Alpha Males are a Myth!

[TxRad]

Prolly the best way to recognize an alpha is to see who answers the door when the wolf or the Devil comes knocking.

Alpha maybe, smart and alive, not so much.

 

[3113]

Alpha maybe, smart and alive, not so much.

And not passing on the alpha genes because of that Maybe that's why there's so few alphas. They die before they can leave off-spring.

 

[3113]

They're few and far between. That's called the exception to the rule.

If there are exceptions then it can't be a rule

And I'm sure there are enough that we can find one for you.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

If there are exceptions then it can't be a rule

And I'm sure there are enough that we can find one for you.

Don't need one. But I've got an adopted son who will have to contest with all the other men around him to achieve dominant status.

My 3 daughters, fortunately, won't have that burden.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Don't need one. But I've got an adopted son who will have to contest with all the other men around him to achieve dominant status.

My 3 daughters, fortunately, won't have that burden.

He doesn't have to contest with men at all. He can concentrate his efforts on establishing himself with women.

Catbird seat!

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

LJ R.Has it ever occurred to you that through the threats and illustrations attached to your sig. that you are declaring to the readership that you desperately aspire to the (your?) idea of alpha - and fall very well short of your aspiration.

You aspire to have passable reading skills, but you fall very well short of that.

My sig says don't bother threatening me, because it's never going to deter me and you're never going to try to carry it out. And that is completely true.

In real life I simply dismiss alpha males. I'm no Mitt Romney but with my money I can afford to ignore their attempts at dominance.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

He doesn't have to contest with men at all. He can concentrate his efforts on establishing himself with women.

Catbird seat!

Wannabe-dominant males will try to bully and dominate him. They will try to force a physical, mental or other kind of fight to show who's the baddest or who's boss. They always do. That's how they become dominant, in most cases - by overwhelming other males. Why else, in the animal kingdom, do you see kangaroos boxing, or animals with antlers who lock horns in battles?

Males fight over females. Only among humans do you ever occasionally see females fighting over men - and only the most high-worth men, at that.

The only hope for a male is to go ubermensch - to consciously recognize the struggle for dominance as a petty affair engaged in by instinctually-driven animals, and to get high above the fray, to render it irrelevant to one's life. It's the ultimate form of catbird seat.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Holy shit, I just took a look at reloaded's profile, which shows me his signature. Dude, you have about a mile and a half of bumperstickers going there.

People like him-- and the twinkling gifs of unicorns and leprechauns -- are why I turned sigs off in my preferences.
You can do it too, if you want-- here; http://forum.literotica.com/profile.php?do=editoptions

We now return you to the testosterone water pistol fight.

 

[TxRad]

Holy shit, I just took a look at reloaded's profile, which shows me his signature. Dude, you have about a mile and a half of bumperstickers going there.

People like him-- and the twinkling gifs of unicorns and leprechauns -- are why I turned sigs off in my preferences.
You can do it too, if you want-- here; http://forum.literotica.com/profile.php?do=editoptions

We now return you to the testosterone water pistol fight.

Do dykes get into these kinds of pissing contests?

Inquiring minds and all that.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Do dykes get into these kinds of pissing contests?

Inquiring minds and all that.

Oh yeah. Anywhere there are more than three people two of them will start jockeying for position. Male, female, neuter, doesn't matter.

I've noticed something amusing about being the hyena killer; my girlfriend locked us out of her house a while back, but there was a window that could be jiggled open wide enough to climb in. She brought over a lawn chair to make it easier for me, and stood back in an admiring pose while I showed that window who was boss.

Thing was, the lawn chair was old and rotten, and my foot went through the fucking thing. But it wasn't rotten enough to like, break apart, so my damn boot was caught in the plastic mesh-- and Miss Princess was busy watching me kill the hyena and didn't even think about coming to MY rescue. So, I lifted the whole damn thing up, via one mighty (and somewhat out of shape) thigh muscle, to where I could reach it with my hand-- the one that wasn't hanging on to the inside of the window sill for dear life-- and push it off my foot so I could, at last, fall on my ass inside the house.

Alpha, yeah right.

 

[TxRad]

Oh yeah. Anywhere there are more than three people two of them will start jockeying for position. Male, female, neuter, doesn't matter.

I've noticed something amusing about being the hyena killer; my girlfriend locked us out of her house a while back, but there was a window that could be jiggled open wide enough to climb in. She brought over a lawn chair to make it easier for me, and stood back in an admiring pose while I showed that window who was boss.

Thing was, the lawn chair was old and rotten, and my foot went through the fucking thing. But it wasn't rotten enough to like, break apart, so my damn boot was caught in the plastic mesh-- and Miss Princess was busy watching me kill the hyena and didn't even think about coming to MY rescue. So, I lifted the whole damn thing up, via one mighty (and somewhat out of shape) thigh muscle, to where I could reach it with my hand-- the one that wasn't hanging on to the inside of the window sill for dear life-- and push it off my foot so I could, at last, fall on my ass inside the house.

Alpha, yeah right.

Ah yes, I remember that scenario. Only in my case it was a plastic patio chair whose leg folded. I'm hanging half in and half out with a brick wall to get traction on with cowboy boots. I finally get a bite and headfirst through the window and headfirst into the planter stand with the 27 dozen cacti on it.

Yeah right, next time we break the glass in the front door.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

That's why I keep a spare key in the safe in the shop . . .

 

[xssve]

What I read reports that in some species of mammals the females do cuckold the alpha male. But these females have the same problem with the other males, who kill cubs, too.

Nobody said there were no psychotic bullies, merely that it appears to be no particular advantage in terms of reproductive potential, thus no alpha.

Eating a rivals children for example, particularly smacks of petulant loser desperation.

 

[xssve]

Good points, absolutely. In addition to “it’s not swagger that makes a good leader” it has to be said “it’s not all about leading, either.” And beyond even that, “there’s a limit to how much one should generalize from animals to humans.”

Primates are political animals, and the Alpha tends to change with necessity - sometimes it's the strong one, sometimes it's the smart one - alpha hierarchies are a group behavior, thus all about group fitness.

Alpha male mythos is just that: a mythos designed to preserve certain advantages for an alpha group, long after they have served their purpose, a camouflage for opportunism.

i.e., the economy has evolved past the need for labor intensive man/muscle power, a woman can operate a computer as easily as a man, so you get get a backlash from guys who are afraid they won't be able to find a bitch to cook and clean and fetch beers for them.

The real advantage of the stereotypical physically aggressive alpha when it comes to reproduction is nutrition, since they often tend to beat the others up and take their food.

Prisons are full of "Alphas".

And yeah, this is largely because the biggest, strongest Alpha males are basically the defensive line when it comes to protecting the group from predators, the price of the privilege.

Which is why all those republican Chickenhawk's are looking particularly repugnant - they want the privilege while duping somebody else into paying the price.

 

[3113]

The real advantage of the stereotypical physically aggressive alpha when it comes to reproduction is nutrition, since they often tend to beat the others up and take their food.

Interesting, isn't it, that (some beefcake gents aside) the male that most young girls go for isn't the guy who looks like he's going to beat up others and take their food. Example:

http://collegecandy.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/edward-v-jacob.png

Beefcake Jacob there certainly has his rabid fans--otherwise he wouldn't be without his shirt there are, however, as many if not more female fans clamoring for pale, skinny brooding Edward there. He certainly doesn't look like he'd be able to take anyone's food away from them and share said food with his chosen female.

This evidence seems to be against the "rule" there that girls always go for the alpha--at least if we view "alpha" males from the purely physical aspect. The most desirable females (teens and twenty-somethings) tend to scream, faint and put images of up on their walls of men who aren't what we would designate as "alpha" in appearance. From Frank Sinatra to David Bowie and to Edward there, most young ladies seem to eschew the brawny alpha in favor of skinny and androgynous types that, at first glance at least, we'd label "betas."

One wonders if this is in tune with the technological evolution you mention, or if it's always been but wasn't usually so clear because in more brutal times the brawny Jacobs simply crushed the skinny Edwards and took Bella for themselves Now that civilization (sic) allows for Bella to choose, Edward has a chance of holding onto Bella?

 

[ProxyAccount]

One wonders if this is in tune with the technological evolution you mention, or if it's always been but wasn't usually so clear because in more brutal times the brawny Jacobs simply crushed the skinny Edwards and took Bella for themselves Now that civilization (sic) allows for Bella to choose, Edward has a chance of holding onto Bella?

Or it could be that celebrity/popularity is another way that females measure suitability. There's also the social pressure issue as well. Also, keep in mind that the fictional character depicted was very powerful as well.

Current behavioral studies dealing with attraction indicate that women, particularly ovulating women, are particularly attracted to masculine features--features that are indicative of higher levels of free-testosterone. So there are physiological issues at play, as well.