Andor - writing

[EmilyMiller]

I don't know if Kaylee is the "Female Main Character". I think that is Zoe.
Kaylee is a "Major Character" though.

My FMC, not Whedon’s

I started watching The OA but it lost me in Season 2.

It got very, very weird. Still liked it. Sad it got cancelled.

I haven't seen Stranger Things.
I like watching people's brain short-circuit when I say that. LOL.

I haven’t seen Friends. Imagine!

Em

 

[Seadog777]

My FMC, not Whedon’s

It got very, very weird. Still liked it. Sad it got cancelled.

I haven’t seen Friends. Imagine!

Em

LOL, I got you.
Kaylee is my 2nd favorite behind Mal.

Yeah, it just went completely ass backwards and sideways.

I consider F.R.I.E.N.D.S to be the greatest show in TV History.

I still love you though

 

[Seadog777]

My FMC, not Whedon’s

During the "Pandemic Shutdown", I was lucky enough to have won a 1-hour video chat session with Jewel(Kaylee) and Sean(Simon).
It was AWESOME!!!
They told me so much about backstage, how much fun they had, their current works and life, as well as some serious dirt about what's going on.

 

[EmilyMiller]

LOL, I got you.
Kaylee is my 2nd favorite behind Mal.

I thought Pedro was channeling Mal in both The Mandalorian and The Last if Us. Swear he was going to say “Mule won’t run with five” or to refer to his pretty floral bonnet at some point in the latter

 

[EmilyMiller]

During the "Pandemic Shutdown", I was lucky enough to have won a 1-hour video chat session with Jewel(Kaylee) and Sean(Simon).
It was AWESOME!!!
They told me so much about backstage, how much fun they had, their current works and life, as well as some serious dirt about what's going on.

So jealous!!!

 

[Seadog777]

So jealous!!!

It's how I found out that Nathan is the lone holdout about a "reboot" getting started when it comes to the cast.
I found out some other things, but those I'll reveal at another time.

Funding is problem as well.
Sci-Fi is an expensive genre to film and make for TV.

 

[Seadog777]

I thought Pedro was channeling Mal in both The Mandalorian and The Last if Us. Swear he was going to say “Mule won’t run with five” or to refer to his pretty floral bonnet at some point in the latter

I haven't seen The Last of Us.
He SHOULD quote Mal, it'd get viewers.

 

[EmilyMiller]

It's how I found out that Nathan is the lone holdout about a "reboot" getting started when it comes to the cast.
I found out some other things, but those I'll reveal at another time.

Funding is problem as well.
Sci-Fi is an expensive genre to film and make for TV.

I thought the TV SFX we’re pretty good for Firefly. Then it wasn’t an SFX-driven show. But they weren’t so bad they distracted.

Em

 

[Seadog777]

I thought the TV SFX we’re pretty good for Firefly. Then it wasn’t an SFX-driven show. But they weren’t so bad they distracted.

Em

The biggest issue is the cost of the sets and how many there were.
You had all of Serenity, plus whatever planet they were visiting.
Gotta feed the cast and crew (apparently Adam eats everything in sight, LOL)
The sound effects were really good, considering that they had Serenity being a Firefly Class, which is a really old boat.

 

[EmilyMiller]

The biggest issue is the cost of the sets and how many there were.
You had all of Serenity, plus whatever planet they were visiting.
Gotta feed the cast and crew (apparently Adam eats everything in sight, LOL)
The sound effects were really good, considering that they had Serenity being a Firefly Class, which is a really old boat.

I can’t believe they had to remake the set for Seeenity. I couldn’t tell the difference. Except they gave Wash some controls instead of him having to mime.

Em

 

[Seadog777]

I can’t believe they had to remake the set for Seeenity. I couldn’t tell the difference. Except they gave Wash some controls instead of him having to mime.

Em

They don't keep the sets for long after a show ends.
It was 2 years between the end of the TV show Firefly and when they started filming the movie Serenity.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I haven't seen The Last of Us.
He SHOULD quote Mal, it'd get viewers.

Pedro is meant to be from Texas. He sounded exactly like Nathan on occasion.

Em

 

[Seadog777]

Pedro is meant to be from Texas. He sounded exactly like Nathan on occasion.

Em

I'll eventually check the show out.

 

[SimonDoom]

I hear Americans didn't appreciate Borat so much. I suspect it's not so much that Yanks can't cope with a mild piss-take, but that there's a familiarity needed with UK stereotypes of America first to get the humour. At the time, Pamela Anderson was the epitome of American desirability, for example.

I enjoyed Borat, and I know many other Americans that did as well. It was uncomfortable humor, no question about it, but I thought it was very funny.

Many Americans are keenly aware of the way the world views them.

 

[PandemicReader8]

Well, this thread resulted in a full on argument in the real world. Apparently there is a question unanswered, is Star Wars simply the story elements and setting pieces, or is it also the aesthetic, the space opera of it.

Are Rogue One - a war movie in many ways - and Andor - film noir heist- Star War given the lack - muted nature - of these elements?

 

[SimonDoom]

Well, this thread resulted in a full on argument in the real world. Apparently there is a question unanswered, is Star Wars simply the story elements and setting pieces, or is it also the aesthetic, the space opera of it.

Are Rogue One - a war movie in many ways - and Andor - film noir heist- Star War given the lack - muted nature - of these elements?

I think the best way to describe it at this point is that it's an entertainment franchise. It's an established beloved property that its owners know they can exploit because millions of fans with a seemingly endless appetite to consume more stuff that's linked to it.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I hear Americans didn't appreciate Borat so much. I suspect it's not so much that Yanks can't cope with a mild piss-take, but that there's a familiarity needed with UK stereotypes of America first to get the humour. At the time, Pamela Anderson was the epitome of American desirability, for example.

I'm not sure if it's about unfamiliarity with stereotypes, as much as it is that American audiences are a bit more prone to take things literally.

Taken at face value, Borat is just a much less funny "Coming To America" knock-off, with a distinctly unlikeable main character. It only clicks if one realises that a lot of the film isn't about Borat the character, but about how real people behave when they think they're talking to somebody as racist/sexist/etc. as themselves.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I think you have it all wrong. I don't remember anybody back then taking it seriously. I sure as hell didn't, and neither did my friends. It wasn't 2001: Space Odyssey, or even Close Encounters. It was campy space opera, and that's it. There was no philosophy behind it. It's a stretch to even call it science fiction, because there's no science. It was just pure silly fun, like Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Yeah, I tend to think of Star Wars as more "fantasy with spaceships" than sci-fi.

Firefly, similarly, I'd class more as a weeaboo-tinged western than as sci-fi, although it's not quite as clear-cut there. There are some moments where it gets a little bit into SF territory (running out of air etc.) but overall, it seems much less interested in science than in cowboys and katanas. Even Star Wars pays more attention to "how does space travel work?"; I was never convinced that Firefly entirely understood the distinction between a solar system and a galaxy, or cared to understand.

(And don't get me started on "guns in vacuum"...)

I still loved it when I first saw it. Sad to say I've cooled on it since, but for reasons not related to this genre discussion.

 

[DickandDoof]

I have no idea what you people are talking about. I think it’s time I go back to my universe and leave you to enjoy yours. The real universe is so mindfuckingly amazing, I see no need to spend my time in alternate ones.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I have no idea what you people are talking about. I think it’s time I go back to my universe and leave you to enjoy yours. The real universe is so mindfuckingly amazing, I see no need to spend my time in alternate ones.

Hi Mr Grumpy .

SW is, like all Sci-Fi, firmly of this world.

Em

 

[CyranoJ]

someone creative and not obsessed with political correctness

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Aaaanyway, from what I can tell, Andor is written quite brilliantly. I often feel hesitant about commenting on the "writing" of shows b/c it can be hard to tell how much of the writers' intent in any given piece actually made it to the screen -- very often there are ad hoc interventions from the director, the actors and especially the studio execs to deal with, which is why The Rise of Skywalker was so incoherent -- but Andor shows all the signs of having had well-written scripts that were actually adhered to.

It benefits enormously from not attempting to shoehorn legacy characters into the frame (a tendency that has steadily dragged The Mandalorian down) so that even though it is a prequel to a story with a pretty definitive end point, it feels genuinely new and like it actually enlarges the SW universe. (I mean yes, we do get Mon Mothma, but her inclusion feels natural and we also get to see a much more interesting side of her than usual, wherein she's a vital participant in events rather than just a vehicle for exposition.) The prison arc isn't just good for a Star Wars show, it's great television period. Luthen Rael is gold as a character, and Diego Luna delivers as the lead; if I'm honest, his version of Cassian Andor is a lot livelier and more interesting than the character we met in Rogue One. The show's pacing, structure and tone work in all the ways that tend not to work that well in most of Disney's Star Wars output, most of which is down to what appears to have been a specific decision to just let it be a grown-up show.

 

[EmilyMiller]

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Aaaanyway, from what I can tell, Andor is written quite brilliantly. I often feel hesitant about commenting on the "writing" of shows b/c it can be hard to tell how much of the writers' intent in any given piece actually made it to the screen -- very often there are ad hoc interventions from the director, the actors and especially the studio execs to deal with, which is why The Rise of Skywalker was so incoherent -- but Andor shows all the signs of having had well-written scripts that were actually adhered to.

It benefits enormously from not attempting to shoehorn legacy characters into the frame (a tendency that has steadily dragged The Mandalorian down) so that even though it is a prequel to a story with a pretty definitive end point, it feels genuinely new and like it actually enlarges the SW universe. (I mean yes, we do get Mon Mothma, but her inclusion feels natural and we also get to see a much more interesting side of her than usual.) The prison arc isn't just good for a Star Wars show, it's great television period. Luthen Rael is gold as a character, and Diego Luna delivers as the lead; if I'm honest, his version of Cassian Andor is a lot livelier and more interesting than the character we met in Rogue One. The show's pacing, structure and tone work in all the ways that tend not to work that well in most of Disney's Star Wars output, most of which is down to what appears to have been a specific decision to just let it be a grown-up show.

I totally agree with all of that.

Em

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Not exactly sure why I was quoted, especially since that post is from seven months ago. I have older, far more inflaming posts if anyone else is interested in resurrection

 

[cdstefi]

One word. Firefly.

Em

Firefly is one of the purest shining gems in a sea of rubbish sci-fi dross. Pure brilliance.

 

[sister jenny]

Missed this whole thread.

Soo, my 3 cents.

Andor made The Mandalorian look like Xena. Probably the best thing that has ever come from the SW universe.

I LOVE Firefly and I have a serious crush on Kaylee. Still waiting for the episode when Inara teaches her some tricks (sorry didn’t mean to go there).
I would love a reboot, but also scared that it would not be as good, and lose the charm the original series have.

Borat? Nah.