Another African Utopia

Lost Cause

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How come every time an African country gets free from the European influence that built it's infrastructure, it turns to shit? South Africa, Uganda, Zaire, Kenya, and now, Rhodesia. Wasssuuuppp???!!

Zimbabwe Arrests 354 Activists
Fri Apr 5, 3:47 PM ET
By ANGUS SHAW, Associated Press Writer

HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) - Police have arrested 354 activists as they organized protests against disputed presidential elections, in what critics say is the latest example of President Robert Mugabe's efforts to turn Zimbabwe into a police state.

The activists were arrested Thursday as they met at a church-run hostel in Harare to prepare for weekend demonstrations to protest Mugabe's victory in last month's elections, organizer Lovemore Madhuku said Friday.

Home Affairs Minister John Nkomo, in charge of the police, said the demonstrations planned for Saturday were illegal and told state television he was giving "a stern warning" to anyone choosing to take part.

"The law will be applied in full force," he said.

Thousands of government critics and opposition activists have been arrested since the election as part of a campaign of harassment and violence targeting critics of Mugabe's 22-year regime, human rights groups said.

"It is a police state. We will not be intimidated," said Madhuku, head of the National Constitutional Assembly, a coalition of activists.

The southern African nation has been wracked by political violence over the past two years that human rights groups contend was a calculated ruling party campaign to intimidate opposition supporters and ensure Mugabe's re-election.

Opposition leaders and several independent observer groups say the March 9-11 elections were deeply flawed and clearly biased toward Mugabe. The United States condemned the poll and the Commonwealth of Britain and its former colonies suspended Zimbabwe for a year.

Since the poll, Zimbabwe's 4,000 white farmers have reported an upsurge in violence, evictions, and looting of their property, which they blamed on retribution against them by Mugabe's militants.

Mugabe has rejected calls by the opposition Movement for Democratic Change for an election rerun.

"The next poll will be held six years hence. Let that sink in to Britain and its surrogates in the MDC," Mugabe said Friday at a meeting of his party's 125-member central committee.

The activists jailed Thursday were arrested under the sweeping Public Order and Security Act, passed by ruling party lawmakers in January, which requires police approval for all gatherings of more than three people that are seen as political in nature.

Amnesty International condemned the arrests, accusing the ruling party of a campaign of "reprisal attacks" against opposition supporters.

Instead of stopping the violence, the government condoned it in order to destroy the opposition and take revenge, Amnesty said in a statement.

Some of the activists were accused of holding an illegal public meeting while others were accused of holding a gathering likely to induce public disorder, said Chief Inspector Tarwireyi Tirivavi, a police spokesman.

Before the elections, police used the security law to ban at least 80 opposition rallies, while allowing Mugabe's party to meet freely.

Since the election, police have used the law to break up efforts to organize protests and to stifle criticism of the regime.

A three-day national strike called two weeks ago fizzled out, partly because the laws prevented labor officials from moving freely and holding meetings at factories and businesses.

Earlier this week, police in Harare forced The Book Cafe, something of an intellectual salon, to cancel political debates by authors and academics. Satiric plays at the cafe were also put on hold, cafe owners said in a statement.

Police have ordered some bar owners to close early in strongholds of the opposition Movement for Democratic Change after raids to break up alleged illegal gatherings there.

Brian Raftopoulos, a political analyst with the Zimbabwe Institute of Development Studies, described the security laws as "very repressive, but very effective" in stifling dissent.

Earlier this week, Mugabe vowed to crush protests or civil disobedience to protest the election.

The organizers of the planned weekend demonstrations face up to six months in jail if they defy the prohibition of their protest.

"The police ban on our planned peaceful demonstrations is unlawful and unconstitutional," Madhuku said. "We are going ahead, even if they have to keep jailing people."

The activists, which included women with young children, were arrested while meeting privately inside a church building, he said. Four officials with the group were later arrested when they asked police about the status of those arrested, he said.

Raftopoulos said the security laws were comparable to measures used in dictatorships. They not only disrupted opposition campaigning, but also meetings of independent rights and reform groups and civic organizations.

"It has had a most debilitating effect on the continuity of discourse and action on the protection of free expression, movement and association," he said. "It works."
 
Although it is not a typical type discussion for literotica, I do have my own personal opinion of this. It relates to money, in my opinion. The African states are poor, with virtually no natural income. In order to keep the nations afloat, there is a heavy reliance on foriegn money, either from the EU or from the US. You have the men in power that take the money (orignally destined for, and with good intent, the people of the country) and use it to make a better life for themselves. In other words, the people in power control the money given to their nation by 1st world governments. This often happens to humanitarian aid of other forms, also, such as food and clothes. This is why there is a high turn over of governments in those countries, too, and it also explains the attempted or successful implementation of police states; the men in power want to protect their income and implement a more dictatorship type regime.
Greed, my man, is a one-word answer.
This can be seen in many third world countries, and is not particular to Africa. I believe that if you saw a certain and rapid halt of money and other aid to the African countries or third world countries, you would see both a decrease in government turnovers and a decrease in population.
 
Robert Mugabe is a fascist. He employs the methods of all fascists to silence his opponents. Murder, fear, intimidation and corruption. He has gangs of teenage militia going about like so many Brownshirts beating up any opponent brave enough to speak out. The sooner Zimbabwe is rid of him and his ilk, the better.
 
I lived in Zaire for two years (93-95). What I saw was a man (Mabutu) who took all he could from his country and stored it for himself. Humans are greedy and want for themselves. Zaire (Congo) has many, many natural resources that could make that country a valuable ally. If a man could come forward that had a heart for the country's good, not his own, Congo could become a profitable nation again.
 
stargazer said:
I lived in Zaire for two years (93-95). What I saw was a man (Mabutu) who took all he could from his country and stored it for himself. Humans are greedy and want for themselves. Zaire (Congo) has many, many natural resources that could make that country a valuable ally. If a man could come forward that had a heart for the country's good, not his own, Congo could become a profitable nation again.

It's tragic because so many African countries fit into that category.
 
I just remembered a great movie/book that fits this topic. Both go by the name, "The Wild Geese". The movie has Roger Moore, Christopher Walken, and deals with installing an African dictator by using mercenaries. The same influences are in play with that story.
I was on a "red flagged" ops mission in a part of Africa in the seventies when terrorists took some mining employees hostage. Our briefing folks told us that outside the capital, our safety could not be promised. The answer was after are drop, we were to terminate any contact with any citizen of that country....one way or another. I was amazed then of the corruption, and the social impact on everyone else down the line. Luckily, we got recalled on the mission when the Foreign Legion got the go ahead to take the mining town from the higher authorities.

**In case anyone out there works for the NSA, I didn't give specifics! :D
 
Lost Cause said:
I just remembered a great movie/book that fits this topic. Both go by the name, "The Wild Geese". The movie has Roger Moore, Christopher Walken, and deals with installing an African dictator by using mercenaries. The same influences are in play with that story.
I was on a "red flagged" ops mission in a part of Africa in the seventies when terrorists took some mining employees hostage. Our briefing folks told us that outside the capital, our safety could not be promised. The answer was after are drop, we were to terminate any contact with any citizen of that country....one way or another. I was amazed then of the corruption, and the social impact on everyone else down the line. Luckily, we got recalled on the mission when the Foreign Legion got the go ahead to take the mining town from the higher authorities.

**In case anyone out there works for the NSA, I didn't give specifics! :D

I think you've combined two good movies on the same subject into one. The Wild Geese with Roger Moore, Richard Burton, and Richard Harris plus The Dogs of War with Christopher Walken. It's understandable because both films were about the same subject, overthrowing a corrupt African regime with mercenaries.

I thoroughly enjoyed both films.
 
Thanks Mensa, I realized that after I hit the "submit' button! You're right on both movies, they portray the subject well. Thanks again! :D
 
Mensa said:
Robert Mugabe is a fascist. He employs the methods of all fascists to silence his opponents. Murder, fear, intimidation and corruption. He has gangs of teenage militia going about like so many Brownshirts beating up any opponent brave enough to speak out. The sooner Zimbabwe is rid of him and his ilk, the better.

A very good analogy, one of Mugabe's ministers has actually changed his surname to Hitler. As most dictatorships do Mugabe plays the race card for all it's worth. That there has to be land reform is obvious, but although a few white farmers have been killed the people Mugabes thugs usually kill are the farmers black workers.

I know the price of freedom can't be measured, but can the people of countries like Zimbabwe or Rwanda or Congo have been any worse off under the British, French or Belgians?
 
I forgot about Rwanda, who still practices SLAVERY just as it was in the early 1800s! I don't hear the loud mouths over here say anything about African Slavers. I guess they're a cursed society, since they never developed anything higher than tribal class warfare, and thatched hut castles. The smartest thing a subject there can do is smuggle their ass out of Africa! :D
 
I'm glad you bought this up Lost Cause...my SO was in Rhodesia in the late 1970's - first as a medic - then as a member of the `Black Boots' Regiment. The stories he has told me about the attrocities committed - not just against the white farmers - but to the blacks who opposed Mugabe - are horrific.

The sooner Mugabe is taken out of the picture - the better. Rhodesia - once a productive and independently wealthy country, will soon become a wasteland of poverty and self distruction.

How long are we going to let this bastard carry on?
 
Too close a proximity to the middle east?

Horrible story. The ignored continent.

When we are done with the current war on terror, perhaps we should pay Africa a visit.
 
No, not true.

android1966 said:


That there has to be land reform is obvious, but although a few white farmers have been killed the people Mugabes thugs usually kill are the farmers black workers.


android1966,

Only addressing the 'land reform' issue. What land reform means in most of these, and other, countries is to disenfranchise the rightful owner and parcel out the land to the political rabble.

Using Zimbabwe as an example, the farms owned by teh whites are profitable. They increase the national wealth and provide jobs for the population. Where those farmers have been forced from their land, the land was divided by many and fell into 'subsistence' farming. Subsistence farming is traditionalist land usage. While quaint, it does not contribute to the national wealth, or even the individuals wealth. While the family size increases, it insures that more and more people must live off of a small piece of land. Small plots mean that a greater percentage of arrable land is consumed by the living quarters and outbuildings normally associated with farming. It also means that a greater number of people are adversely effected by things such as a local drought condition, or a crop pestilence.

Redistribushionist land policies have failed in almost every instance of their application.

Large, effeciently operated, tracts of land under agriculture make more food available at a lower price. It also means that more people are now freed to persue other forms of personal endeavors, such as commerce, or industry, or service provider, or EDUCATION. Land reform is the LAST thing an enlightened government should attempt to enact.

As for the general condition of the Sub-Saharan African continent. Whoever said it first is right. Tribalism. Look for the Zulu's to secede from So. Africa and form their own nation. Now there are some very smart, very mean boys.

Ishmael
 
Africa is a total mess because Europe and the petty dictators they've installed made it that way.

Does anyone read Franz Fanon anymore?
 
You're right

Marxist said:
Africa is a total mess because Europe and the petty dictators they've installed made it that way.

Does anyone read Franz Fanon anymore?

And they are slowly returning to the civilized paradise that they were before the Europeans arrived.

Ishmael
 
Anyone remember where that great humanitarian Idi Amin ended up living?;)
 
Did anyone ever watch Star Trek?

They had this idea, called the Prime Directive (I think), whereby the people from the ship weren't allowed to mess with any civilization that wasn't at the same level developmentally. If Europeans had this concept instead of Imperialism, Africa wouldn't hav half the problems it does. It might have other problems (hell, we've all got problems), but they would be problems of their own making.

And the mightn't have white supremists passing judgement.
 
Wrongo

17th & 18th Century merchantilism are not the same as 19th Century Imperialism. 'Sides, here in the states, the Europeans just murdered the indiginous population, and created a new Euro-centric civilization. In Africa, the indiginous population remains, but Euro-civ has been overlaid, with varying effect.
 
Tribalism rules, Whether in the Mid East or Africa. You could say that there is also Euro Centric tribe, Asian Tribe etc. Some tribes are just a bit more civilized in ruling their people.
 
Re: Wrongo

kotori said:
17th & 18th Century merchantilism are not the same as 19th Century Imperialism. 'Sides, here in the states, the Europeans just murdered the indiginous population, and created a new Euro-centric civilization. In Africa, the indiginous population remains, but Euro-civ has been overlaid, with varying effect.

WRONGO WRONGO

If you were using "The prime directive" which you quoted. Christopher Columbus would have sailed to the new world had a good look and sailed back without landing. So if the Europeans had this idea as you suggested the USA would never have been settled. Likewise Australia, New Zealand and a host of other places.
 
Oh, I see what you mean. Yes, you're right.

I always wondered how New York harbor must have looked to Henry Hudson and the Half-Moon boys.
 
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