Another Favorite Liberal Meme Goes Down

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[Disgustipated]

How weird is it they've gone up every President since Bush I? Or maybe that's just how shit has to get done since the 80's.

 

[Que]

It isn't how "shit gets done" it is how power is seized. Once a president seizes power it is tough for congress to get it back.

Before you get to giddy about "git r dun!" Obama, consider the same power in the hands of Scott Walker, Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush. Rand Paul wouldn't use it on principle. Probably. But not definitely.

 

[Disgustipated]

Fuck, man. Sleep it off, tweaker.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

So, making the assumption that this is even true, basically Obama has done what needed to get done just like the last time people refused to keep the country running. Bravo, give the man a life time achievment award.

Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'
Gregory Korte, USA TODAY 7:01 p.m. EST December 16, 2014

By issuing his directives as "memoranda" rather than executive orders, Obama has downplayed the extent of his executive actions.

WASHINGTON — President Obama has used a form of executive action known as the presidential memorandum more often than any other president in history — using it to take unilateral action even as he has issued fewer executive orders.

When these two forms of directives are taken together, Obama is on track to take more high-level executive actions than any president since Harry Truman battled the "Do Nothing Congress" six decades ago, according to a USA TODAY review of presidential documents.

Obama has issued executive orders to give federal employees the day after Christmas off, to impose economic sanctions and to determine how national secrets are classified. He's used presidential memoranda to make policy on gun control, immigration and labor regulations. Tuesday, he used a memorandum to declare Bristol Bay, Alaska, off-limits to oil and gas exploration.

Like executive orders, presidential memoranda don't require action by Congress. They have the same force of law as executive orders and often have consequences just as far-reaching. And some of the most significant actions of the Obama presidency have come not by executive order but by presidential memoranda.

Obama has made prolific use of memoranda despite his own claims that he's used his executive power less than other presidents. "The truth is, even with all the actions I've taken this year, I'm issuing executive orders at the lowest rate in more than 100 years," Obama said in a speech in Austin last July. "So it's not clear how it is that Republicans didn't seem to mind when President Bush took more executive actions than I did."

Obama has issued 195 executive orders as of Tuesday. Published alongside them in the Federal Register are 198 presidential memoranda — all of which carry the same legal force as executive orders.

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More here:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...idential-memoranda-executive-orders/20191805/

However someone needs to look up what exactly a memo actually is vs an EO. This sounds like the sort of thing that if it was true we would have heard about it four years ago as soon as the meme came out. So my suspicion is that a Memo is significantly weaker than an EO at least in theory. Lots of things don't work out according to theory mind you and if the people on the ground don't know the difference it goes away.

As for this is how power is seized it's been going on literally since Day One because the system never worked as designed and all the branches do it. And to some very real extent they should and must. The world is pretty complicated.

 

[Que]

As far as "weaker" he just gave amnesty to millions on a memo.

 

[Disgustipated]

How weird is it they've gone up every President since Bush I? Or maybe that's just how shit has to get done since the 80's.

Typical, no answer.

^^^^^ See above. I answered with a question. Any surprises it goes up with EVERY President?

 

[Sean Renaud]

As far as "weaker" he just gave amnesty to millions on a memo.

That doesn't gauge either A the intended strength or B the actual strength. In theory Congress is the only entity that can declare War but the president can order strikes and come back for permission and somehow I assume if we drone China or Russia we're at war whether Congress likes it.

So while you make a good point you still haven't answered the question.

As for amnesty we had no choice and Congress keeps forcing his hand. It's really a shame he's a consistent coward. This would have been the day after my second election had it been me.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Typical, no answer.

Shall we add "presidential memos" to the list of "Things that makes Vetteman shit his pants", along with "black helicopters", "chemtrails" and "the illuminati"?

 

[Que]

Typical, no answer.

So much for my hope that the Political Forum would dissuade the trolls from dropping in with absolutely nothing to say.

I liked Roscoe's theory that they at least thought they were showing off for an audience. Turns out mindless, irrelevant attacks are Viagra for them.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

So much for my hope that the Political Forum would dissuade the trolls from dropping in with absolutely nothing to say.

I liked Roscoe's theory that they at least thought they were showing off for an audience. Turns out mindless, irrelevant attacks are Viagra for them.

I'll let you in on a secret: EVERYONE IS SOMEBODIES TROLL. And every group of like-minded people are a troll clique. LAUREL is the troll god.

 

[Que]

I'll let you in on a secret: EVERYONE IS SOMEBODIES TROLL. And every group of like-minded people are a troll clique. LAUREL is the troll god.

Fair enough. I prefer interesting trolls, though.

 

[RobDownSouth]

So much for my hope that the Political Forum would dissuade the trolls from dropping in with absolutely nothing to say.

I liked Roscoe's theory that they at least thought they were showing off for an audience. Turns out mindless, irrelevant attacks are Viagra for them.

On the flip side of that coin, I'd hoped that deprived of your captive audience, you'd put a bit more thought into your posts. Instead, we still get a steady stream of your increasingly ditzy rationalizations.

Tell us again how "Oil Prices UP - All Obama's Fault! But Oil Prices DOWN - Not Because Of Obama"....I sometimes wonder if you can keep a straight face typing that.

 

[Que]

On the flip side of that coin, I'd hoped that deprived of your captive audience, you'd put a bit more thought into your posts. Instead, we still get a steady stream of your increasingly ditzy rationalizations.

Tell us again how "Oil Prices UP - All Obama's Fault! But Oil Prices DOWN - Not Because Of Obama"....I sometimes wonder if you can keep a straight face typing that.

I explained that very cogently. So far explaining the reverse of that we have a couple of eye-rolls and a 'you're wrong!'

Got anything to add yet?

 

[JohnnySavage]

The source for that very informative graph is Kenneth Lowande. A student at U.Va.

I bet vette's source charges $2 billion a day!

 

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[Disgustipated]

^^^^^ See above. I answered with a question. Any surprises it goes up with EVERY President?

Your problem is, you don't understand the point of the article.

So you shouldn't have any problem answering the question I axed, right?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Nobody on Lit is a captive audience. Nobody has to click on any thread or thread starter they don't want to.

The general board was a captive audience to your pathetic spewnami of threads each day, each of them a soapbox for you to squeal "this is my daily poutrage against Obama" in that shrill effeminate voice of yours.

 

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[Disgustipated]

You nutless pussy, nobody made you click on any of them except yourself. You could have lived up to your simpering screed and put my on Iggy and never saw any of those threads, couldn't you? You didn't, because you couldn't resist coming in and demonizing me because I was too close to home on your political stupidity.

Dunce.

Skipped over my question. Again.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

The point isn't that EOs are going up. The real point is, they are not official EOs, they are memoranda which carry the same weight and legality as an EO. Obama writes these by the dozens and then claims "I'm issuing executive orders at the lowest rate in more than 100 years." Which plays on the ignorance of people who don't know about the memoranda, who run around talking about how Bush issued more EOs than Obama. It's a political gimmick to fool his ignorant base.

Do they? Can you prove that because it sounds unlikely.