Am I wrong in thinking this way??

[John Doe]

Pretty much all your posts from the first page of this thread. It'd just be easier to let you know when you've stopped.

Why do you still care? No one agrees with you. Either say something helpful or leave me alone.

 

[MintSoda]

Why do you still care? No one agrees with you. Either say something helpful or leave me alone.

I thought you were the one claiming we said the same thing...so according to you, you agree with me. Not to mention I'm not the first person on this thread to say you're a jerk and I've seen several other threads where people said the exact same thing. To be completely accurate everyone agrees with me including you.

 

[John Doe]

I thought you were the one claiming we said the same thing...so according to you, you agree with me. Not to mention I'm not the first person on this thread to say you're a jerk and I've seen several other threads where people said the exact same thing. To be completely accurate everyone agrees with me including you.

Wow, those logical acrobatics are entertaining.

I agree with you on the issue at hand, back when you were still discussing it anyway, and you know that.

You're the only erson on the thread to say I'm a jerk. But then you're also the only person in this thread to give up discussing the ISSUE i favor of flaming and harassing someone else, and soI'M the jerk? And I'd like to see these other threads you're talking about. You probably misinterpreted what they said. Even so, several people out of several hundred isn't uch to be upset about.

 

[MintSoda]

Wow, those logical acrobatics are entertaining.

I agree with you on the issue at hand, back when you were still discussing it anyway, and you know that.

You're the only erson on the thread to say I'm a jerk. But then you're also the only person in this thread to give up discussing the ISSUE i favor of flaming and harassing someone else, and soI'M the jerk? And I'd like to see these other threads you're talking about. You probably misinterpreted what they said. Even so, several people out of several hundred isn't uch to be upset about.

Well I'm not the only one, you seem to have abandoned discussion of the issue as well. What's more you said nobody agrees with me, and now you're saying you and several people do, so which is it? If you're going to run around flaming people and insulting them at least keep your stories straight.

 

[John Doe]

Well I'm not the only one, you seem to have abandoned discussion of the issue as well.

No, I've been discussing it with lilevilpunk all along.

What's more you said nobody agrees with me, and now you're saying you and several people do, so which is it?

Okay, I guess this distinction is difficult for you to grasp, but try to divorce your opinion of me personally (or anyone else's for that matter) from the actual topic of this thread. When I say that no one else has said I'm a jerk in this thread, I am in no way saying that no one agrees with you on the ISSUE.

If you're going to run around flaming people and insulting them at least keep your stories straight.

That's a mighty big if. Who flamed in this thread? Besides you I mean. And you have been insulting far more than any of the rest of the posters to this thread combined.

In any case, this is boring and I'm done discussing it.

 

[MintSoda]

You are an idiot.

Calling people idiots? That's not flaming in your book? What really is funny is when you combine that post you made with this one...

Yes, you are wrong in thinking this way. You are an immature, insecure (hey that rhymes!) hyporcite. Grow up or divorce him.

You call people a hypocrite and then you are one. Claiming you didn't flame anyone. I just went to your first two posts and found two examples of you being a flamer and a hypocrite.

Little hint here buddy, this is a thread, not a conversation. I can go back to anything you said and throw it right back at you verbatim. There is no plausible deniability here, if you said it, it can be quoted directly. So don't go around calling people idiots and hypocrites, claiming anyone else is immature, and swearing (which you also did and I could go pull those up too) and then claim you're not flaming. All that makes you is a liar on top of all your other socially inept problems.

 

[MintSoda]

If you were gullible enough to get divorced based solely on the advice of a stranger on the Internet, you'd be too stupid to be married anyway.

And I suggest you pull your head out of your ass

Well, you're conducting yourself like a contrary ass right now.

Get fucking real.

I don't give a shit about being a "real man"

I suggest you finish removing your head from your butt before getting off your high horse


You are a hypocrite.

Well there it is, a nice collection of you swearing for no reason, calling people idiots, saying people are hypocrites, being just a generally great guy, and that's a collection from just this thread. I could go to other threads and find even more examples of you being a foul mouthed flamer. So how about this, you tuck your little tail between your little legs and don't come back until you learn how to be a civilized human being.

Did your mother really raise you this way? I just have to ask. Did your mother say to you when you were a child "If you have something to say be sure to be abusive and swear a lot." I don't think she did.

 

[Brinnie]

There are no wrong thoughts.

 

[John Doe]

I can't beleive I'm coming back to this but I fel I should defend myself.

Calling people idiots? That's not flaming in your book?

No, it's not. No one else has a problem with it. If it bothers you so much, report me. Anyone else who has a problem with it can report me too.

You call people a hypocrite and then you are one. Claiming you didn't flame anyone. I just went to your first two posts and found two examples of you being a flamer and a hypocrite.

That's because I didn't flame anyone. I don't know how you define flaming but you seem to have the wrong idea. Meerely insulting someone isn't necessarily flaming.

I don't sugarcoat things, I call them how I see them and lilevilpunk shouldn't have posted the thead if she didn't want people's opinions. She doesn't have nearly as muc of a problem with what I've said as you do, so why do you even care? If it bothers you that much put me on Ignore. If I am a flamer and a hypocrite, your criticism is not going to change my evil ways.

Oh and BTW, I didn't call people a hypocrite, I called one person a hypocrite. I don't recall anyone disagreeing with that assessment, even you or herself for that matter. Have you even bothered to read any more of her posts? Or any of mine beyond the first page?

Little hint here buddy, this is a thread, not a conversation. I can go back to anything you said and throw it right back at you verbatim. There is no plausible deniability here, if you said it, it can be quoted directly.

Yes I am aware of this. Perhaps if you took advantage of this handy feature you'd actually understand what I'm saying.

So don't go around calling people idiots and hypocrites, claiming anyone else is immature, and swearing (which you also did and I could go pull those up too) and then claim you're not flaming. All that makes you is a liar on top of all your other socially inept problems.

And don't go around misrepresenting my words. Quote where I called people idiots in this thread. You won't be able to because I do not insult groups of people in one fell swoop.

As for swearing, this is a porn board, not Bible study.

 

[MintSoda]

You never answered the question, was this how your mother raised you? Did your mother raise you to be foul mouthed and insulting for no reason? A simple yes or no will do.

 

[John Doe]

Well there it is, a nice collection of you swearing for no reason,

I always swear for a reason. Emphasis or because I'm perturbed, or what have you. SO I said fuck a few times. Are there any shrinking violets here who have been trauatized by my rough language? I doubt it.

calling people idiots,

No.

saying people are hypocrites,

Again, no. You continue to exaggerate and generalize. To what end?

being just a generally great guy, and that's a collection from just this thread. I could go to other threads and find even more examples of you being a foul mouthed flamer.

Be my guest.

So how about this, you tuck your little tail between your little legs and don't come back until you learn how to be a civilized human being.

I've been far more civil than you have. You've insulted me several times in this post alone, and yet you are saying I'm the flamer here?

Did your mother really raise you this way? I just have to ask. Did your mother say to you when you were a child "If you have something to say be sure to be abusive and swear a lot." I don't think she did.

You're confusing my mother with yours.

 

[John Doe]

You never answered the question, was this how your mother raised you? Did your mother raise you to be foul mouthed and insulting for no reason? A simple yes or no will do.

So I didn't answer it. Why is it so important to you that you can't wait until I get to your next post?

You've done far more insulting in this thread than the rest of us combined.

Would you please count for me the number of words I've used that you consider maledictions, then count the number of other words I've used? You may compare them in either percentage or ratio form.

Oh and please give your definition of the word 'flamer.'

 

[MintSoda]

So I didn't answer it. Why is it so important to you that you can't wait until I get to your next post?

You've done far more insulting in this thread than the rest of us combined.

Would you please count for me the number of words I've used that you consider maledictions, then count the number of other words I've used? You may compare them in either percentage or ratio form.

Oh and please give your definition of the word 'flamer.'

So you're overly wordy sometimes, I don't see dillution as a remedy for your lack of manners.

I only asked about your mother because if she did raise you to act like this perhaps I should be talking to her about it instead of you, but it's pretty obvious you decided long ago you were just going to be a prick to people for no apparent reason. I'm sure your parents are very proud of how you turned out.

 

[John Doe]

So you're overly wordy sometimes, I don't see dillution as a remedy for your lack of manners.

Nor is self-delusion a remedy for yours.

I only asked about your mother because if she did raise you to act like this perhaps I should be talking to her about it instead of you,

No, you brought my mother into it to be insulting.

but it's pretty obvious I decided long ago I was just going to be a prick to people for no apparent reason.

Apparently so.

I'm sure your parents are very proud of how you turned out.

They are actually. Are yours? Oh sorry, someone probably just found you under a rock.

 

[MintSoda]

And once again you have to turn to insults...that really is sad. Hey, we're right back to me feeling sorry for you.

 

[John Doe]

And once again you have to turn to insults...that really is sad.

Yeah, I insulted you. But it's obvious even to you that you never even turned away from them. So nanny nanny boo-boo.

Hey, we're right back to me feeling sorry for you.

I'm crushed. Oops, is that another insult? Nope, just sarcasm. Some say its the lowest for of humor, but at least it's humor, your sense of which was surgically removed as a child I suspect.

 

[MintSoda]

Yeah, I insulted you. But it's obvious even to you that you never even turned away from them. So nanny nanny boo-boo.



I'm crushed. Oops, is that another insult? Nope, just sarcasm. Some say its the lowest for of humor, but at least it's humor, your sense of which was surgically removed as a child I suspect.

No, I genuinely feel sorry for you, no sarcasm or insults, just pity.

 

[John Doe]

No, I genuinely feel sorry for you, no sarcasm or insults, just pity.

I meant I was being sarcastic, but I guess English isn't your first language. You speak it very well just the same.

BTW, what I just did was insult you, but disguised it as an offhanded compliment.

Oh and for good measure, your sperm have low motility, but if you have children, they will be deformed.

Oops, forgot to swear: Fuckshit.

There, covered all the bases.

 

[MintSoda]

I meant I was being sarcastic, but I guess English isn't your first language. You speak it very well just the same.

BTW, what I just did was insult you, but disguised it as an offhanded compliment.

Oh and for good measure, your sperm have low motility, but if you have children, they will be deformed.

Oops, forgot to swear: Fuckshit.

There, covered all the bases.

Maybe you need to practice on the insults and the sarcasm, you're really not getting either across very well. Oh, and you're boring, so I'm leaving, have fun talking to yourself kiddo.

 

[John Doe]

Maybe you need to practice on the insults and the sarcasm, you're really not getting either across very well. Oh, and you're boring, so I'm leaving, have fun talking to yourself kiddo.

 

[Meat Whistler]

I haven't read the entire thing because I sense most of it was boring. I would suggest expressing your honest feelings to your husband. This type of situation requires intense communication and you really shouldn't do something you don't want to do, in this regard.

 

[Northcountryguy]

just my opinion

Ok I have a problem... I am Bi and my husband and I were discussing have a 4some with a \nother MF couple. We have already done the whole FFM thing and really enjoyed ourselves. However, he wanted to swap wives and screw the other chick while I was with the other guy. I hate the idea of watching my husband do that! I am not necessarily fond of the idea of me being with the other mane either; however I would do it if that is what he wanted. I am anextremely jealous person when it comes down to it and I feel that when a man sticks his "member" inside some one else (other than their mouths) they should be together, I consider it something special. He says that he doesnt feel the same way because the other two people would be mearly playtoys...I dont know what to do. I REALLY would like to have another couple involved as long as she got screwed by her man and I got screwed by mine. Your advice would be greatly appreciated....THANKS

Having been involved with another couple from the perspective of having a bi relationship with the husband, but with the full knowledge of our wives, I can say that every time another person is added into the mix of a relationship, the potential problems and difficuties seem to increase exponentially. It becomes especially difficult when any one member is doing it because "that is what he wanted."

If you feel any hesitation, any sense of reluctance, stay true to your feelings and say no, plain and simple. If your relationship with your husband is as good as you say it is, then he will understand and respect that, even if he wants to do something else. There is nothing worse than doing something for the other persons "benefit", when you really don't want to do it, because down the road somewhere it will come back to haunt you.

That's just my opinion based on my own experience. Hope this helps.

 

[---E---]

wow a lot of opinions

I read the first page and half way down the second, then I was like "Holy Shit." It was conforting, violent and everywhere in between. I don't know the answer and I did not read the last 1 and a half pages, but it sounds like you have a good thing going. Respect each other, discuss the boundries, and then go with them. If the situation deems then change them or change them next time. How amazing would it be to go further every time? Like starting sex all over! First time....just this far, then you and your husband. Next time a little further---with of course a lot of discussion in between-(inbetween the sheets??? even better) then a little further. You get the point. You are very lucky to be able to discuss and then share these things, do not lose that!

 

[---E---]

PS I'm dying to know what your icon says. I just can't make it out. A little help...

 

[Mallory69]

right: no, wrong: no , confused: very

Boy you sure are presenting a sort of paradox aren't you. You state that you wish to enjoy the physical/sexual pleasures of another woman but your husband cannot. Supposing he were to say to you he wanted to get it on with another man but you were to only observe, how would you respond to that. How is it that some people only think of their own (I dare to use the word selfish) needs and have their partners succumb to their wishes? You might ask yourself what is it about this that makes it alright for you to have your pleasure but he not his. He is willing to let you have a sexual relation with another man so he is at least trying to find middle ground. Supposing now you told him you wanted a to invite a couple and enjoy both while he could'nt enjoy either and only was allowed to watch? Being in a relationship is a lot of give and take. It is unfortunate that some take more than others and some give more than others. You might wish to seek the advice of a sex therapist who could help you to find the underlying issues of your duplicity (another word I dare to use.) and your jealousy. If you cannot resolve these issues you may just have to leave all of these things to your imagination and not actually engage in the activity. Then again how will either of you know that after all is discussed, either or both of you might stray from the marriage without the knowlege (sp?) of the other?

I would suggest that you both have a real serious discussion and try to resolve this before you go any further.

I hope that this helps.
Please do not take the words that I dared to use as being malicious or rude as they were not meant to be.

Mallory


BTW you failed to give us any clue as to what transpired when you did the FFM thing. Was he allowed to participate in any way then? If so why do you now have an issue with him and another Married woman. Furthermore, he did state the other couple would be just play toys, and some of the others here took an offense( for lack of another word) to that. Isnt that in essence what you are doing? Is there more to you having the pleasures of another woman than just sex? if it is just a sexual thing then You might ask yourself what makes it alright for you to have your sexual needs satisfied and not his.