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Air India pilot's desperate mayday call seconds before devastating crash as experts raise fears wing flaps 'didn't look right' amid hunt for second black box​

Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, who had 8,200 hours of flying experience, desperately cried 'Mayday…no thrust, losing power, unable to lift' before the aircraft went down and hit a residential property. As well as most (all but one) on board, at least 50 people on the ground are said to have been killed and scores more injured.

There was speculation the plane was not correctly set up for takeoff, with the flaps not properly deployed. They are segments of the wing that can be extended to assist with lift. If set wrongly, they could stall the plane. Terry Tozer, a former pilot and author of the book 'Why planes crash', told Sky News an issue with the flaps was 'a reasonably logical explanation for a well-designed aircraft sinking to the earth in this way.'

Somehow, amid this firestorm of death and chaos, out walked the 'luckiest man in the world'. Mr Ramesh, from the Dreamliner's Seat 11A, seemingly displayed barely any visible serious injuries as he was filmed hobbling from the disaster zone. The British father's miraculous survival is all the more astonishing given that, not only did he get off a crashed plane, he then apparently managed to navigate a raging inferno. He walked unaided from a neighbourhood that was an apocalyptic scene. Charred bodies were scattered among twisted metal and scorched earth. Suitcases - some incongruously unscathed - were strewn among the debris, and blackened trees lay upended and smouldering.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nt-look-right-amid-hunt-second-black-box.html

The luckiest dude in the world....buy a lotto ticket now....
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Comment I just saw:

25,000-hour B777 captain here. It may be pilot error. Selecting flaps up after takeoff instead of the landing gear is my theory, and it explains why the gear stayed fully down. The crash pics show the L/E slats extended on the ground with little or no T/E flaps extended. That could not have been the T/O configuration, and "proves" the flaps were selected up after T/O. Selecting flaps up at a speed behind the power curve would feel to the flying pilot like a loss of power, thus the "mayday lost power" radio call.

And this.....
 
ChloeTzang said:
Comment I just saw:

25,000-hour B777 captain here. It may be pilot error. Selecting flaps up after takeoff instead of the landing gear is my theory, and it explains why the gear stayed fully down. The crash pics show the L/E slats extended on the ground with little or no T/E flaps extended. That could not have been the T/O configuration, and "proves" the flaps were selected up after T/O. Selecting flaps up at a speed behind the power curve would feel to the flying pilot like a loss of power, thus the "mayday lost power" radio call.

And this.....
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They have one of the boxes, maybe both by now.
 
ll74 said:
I'm truly surprised no one has suggested DEI caused it yet.
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Nah, Pajeets are pretty smart. And Air India. It was all Pajeets and that Captain had 8200 hurs flying experience (and not on MS Flight Simulator LOL - he read the SAMS Teach Yourself to Fly a Boeing a long time ago. so Air India put him in charge).

Seriously, Indian techies are pretty competent. And velly Bwitish, old chap. LOL. I'd trust a velly Bwitish Pajeet over a Mainland Chinese techie LOL
 
Rebel5soul said:
They have one of the boxes, maybe both by now.
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Yeah, it's not like it's 20,000 feet under the Indian Ocean. Should identofy what happened pretty quickly. Until then it's just gossip and idle speculation, which we are all highly skilled in. LOL
 
ChloeTzang said:
Nah, Pajeets are pretty smart. And Air India. It was all Pajeets and that Captain had 8200 hurs flying experience (and not on MS Flight Simulator LOL - he read the SAMS Teach Yourself to Fly a Boeing a long time ago. so Air India put him in charge).

Seriously, Indian techies are pretty competent. And velly Bwitish, old chap. LOL. I'd trust a velly Bwitish Pajeet over a Mainland Chinese techie LOL
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Aaah, so non dei hires are just as incompetent as DEI hires.

Got it
 
Bn2f said:
How does a commercial passenger get to choose the type of plane that’s scheduled for their flight?
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Not being a jerk here, but some folk talk about booking flights based on type of plane. Like if Airbus, more likely to be delayed.
 
ChloeTzang said:
Comment I just saw:

25,000-hour B777 captain here. It may be pilot error. Selecting flaps up after takeoff instead of the landing gear is my theory, and it explains why the gear stayed fully down. The crash pics show the L/E slats extended on the ground with little or no T/E flaps extended. That could not have been the T/O configuration, and "proves" the flaps were selected up after T/O. Selecting flaps up at a speed behind the power curve would feel to the flying pilot like a loss of power, thus the "mayday lost power" radio call.

And this.....
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Don’t pilots push a button that says “takeoff” these days? Maybe there was a computer glitch they couldn’t override somehow.
 
Scareltt said:
On take off?

What were the flaps set at?
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They were up with the landing gear down. Unless they lost all power and hydraulics, someone on the flight deck might have screwed the pooch. Tragic, horrible loss of life and human suffering for families and all affected.
 
ChloeTzang said:
Nah, Pajeets are pretty smart. And Air India. It was all Pajeets and that Captain had 8200 hurs flying experience (and not on MS Flight Simulator LOL - he read the SAMS Teach Yourself to Fly a Boeing a long time ago. so Air India put him in charge).

Seriously, Indian techies are pretty competent. And velly Bwitish, old chap. LOL. I'd trust a velly Bwitish Pajeet over a Mainland Chinese techie LOL
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It’s not really the Capt they’ll be focusing on but the “new hire” low time First Officer. For the record, I don’t know if the FO was a new hire or low time, but assuming the Capt was the pilot flying and FO pilot monitoring, the FO would have been responsible for retracting gear. Visa versa if the FO was flying. It appears the 787 has a tiller on both sides of the cockpit.

If, as the 777 Capt in your statement upstream is correct, all indications are the slats were deployed so I’m assuming again the flaps were also. If the flaps were retracted before the gear and slats (which usually are retracted last) then that would have been a handful for the pilot flying and now the focus will be on the how the flight deck was managed in those critical few seconds.
 

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tnman03 said:
They were up with the landing gear down. Unless they lost all power and hydraulics, someone on the flight deck might have screwed the pooch. Tragic, horrible loss of life and human suffering for families and all affected.
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The captain's mayday call mentioned that they couldn't apply power.
 
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