Americans Strikes Terror

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Americans Strike Terror

Good evening. Here is the news.

From The Australian

Terror escalating
By Rodney Dalton, Michelle Gilchrist and Agencies
April 02, 2003

THIRTY-THREE civilians were killed and 310 wounded last night in an allied air raid south of Baghdad, capping off a disastrous day for the coalition's struggle for Iraqi hearts and minds that began with the deaths of seven women and children at the hands of US troops.

As the allied bombing of Baghdad continued for the 13th day, 33 people were killed during the raid on the residential area near Hillah, 80km south of Baghdad.

The first blow for allies came on Monday night when 15 members of one family were killed when a US Apache helicopter destroyed a pick-up truck in which they were fleeing fighting near Hillah.


"Which one of them should I cry on?" said sole survivor Kazem al-Khafaj before throwing sand in his face "so I don't have to see" the bodies of his wife, six children, father, mother, three brothers and their wives.

The International Committee of the Red Cross said early today the bombings south of Baghdad were a "horror" and had left dozens of "smashed corpses".

The most embarrassing blow came yesterday when US soldiers, fearing a suicide bombing, fired on a vehicle that refused to stop at a checkpoint, killing seven women and children.

"We're very concerned about it and very sorry that it happened," 3rd Infantry Division commander Major-General Buford Blount said last night. But US Central Command asserted that the soldiers responsible for the incident at a checkpoint north of Najaf acted within the force's rules of engagement.

The incident occurred about 30km north of the checkpoint where a suicide bomber in a taxi killed four soldiers from the same division on Saturday.

Following Saturday's attack, and Iraqi Vice-President Taha Yassin Ramadan's threat that suicide attacks by "martyrs" were now "routine military policy" for the regime, coalition forces had toughened their checkpoint security and rules of engagement.

The seven deaths – followed only hours later by the killing of an unarmed driver at a US checkpoint outside Shatra, another hot spot about 250km southeast of the capital – have cast a pall over the significant military progress by coalition forces since the weekend.

As Republican Guard units from the north converged on Baghdad to reinforce battered divisions to the south and east of the capital, the city endured its 13th day of aerial bombardment, including direct hits on Saddam Hussein's biggest palace.

The Washington Post reported that yesterday's checkpoint incident happened after a call went out for a warning shot to be fired as a Toyota four-wheel drive packed with 13 civilians became a potential threat.

According to an "embedded" Washington Post reporter close to the action, Captain Ronny Johnston yelled into his radio when he heard no warning shots: "Stop (messing) round." And then: "Stop him, Red 1, stop him." The vehicle was hit by 25mm cannon fire from an M2 Bradley fighting vehicle.

The soldiers found the bodies of seven women and children inside. Four passengers were wounded and two escaped unhurt.
According to The Washington Post, Captain Johnson yelled at a platoon leader: "You just killed a family because you didn't fire a warning shot soon enough."

One soldier said later: "It was the most horrible thing I've ever seen, and I hope I never see it again." A military investigation into the shootings began immediately, but US Central Command cited initial reports to claim the soldiers had "responded in accordance with the rules of engagement to protect themselves".

"In light of recent terrorist attacks by the Iraqi regime, the soldiers exercised considerable restraint to avoid the unnecessary loss of life," the statement said.

Although Captain Johnson was reportedly angry that the warning shots came too late, the platoon leader of Bravo company claimed to have fired two warning shots at the four-wheel drive.

At the Pentagon, Joint Chiefs of Staff vice-chairman General Peter Pace said soldiers would shoot if they felt they were in danger, and this perception had been affected by the Iraqi tactics, which he described as "war crimes".

He defended the US troops. "They absolutely did the right thing – they tried to warn the vehicle, it did not stop."

But the killings will make it hard for coalition forces to persuade civilians they come as liberators, not invaders.

Speaking in Philadelphia before the shooting, George W. Bush had put that message to the Iraqi people. "We are coming with a mighty force to end the reign of your oppressors," the US President said. "We will not stop, we will not relent until your country is free."

But the killings are likely to strengten resistance in Iraq and fuel the mounting anger in Arab countries as thousands of Iraqi expatriates return home vowing their readiness for martyrdom.
Rejecting a demand from US Secretary of State Colin Powell for Syria and Iran to stay out of the war, the Syrian Government said the "brotherly Iraqi people" were facing an "illegitimate and unjustifiable invasion".

Tensions with Iran are certain to worsen as a result of Bush administration hawk John Bolton, the US under- secretary for arms control, putting the threat of Tehran's nuclear weapons program on a par with North Korea's.


Obviously the "liberating AmeriKKKan forces" are doing their best to protect the Iraqi families from the "liberating AmeriKKKan forces" . . . but death is such a permanent solution and definitely not the preferred method.
 
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The numbers aren't even close to the number of Iraqi's that have died at Saddams hand. So what's your point this time ??
 
Meanwhile, back in the Gulf, the trained dolphins have found better things to do than chasse dangerous mines.

From The Australian

Flipper goes AWOL on war duty
By Peter Wilson, Iraq
March 31, 2003

THE US Navy's mine-clearing dolphins have been the surprise media stars of the Iraq war, but they have not exactly won over Australian divers working alongside them.

The polite way to express their scepticism about the mine-clearing skills of the dolphins is to question their reliability and cost efficiency, but there is another way to put it.

"Flipper's f...ed, mate," was how one diver saw things yesterday.
"The dolphins have had all this amazing publicity, but as soon as they put one in the water it shot through. There's a war going on and Flipper goes AWOL.

"He turned up a couple of days later, but in the meantime they had to bring in another one (by helicopter from a US Navy ship) and that meant some of our gear got bumped off the flight."

The handlers of the five dolphins at work in the Iraqi port of Umm Qasr confirmed yesterday that one of their charges, a male named Tacoma, did disappear when he was put in the water to go to work.

"Two days later we found him in the same spot where we put him in the water," said Lieutenant Robert Greene, the officer in charge of the M-7 series of mine-clearing dolphins.

Tacoma was yesterday resting in his holding pool with the navy's oldest dolphin, 33-year-old Makay. Makay has been more diligent in Iraq, perhaps learning from a painful experience when he too took off from duty once in Florida. A shark attacked him during his holiday, leaving him with scars on his back.

Lieutenant Greene said the dolphins had been a great success in Iraq, using their sonar to detect potential mines and placing markers on them to guide human divers to the targets.

The US military has invested tens of millions of dollars in its sea mammal program since 1969, and there has been considerable pressure for it to succeed in Iraq, the dolphins' first mine-clearing deployment in such a war zone.

Some of the Australian and British divers working with the US team in Umm Qasr say they appreciate any help they receive, be it human, mechanical or otherwise, but the sceptics say the dolphins are too unreliable.

"If you put one to work in Sydney Harbour it would mark a million things because it can't tell the difference between a washing machine and a mine," one diver said.

"The bottom line, mate, is it's a fish.

"It's also a very smart fish so how do you know it hasn't just gone off for a feed instead of working and then thought 'hang on, I'd better mark a few things or they won't give me any fish when I get back'?

"We're talking about mines here, so that's a pretty big risk to take based on Flipper's say-so."

Lieutenant Greene said the Atlantic bottlenosed dolphins were not primarily motivated by the promise of food.




Well . . . even the other species think that there are better things to do than conduct a U$-Iraq Imerpialist War of Conquest to Control the Undeveloped Middle East Oil Reserves . . . there must be a message in this article somewhere . . .
 
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I would suggest looking a few other places for your stories too. There are a number of errors in yours.
 
Meanwhile back in the White House, Dubyah Shrub, disguised as a human being, has just been told by Donnie Rumsfeld that AmeriKKKa is not yet suing for peace.

Donnie is reported as saying, "We will fight them on the sand hills, we will fight them in the deserts, we will fight them in the bazaars . . . we will never surrender until the last drop of young AmeriKKKan blood has been spilt for the benefit of the NE military-industrial complex . . . our establishment shareholders demand nothing less . . . our Fundamentalist Christian Crusade against the wicked Saracen who owns all that lovely oil is just and fair for us . . . so why can't the Iraqis see that we only want to impose what is best for them . . . letting AmeriKKKan corporations plunder Iraq's natural resources is only fair seeing how much U$ taxpayers money we have spent with AmeriKKKan corporations invading their country . . ."

But even the military concedes that this could be a longer campaign than Donnie originally predicted.

From The Sydney Morning Herald

US prepared for very high casualties: command official
April 2 2003 SMH

The United States is prepared to pay a "very high price" in terms of casualties to capture Baghdad and oust President Saddam Hussein, a US central command official has said.

"We're prepared to pay a very high price because we are not going to do anything other than ensure that this regime goes away," the official said, adding that US casualties in the war had been "fairly" light.

"If that means there will be a lot of casualties, then there will be a lot of casualties," said the official, who spoke on condition that he not be named.

"There will come a time maybe when things are going to be much more shocking," he said, adding: "In World War II there would be nights when we'd lose 1000 people."

On the 13th day of the war
51 Americans and 26 Britons had been killed and 14 US troops were missing. Iraq said 589 civilians had been killed,
and almost 5000 injured.


In the southern town of Shatra, US marines moved in to recover the body of a dead comrade hanged in the town square.
Hundreds of troops were dispatched on the operation after intelligence reports indicated the body of a dead American, who was killed in a firefight last week, had been paraded through the streets and hanged in public.

"We would like to retrieve the body of the marine but it is not our sole purpose," said Lieutenant-Colonel Pete Owen, of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force.

Military sources said another part of the operation was to arm local militias to fight against members of the ruling Ba'ath party loyal to Saddam.

Shatra is about 40 kilometres north of Nasiriyah, where Iraqi forces have been harassing US supply lines and putting up tough resistance for more than a week.

The US official said the hunt for chemical, biological or nuclear weapons programs had been subordinated to the battle to oust Saddam and his associates.

"We are doing everything we can to look as we go but the primary mission is now to fight," he said. "And so our efforts are dedicated to doing the business that needs to be done to destroy the people that are fighting against us and get our forces where they need to get to."

The official, addressing reporters at the central command's forward headquarters in Qatar, said the net result of reporting by correspondents with the invasion force created the impression of a much more difficult campaign than it was.

The official said there were "an awful lot of ominous signs" that Saddam had prepared his forces to use banned chemical weapons. He said chemical detection equipment, protection suits, new masks and atropine injectors, used to protect against nerve agents, had been found.

He predicted that Saddam would probably mount a "layered" defence of Baghdad, with his best-trained and best-equipped troops, the Republican Guard, arrayed on the outskirts of the city.

Agencies

So that's it folks . . . all young Americans should buy a comfortable bodybag for when your Fundamentalist Chridstian appointed Administration sneds your sons and daughters, brothers and sisters off to fight in the Grand AmeriKKKan Crusade to "liberate the Iraqi oilwells" from the Iraqi people and impose the good ole AmeriKKKan way of life on people who just want to be left alone to do life their own way.

The suggestion of used Chevvy trucks and Sony radioes at least had a profit margin for any free enterprise entrepreneur . . . :)

That ends the news. Good evening :)
 
Let's say Donkeydicksucker is right. Let's say the coalition killed 500-600 Iraqi's. We are no where near Saddam's total.

Hell his oldest son did that over a weekend in a political prison.... for fun.
 
Hanns_Schmidt said:
A rising number of young Aborigines in Australia are
converting to Islam.

Many have embraced the religion for spiritual reasons, while
others insist it gives them a way to escape the oppression
suffered by the country's indigenous population.

Australia's indigenous people are
disadvantaged at almost every
turn.

They are far more likely to be
unemployed or in jail than any
other group.

A small but growing number of
young Aboriginal men are now
turning to Islam, and it is now
estimated there are 1,000
Aboriginal Muslims in Australia,
including new recruits and descendants of mixed marriages.

They say it gives them the inner strength to meet the challenges
facing black Australia.

The majority of Aborigines are Christians, converted by European
settlers.

Indigenous communities first came into contact with Islam more
than 150 years ago when Afghan camel trains helped open up
Australia's harsh interior.

These two vastly different groups - an ancient native people and
Middle Eastern traders - found they shared a similar sense of
spirituality.

Many converts believe the discrimination they endured growing
up as Aborigines has prepared them well for life as a Muslim in
Australia.

Islamic leaders here have complained that abuse, both verbal
and physical, against members of their communities, has risen
since the bomb attacks in Bali at the end of last year. Radical
Muslims are thought to have been responsible for the explosions
that killed 88 Australians.

The experience of indigenous converts is not always positive.
Some have been ostracised by Aboriginal communities who see
them as traitors. Others speak of racism within their adopted
Muslim brotherhood.
Definitely worth repeating

Obviously, Don, in his delusional state missed it the first time around.
 
NEWS FLASH!!! Just in!!

The appointed AmeriKKKan administration is preparing for its second war of the Persidential term by stirring up more trouble in Asia.

From The Australian

US beefs up its S Korea force
By Stephen Lunn, Tokyo
April 02, 2003

THE US will bolster its military muscle in South Korea as tension surrounding communist North Korea and its suspected nuclear weapons program mounts.

Washington's announcement came yesterday as Pyongyang played its own part in escalating security concerns across North Asia by reportedly test-firing a ground-to-ship missile, the third such test in just over a month.

The US military said a number of stealth fighter jets, some F-15 fighters, their crews and a select army taskforce would be drawn from the thousands of military personnel who travelled to the Korean peninsula to conduct month-long land, sea and air exercises alongside South Korean troops. Those exercises end today.

"Extending (the stealth fighters') training time in the Korean theatre of operations affords an excellent opportunity to further enhance inter-operability while also enhancing deterrence," the US military said.

Pyongyang, which has criticised the training as "provocative" and a "preparation for war", will be incensed.

About 37,000 US troops already are stationed near the volatile border between North and South Korea, and the additional presence reinforces Washington's earlier messages that, if necessary, it can conduct military campaigns in both Iraq and the Korean peninsula.

Dozens of US ships also have been redeployed to Guam in recent weeks.

Washington is refusing to engage in direct talks with Pyongyang to discuss the isolated communist state's nuclear program, which includes a recently restarted facility capable of producing weapons-grade plutonium.


North Korea is convinced the Bush administration plans to wage war on it after the Iraq conflict and yesterday accused the US of conducting last month more than 220 spy flights over its territory as a prelude to an attack.

It wants a non-aggression pact with the US and desperately needed economic assistance in exchange for halting its nuclear program. But the Bush administration is demanding the program be "completely and verifiably" dismantled as a pre-condition to talks.

In what is seen as a further effort to grab Washington's attention and deliver a message to Japan after Tokyo launched a spy satellite last week designed to keep tabs on North Korea, Pyongyang test-fired its third anti-ship missile this year.
Unlike the previous two tests that flew into the Sea of Japan, Japan initially said yesterday's missile landed in the sea about 60km off North Korea's west coast towards China but later played down the incident by refusing to confirm it.

US State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said yesterday Washington had imposed sanctions against a North Korean firm and a Pakistani company for swapping missile components in exchange for expertise in developing a nuclear program.
Pakistan has vehemently denied the allegations.



Next stop Korea . . . I hope that AmeriKKKa starts the next Korean War in time for winter . . . the aussie wool growers will make a fortune again . . . and it would be some compensation for the restrictive trade tariffs put in place against aussie lamb products to protect vested Congressional innterests . . . :)
 
Gil_Favor said:
Definitely worth repeating

Obviously, Don, in his delusional state missed it the first time around.

Ah, Mr Favor . . . I did not miss this interesting article . . . there are some posters that I deliberatly ignore . . . but to comment on your obvious concerns.

Massacres of aboriginals occurred in Oz well into the twentieth century, on both the east coast and in the NorthWest Kimberley region.

White Australia has a very Black History when it comes to the indigenous peoples. Having tried unsuccessfully to kill them off with diseases, alcohol, venereal disease, poisoned flour and waterholes, the new sport is dispossession.

The wonderful thing about our comon law system is the flexibility that you can discover in it. At present the Oz High Court has successfully dispossessed most aboriginals of their homelands, and is working assiduously to eliminate all vestiges of native title rights on any real property under freehold or leasehold title.

But this hot topic would be better discussed in a thread of its own, where I would be delighted to inform you how 200 years of British title theft is paramount to over 40,000 years of native customary title. :)
 
HeavyStick said:
Let's say Donkeydicksucker is right. Let's say the coalition killed 500-600 Iraqi's. We are no where near Saddam's total.

Hell his oldest son did that over a weekend in a political prison.... for fun.
I mentioned this on another thread, but it's worth repeating: At the rate we're going, even given the highest estimates of casualties (and they vary greatly) and assuming the disputed actions are our fault (which they're probably not), in order to get up to the one million deaths Saddam's got on his record, the war would have to last fifty years.

TB4p
 
teddybear4play said:
I mentioned this on another thread, but it's worth repeating: At the rate we're going, even given the highest estimates of casualties (and they vary greatly) and assuming the disputed actions are our fault (which they're probably not), in order to get up to the one million deaths Saddam's got on his record, the war would have to last fifty years.

TB4p

Come on TB . . . the civilian casualties are mere guesses and probably short a couple of zeroes . . . but heck, what's a couple thousand dead Arabs between Republican Rednecks . . .

you must have really been thrilled by the pics yesterday of a small Iraqi child with both feet blown off . . . maybe you too will get the chance to feel like a man with no feet after you get drafted to replace the expected enormous casualties that Rotten Ronnie has directed the U$ military to take . . . can't trust those civilian governments to know how to run a good ole war . . . :)

Don't forget your comfortable bodybag . . . :)

TB . . . who is Peter Arnett, where did he go and why??
 
Someone got a scrub-brush? Please do some gene cleansing on Don Da Dick.
 
Don K Dyck said:
Come on TB . . . the civilian casualties are mere guesses and probably short a couple of zeroes . . . but heck, what's a couple thousand dead Arabs between Republican Rednecks . . .
Actually, they're from here: Iraq Body Count. It only takes something from official news sources, but there's a variety of them (including at least one Oz, I'm pretty sure), and they still settle for estimates, so long as they're printed. Not perfect, but I'd bet my house that their estimate (565-724) is a hell of a lot closer than your flippant remark that they're a couple zeroes short.

With a campaign that is mostly built on nighttime bombing raids of military targets, I'd like to know where we could get to the 60,000 neighborhood so quickly.

Don K Dyck said:
you must have really been thrilled by the pics yesterday of a small Iraqi child with both feet blown off . . .
Didn't see it.

But perhaps you'll enjoy hearing about one of my friends from school who's at Rammstein AFB in Germany. He only survived because a fellow Corspman gave him a field tracheotomy. Last I heard, he still needed a ventilator to breathe.

I bet all the stories of how the Hussein regime tortures people make you cream your shorts, too.

Don K Dyck said:
maybe you too will get the chance to feel like a man with no feet after you get drafted to replace the expected enormous casualties that Rotten Ronnie has directed the U$ military to take . . . can't trust those civilian governments to know how to run a good ole war . . . :)

Don't forget your comfortable bodybag . . . :)
Blah blah blah. You know as much about the American military as I know about Australian sports. You've proven as much already, and history will more fully bear out your complete ignorance.

And yes, I do trust them. Thanks. Go bitch at John Howard.

Who the hell is Rotten Ronnie?

Don K Dyck said:
TB . . . who is Peter Arnett, where did he go and why??
Peter Arnett is a "journalist," and I use that term loosely, who was canned by an American television network and National Geographic magazine after getting caught on Iraqi TV praising the hell out of the Iraqis. Purple Haze started a thread about him somewhere.

The comparison to your "newscast" seemed obvious.

TB4p
 
Bob_Bytchin said:
Someone got a scrub-brush? Please do some gene cleansing on Don Da Dick.

Only if the brush has wire bristles... and if there's a tanker full of Dettol handy!

(I don't know if you have Dettol in the US - if not, it's an antiseptic/disinfectant - and it doesn't feel very nice in scratches such as a wire brush would leave...)
 
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