An Idea

[sr71plt]

Thinking and doing are two different animals. You seem not to understand this in so many ways, JBJ.

Let's just see you do this one. I'll be watching.

As with most things you weigh in on here, putting an anthology together--especially one where the authors are paid--is far more complex and difficult than it appears to be from your Laz-Y-Boy. Also, I work with a lot of anthologies. I've never heard of one where an author had to pay to be included in one. The name we would give to that would be "scam."

For those interested in getting into an anthology in the mainstream, one of the best sources for getting published is the Duotrope Digest. Google that and explore the publications it indexes.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I did suggest what to do if you wanted your short story in an anthology--and what I suggested was a lot more than you've done here, Zeb.

I've put anthologies together before. Have you?

Yet you still shit on everyone who has and idea or a thought. Doesn't matter what that thought is, you piss and moan about how wrong they are.

Yep, I have.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Oh! I have a smidgen of experience in these regards, PILOT.

But the bottomline is: Its no money outta your pocket or sweat from your brow, so what do you care?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Oh! I have a smidgen of experience in these regards, PILOT.

But the bottomline is: Its no money outta your pocket or sweat from your brow, so what do you care?

Don't matter, he just likes to rain on everyone's parade, he can't help himself, he's still in high school.

 

[sr71plt]

Oh! I have a smidgen of experience in these regards, PILOT.

But the bottomline is: Its no money outta your pocket or sweat from your brow, so what do you care?

It takes little time and effort to identify shysters, JBJ, and I think that's helpful to those here considering their options. Just to keep score, so far all you've got on this is just talk, right?

Gee, Zeb, I've given two suggestions on how to link up with anthologies now, and you've still given none.

(By the way, I've just been to Amazon to look at your sales standings. tsk, tsk, tsk.)

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

It takes little time and effort to identify shysters, JBJ, and I think that's helpful to those here considering their options. Just to keep score, so far all you've got on this is just talk, right?

Gee, Zeb, I've given two suggestions on how to link up with anthologies now, and you've still given none.

(By the way, I've just been to Amazon to look at your sales standings. tsk, tsk, tsk.)

No one's forcing you or anyone to submit, and how much could an email set anyone back? OH! MAN! THAT EVIL JIM JOHNSON WANTS AN EMAIL SUBMISSION, GUESS WE GOTTA EAT BEANS THIS MONTH. AND THAT MONEY ORDER HE SENT LOOKS MIGHTY SUSPICIOUS!

 

[sr71plt]

No one's forcing you or anyone to submit, and how much could an email set anyone back? OH! MAN! THAT EVIL JIM JOHNSON WANTS AN EMAIL SUBMISSION, GUESS WE GOTTA EAT BEANS THIS MONTH. AND THAT MONEY ORDER HE SENT LOOKS MIGHTY SUSPICIOUS!

Submit to what? It's all talk so far. That's all you are, JBJ.

You couldn't even come up with a theme for it when you were asked what that was. There's no "here" here.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Submit to what? It's all talk so far. That's all you are, JBJ.

You couldn't even come up with a theme for it when you were asked what that was. There's no "here" here.

The stories will all feature He-Man talk about broken fingers and guns, in short manly sentences minus pronouns.

They will all be True As a Police Siren In The Night.

Several of them will feature dead skunks dragged across the reader's path.

 

[sr71plt]

So, how are your anthology plans coming along, JBJ? And did this thread serve your purposes in trying to fool someone that you do anything with writing/publishing at all beyond what you regurgitate from the books you've read?

 

[RoyceConnors]

I like the idea of this. Despite what some feel about JBJ personally, I believe he has an idea that has merit. I'd be interested in how and who gets chosen to be entered and what kind of payment they might expect to receive. Maybe the best of each genre, like an overview of Lit.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I like the idea of this. Despite what some feel about JBJ personally, I believe he has an idea that has merit. I'd be interested in how and who gets chosen to be entered and what kind of payment they might expect to receive. Maybe the best of each genre, like an overview of Lit.

My plan is to cull submissions for the egregiously shoddy wares, then send them to an editor for reading and selection. Depending on the length of submissions, I wanna print...say...200 pages of fiction and non-fiction....maybe 25 stories. The submissions must be real stories NOT scenes, incidents, and the other crap LITTER-OTICA loves. If you submit erotica it better make my little rose bud blossom! Payment by money order at acceptance. No SASE necessary...we know who you are, and we know where you live!

 

[sr71plt]

We'll check back later on this.

Yes, anthologies are good ideas. I have a load of them out there in the marketplace. And Lit. has been offered help by those who know how to do them on putting some out--maybe its contest-winning stories or a selection of the stories it has been green Es to. Lit. hasn't shown interest in entering that market, though.

The proper editor(s) and publishers are available. JBJ is neither--as anyone who sucks in on his scheme here will find out. This thread is just one of various he has launched to hoodwink readers to think that he is what he isn't--either a writer or an editor or someone who knows how to get anything done in publishing. It's "just pretending."

 

[sr71plt]

Speaking of putting together anthologies, JBJ, how is your loosely/just pretend conceived anthology project coming along?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Speaking of putting together anthologies, JBJ, how is your loosely/just pretend conceived anthology project coming along?

You wanna submit something?

I'm actually thinking September may be a good time, give folks time to cobble something together at their leisure.

 

[sr71plt]

You wanna submit something?

I'm actually thinking September may be a good time, give folks time to cobble something together at their leisure.

No, I don't wanna submit "something." 'Cause you're full of crap on doing one, and I've already got a bunch of them in the marketplace and more on the launch pad.

(And I know what it takes to actually do one rather than just pretend doing one--like you just pretend you write stories.)

 

[sr71plt]

So, how's your anthology project coming along, James?

A lot easier to say you can do something like this than actually doing it, right? Just like your claims that you write erotica.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

So, how's your anthology project coming along, James?

A lot easier to say you can do something like this than actually doing it, right? Just like your claims that you write erotica.

I think you want a special invitation, or maybe some money for your wares. Cook up something special and submit it!

 

[sr71plt]

I think you want a special invitation, or maybe some money for your wares. Cook up something special and submit it!

Naw, I just want to keep one of your board techniques front and center--pretending like you are involved in/capable of something that you're not.

 

[CharleyH]

If I do it I plan to let a real editor read the submissions and decide.

Apparently, you missed my sarcasm.

 

[CharleyH]

Let me say it again.

There are literally tons of anthologies out there. I believe many of them require you to pay an application fee, and the anthologies I've read are filled with crap.

So my thinking is: Wouldnt it be cool to read an anthology of well crafted fiction/non-fiction by talented unknowns? NOT pot-luck.

Its not STAR SEARCH or AMERICAN IDOL!

I'm sure that Belegon and Impressive have been there and done that for a few years now, and very well. You should hit them up if your ego can handle it.

 

[sr71plt]

Since JBJ's statement was dredged up again, let me repeat that most anthologies do NOT require a fee for being included in the anthology. Those that do invariably have contests feeding them, and it's the contest that requires the fee, or they are scams.

 

[Guest]

stepping into the hornets nest

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[sr71plt]

I know that several folks would be interested in being published, and all the passion aside from this thread, it might be helpful to just talk about the idea. JBJ, though I like the idea it sounds too nebulous right now. If you try to create an anthology that is open to erotic and non erotic memoir you'll never get an audience. The prudes will complain about the erotica and the regular folk will be bored by the non erotic. Also, what genre's would be included/excluded? A main stream anthology is going to be a vanilla sex thing whereas an open call is going to be like posting in LW. You can't please anyone.

Sr, I do respect your insights and have appreciated comments you've offered on my work, but for the newbies, especially those of us writing in some of the less mainstream areas, it would be helpful to know more about the publishing angle. You seem to have a lot of experience in this area but some of the comments are a bit too quick. Can non mainstream material be published, and if so how and where?

I guess I'm asking for the rhetoric to cool because this might be a really useful thread for those of us who aren't as experienced as either of you.

The only purpose of this thread was for JBJ to establish a connection with publishing that doesn't exist. He's made no substantive suggestions on putting an anthology together at all on this thread.

Anthologies are good ideas and a first step to establishing publishing credits and gaining name exposure. I do a regional one in the mainstream to help writers get publishing credits. This combines work of regional contest winners, established regional authors, and the better works coming out of periodic writing workshops I conduct regionally.

I think a good idea here (and profitable for Lit.) would be if they sponsored--by lending their name--anthologies of stories here on one or more criteria that already exists here--winning stories of contests and/or stories the Lit. editors have given green E's to. There's little profit in it when piecemealed out to the individual authors and doing so would be more work than its worth with little individual profit, so I'd suggest that the only reward to individual authors would be the publishing credit, the chance to work with a professional editor, and exposure. If it's based on contest wins, the author will already have gotten money and submission to the contest could have the contingency that Lit. has the right to publish (if you check their submissions rules, you'll see that Lit. already has this right for anything published in the story file).

I've offered to do one for Lit. before--and have publishers it could go to. But they haven't shown any interest. They've done anthologies in the past themselves but put no effort behind them. They probably were done before the e-book wave brought some profitability to the practice.

I have a good dozen anthologies on my own out there (the launch of one will be announced here as early as this Friday, for instance) and they are profitable now in the e-book realm.

You have to know what you're doing, though, and have an editor who will do it and a publisher who will handle it.

If you want to see an example of a Web site anthology that worked as I noted, PM me, and I'll identify it to you--it's an old one but is still selling on Amazon.com.

JBJ has none of the knowledge needed to do this and doesn't have any intention of actually finding any of that. This thread isn't really about putting together an anthology. He's just playing with anyone he can get to bite on this.

 

[Guest]

thanks

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[sr71plt]

If you want to find out about submissions to anthologies in the mainstream, google "Duotrope Digest" and specify "anthologies" in its search box.