling past as it relates to women became too much to keep bottled up any longer.

When I spoke to a male friend who is also a political operative in Biden’s orbit — the first man who had heard the story outside of my staff and close friends years ago — he did what no one else had and made me question myself and wonder if I was doing the right thing. He reminded me that Biden has significant resources and argued points that made me question my memory, even though I’ve replayed that scene in my mind a thousand times. He reminded me that my credibility would be attacked and that I should be prepared for the type of “back and forth” that could occur. (When reached by New York Magazine, a representative for Vice-President Joe Biden declined to comment.)

I’m not suggesting that Biden broke any laws, but the transgressions that society deems minor (or doesn’t even see as transgressions) often feel considerable to the person on the receiving end. That imbalance of power and attention is the whole point — and the whole problem.


Will this incident affect Biden's potential candidacy? Will the "Me, Too" even take notice? I'm guessing that this incident changes everything.
 
Mmm, no.
I mean, Biden has been running high in the polls on name recognition and perhaps nostalgia for the Obama administration (we sure do miss having a president we could actually be proud of!), but there was no way he was going to win the nomination in the first place. He lost twice before (in 1988 and 2008) and he lost for a reason.
 
I'm going to be surprised if every man running for president ISN'T accused of a sex-related offense. It's in the standard playbook of how to "fuck up the opposition."

For better or worse, in about 10 years, the combination of true and false allegations are going to desensitize the next generation and they'll give as much fucks about sexual assault as they do about swatting a fly. They'll probably even turn it into a social media challenge to collect likes, complete with tweets, snaps, and livestreams ... what a sad direction I see the world going in.
 
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He doesn't recall the incident. That is almost like not inhaling. Only different.:D

Seriously though, I'll have to refrain from bashing Joe Biden. No matter how I think of him - he does deserve some respect. He has indeed done a lot for my country. Much more than Obama or Hillary ever dreamed about.

Not going to split hairs on either of the Demoquacks leadership in that vein.
 
YDB95 writes: ""He lost twice before (in 1988 and 2008) and he lost for a reason."

I agree with you. The Democratic Party currently has several women & minority candidates having declared their run for the nomination, so WHY are the two elderly white men (Joe Biden & Bernie Sanders) clearly leading in ALL of the polls?

phrodeau writes: "Didn’t matter for Brett Kavanaugh."

First of all, phrodeau, Judge Kavanaugh didn't need any Democrat senate votes to secure his confirmation onto the U.S. Supreme Court (he got one anyway: Joe Manchin's) - whereas Joe Biden is in the exact opposite position - Joe won't need a single Republican vote to win any of the Democratic Party's presidential primaries - it's ALL just about Democrats!

And secondly, Lucy Flores is a MUCH more believable, sympathetic, & credible figure than was Christine Blasey-Ford, in that NOBODY can accuse of Lucy Flores of harboring any kind of anti-Biden political agenda to undermine the candidacy of the former vice-president, or say that it was way too long ago for her to clearly remember what happened, or even to argue that she was intoxicated at the time!

Adre writes: "Did he grab her by the pussy?"

TontoedRanger adds: "He doesn't recall the incident. That is almost like not inhaling. Only different."

There is NO WAY the Democratic Party can ignore this incident, or sweep it under a rug, without looking like HUGE HYPOCRITES! If Biden goes on to win the 2020 nomination, he might as well pick liberal Hollywood movie-mogul Harvey Weinstein as his running-mate. After all, Harvey has excellent pro-choice credentials, and he has donated millions to Planned Parenthood, am I right?
 
His hopes were dead before an hour has expired on the day he announced.
 
onthefence88 writes: "If you want Trump out you better hope they are"

Does Biden's dropping out HELP Trump, or HURT him?

I watched the ABC Evening News tonight, and they cited polls showing Joe Biden as the best hope of unifying the Democrats behind one candidate in 2020, and they also pointed out that before this incident broke he had a BIG lead over all of the declared presidential candidates!

On the other hand, the last time the Democrats nominated a former (not current) vice president to lead their party, he won a total of only one state and D.C. (worth a paltry 13 electoral votes!) That was former V.P. Walter Mondale in 1984, who also captured a weak 40.56% of the popular vote.

For the record, the last time the Republicans nominated a former (not current) vice president to be the G.O.P. standard-bearer, he eeked-out a narrow election victory over the current V.P. (Hubert Humphrey) - that was Richard Nixon in 1968, who also captured only 43.42% of the popular vote that year!
 
Lucy Flores’s encounter with the now-former Vice President isn't unique. It's no secret in Washington that Joe Biden has touched numerous women inappropriately in public. It’s just that it's never before been treated as a serious issue by the mainstream press.

Biden’s been caught on camera embracing a female reporter from behind and gripping her above her waist, just below her bust. He’s also touched women’s faces and necks during other photo-ops. Once at a swearing-in ceremony for a US senator, he held the upper arm of the senator’s pre-teen daughter, leaned down and whispered into her ear, as she became visibly uncomfortable. Then he kissed the side of her forehead, a gesture that made the girl flinch.

Now all of this is out in the open. News outlets are actually remembering these incidents. During the Obama-era, stories of this nature ran under light-hearted captions like: “Photo of famously friendly Joe Biden goes viral” or “Here’s Joe Biden being Joe Biden with Ash Carter’s wife.” Occasionally a media outlet might pen something critical. At the Federalist, Mollie Hemingway once questioned whether Biden supporters would tolerate this same behavior from a conservative. At Talking Points Memo, Alana Levinson even criticized liberals for giving him a pass.

But that was rare. Biden once used the F-word talking on a live mic, and it was a classic Joe moment. When he made one of his many gaffes, it was added to numerous lists all written in good fun. And when he did creepy things to women at public events, well, that was just Joe being Joe, too.

But in this era of #MeToo, it's not funny anymore. As Lucy Flores wrote: "I’m not suggesting that Biden broke any laws, but the transgressions that society deems minor (or doesn’t even see as transgressions) often feel considerable to the person on the receiving end. That imbalance of power and attention is the whole point — and the whole problem."

The Democratic Party is more than half women. More women ran as Democrat candidates in 2018 than ever before — and won. They were central to Democrats re-taking the House. Women are leading the sustained resistance to Trump. Their party needs them.

The question is whether the party needs a president who disrespects them.
 
Did he grab her by the pussy?

You guys are still jerking off to that thought? Maybe he bowling-bowled her. That's got to be more offensive than a pussy grab ... but there is nothing like mentioning these things until it can ruin a person's career, because until then, it's not important.

True or not? I don't know, but I've become skeptical of allegations that come out at the most damaging time in a person's life.
 
A Connecticut woman is now saying that Vice President Joe Biden touched her inappropriately (and rubbed noses with her) during a 2009 political fundraiser in the town of Greenwich, drawing further scrutiny to the undeclared candidate & Democrat front-runner and his long history of unwanted contact with women.

"It wasn't sexual, but he did grab me by the head," Amy Lappos told a Connecticut newspaper on Monday. "He put his hand around my neck and pulled me in to rub noses with me. When he was pulling me in, I thought he was going to kiss me on the mouth."

Lappos posted about the alleged incident on the Facebook page of Connecticut Women in Politics Sunday in response to a similar account by former Nevada legislator Lucy Flores, which comes as Biden is considering running for president. Flores accused Biden of kissing her on the back of her head in 2014, when she was a candidate for lieutenant governor.

Biden is the top choice of Democrats for president in 2020 in a number of recent public opinion polls, including those in battleground states such as Pennsylvania and Nevada. But in the wake of #MeToo scandals in politics, media and business, some Democrats say, the party must have a zero-tolerance policy for inappropriate behavior.

Of course, the Democrats can always IGNORE the "Me, Too" movement and give the nomination to Joe anyway. Hillary lost in 2016, so maybe they figure it's time to once again give it to an old white guy?
 
YDB95 writes: ""He lost twice before (in 1988 and 2008) and he lost for a reason."

I agree with you. The Democratic Party currently has several women & minority candidates having declared their run for the nomination, so WHY are the two elderly white men (Joe Biden & Bernie Sanders) clearly leading in ALL of the polls?
Name recognition, a very large field in which it doesn't take much support to lead in the polls, it's extremely early in the season, and - oh yeah - your claim about leading in all the polls is probably wrong just like most of your claims? :)

phrodeau writes: "Didn’t matter for Brett Kavanaugh."

First of all, phrodeau, Judge Kavanaugh didn't need any Democrat senate votes to secure his confirmation onto the U.S. Supreme Court (he got one anyway: Joe Manchin's) - whereas Joe Biden is in the exact opposite position - Joe won't need a single Republican vote to win any of the Democratic Party's presidential primaries - it's ALL just about Democrats!

And secondly, Lucy Flores is a MUCH more believable, sympathetic, & credible figure than was Christine Blasey-Ford, in that NOBODY can accuse of Lucy Flores of harboring any kind of anti-Biden political agenda to undermine the candidacy of the former vice-president, or say that it was way too long ago for her to clearly remember what happened, or even to argue that she was intoxicated at the time!
First of all, your point about Kavanaugh not needing any Democratic votes, although true - is completely irrelevant. Secondly, do you really expect anyone who knows you to think your belief that Flores is "more believable, sympathetic & credible" is based on anything more than the fact that she accused a Democrat? I mean, even if you were right, do you really think you have any credibility in making a statement like that?


Adre writes: "Did he grab her by the pussy?"

TontoedRanger adds: "He doesn't recall the incident. That is almost like not inhaling. Only different."

There is NO WAY the Democratic Party can ignore this incident, or sweep it under a rug, without looking like HUGE HYPOCRITES!

Most Democrats I know agree and are not supporting Biden. Yes, I already saw your (completely unsupported) claim about the polls, but even if that were true, almost all of those polls came before this allegation came to light.
 
Weird comments here, from people visiting an adult story site, where people enjoy stories about the secretary sucking and fucking her way up; a kiss on the back of a head crosses all boundaries?

Only if you're a Democrat, apparently. Republicans can try to rape girls in high school or brag about grabbing women by the pussy as an adult, and they belong on the Supreme Court or in the White House.
 
People saw the deception for what it was, though them Dems did their best.


Pull out the table, Nancy's dancing!!!
After they get done cannibalizing on each other I wonder which big fat demoquack will be left. I think if Joe wins his office will be the back of an ambulance. Maybe we'll call it ambulance 1.
 
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So, what are the charges? Rape? Did he force himself up on women?

What I've read, is that, with one woman, he held her shoulders and kissed the back of her head; not her lips, and as far as I know, no tongue included.

Another woman said he held her head and pressed his nose against hers.

Weird, perhaps, and I think he should be told not to do that again. Both women were adults at that time, and I guess clever enough to point out their boundaries, and demand an excuse. He might have changed his behaviour, if that had happened.

Weird comments here, from people visiting an adult story site, where people enjoy stories about the secretary sucking and fucking her way up; a kiss on the back of a head crosses all boundaries? I wonder if he had any improper intentions; I would have followed another path in that case. It doesn't even come close to checking the waters.

No doubt it was unwanted intimacy, but was it sexual? It's a scale, and I don't think this behaviour justifies the end of a career; it justifies a reprimand, and people should move on after that.


Ah, the kavanaugh defense
 
You guys are still jerking off to that thought? Maybe he bowling-bowled her. That's got to be more offensive than a pussy grab ... but there is nothing like mentioning these things until it can ruin a person's career, because until then, it's not important.

True or not? I don't know, but I've become skeptical of allegations that come out at the most damaging time in a person's life.

Yes, we always need to worry about a mans career before we listen to a woman

thanks for setting us straight
 
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she may be comfortable with it, but i am not.
 
His hopes are dead now. Pelosi just defended him.
 
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