Al Sharpton

[jeninflorida]

Does anyone know what he is getting ready for? I over heard the last seconds of an interview and he has a legal team that is prepared to challenge the elections. What for - this time?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Does anyone know what he is getting ready for? I over heard the last seconds of an interview and he has a legal team that is prepared to challenge the elections. What for - this time?

I think it's because of the use of electronic(computers) voting machines that it's being rigged so the Republicans will win the election or it's in some way disinfranchising the black voter. At least that's what I heard on the radio.

 

[jeninflorida]

I think it's because of the use of electronic(computers) voting machines that it's being rigged so the Republicans will win the election or it's in some way disinfranchising the black voter. At least that's what I heard on the radio.

grrr, back in 2000...it was the same voting machine that people used for the past 10 or so years...so why did it become a problem in 2000? not sure how people missed that part.

it is kind of freaky, that most of the new electronic voting machines have zero paper trail or backup...isn't it bad enough that its the attorney's who are in office, and now attorney's might decide the next election?

 

[oggbashan]

Free and Fair elections

All elections in the western democracies are supposed to be 'free and fair'.

The UN sends observers to try to ensure that elections in African states for example are free from coercion, threat or bribery.

A country can complain to the UN that another country's elections are not 'free and fair' and the UN can investigate and possibly ask that the election be re-run. England is the subject of such an investigation because of misuse of postal voting in local government (City Hall) elections. There are also legal cases continuing.

The point of complaining is that the complaining country can claim that their elections are 'freer and fairer' than the country they are complaining about. Therefore the complaint's government has international legitimacy...

I would not be surprised if there are several complaints to the UN about teh forthcoming US elections. If so, that will embarrass the administration.

Og

PS. The UK government's response to proven allegations that postal voting was abused - to extend postal voting with even fewer safeguards. They know that their voters are less likely to go to a polling station than the opposition.

 

[jeninflorida]

I can't wait for someone to bring up, that illegal immagrants are not allowed to vote....dont they have the right?

All elections in the western democracies are supposed to be 'free and fair'.

The UN sends observers to try to ensure that elections in African states for example are free from coercion, threat or bribery.

A country can complain to the UN that another country's elections are not 'free and fair' and the UN can investigate and possibly ask that the election be re-run. England is the subject of such an investigation because of misuse of postal voting in local government (City Hall) elections. There are also legal cases continuing.

The point of complaining is that the complaining country can claim that their elections are 'freer and fairer' than the country they are complaining about. Therefore the complaint's government has international legitimacy...

I would not be surprised if there are several complaints to the UN about teh forthcoming US elections. If so, that will embarrass the administration.

Og

PS. The UK government's response to proven allegations that postal voting was abused - to extend postal voting with even fewer safeguards. They know that their voters are less likely to go to a polling station than the opposition.

 

[oggbashan]

I can't wait for someone to bring up, that illegal immagrants are not allowed to vote....dont they have the right?

If they are illegal - no they don't. They have the right to vote in their country of origin but not in the US.

If they are legal it depends on their status. They can be resident but alien e.g. an Englishman living in the US who intends to return home. If they are now US citizens then they have the right to vote and any obstacle put in their way when they want to register to vote and to actually vote is illegal under international as well as US laws.

Og

Edited for PS: In the UK, alien residents can vote in some local government (City Hall) elections because they are resident even if they are actually nationals of another country. They cannot vote in National elections for members of parliament.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I can't wait for someone to bring up, that illegal immagrants are not allowed to vote....dont they have the right?

No they don't, not being "Citizens" precludes them from voting, at least that's the way it's supposed to work. But as we all know, in Chicago you can vote even if your dead.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

grrr, back in 2000...it was the same voting machine that people used for the past 10 or so years...so why did it become a problem in 2000? not sure how people missed that part.

it is kind of freaky, that most of the new electronic voting machines have zero paper trail or backup...isn't it bad enough that its the attorney's who are in office, and now attorney's might decide the next election?

Most of the electronic voting machines do have a paper trail but, some will say that the voting machines are now subject to hackers.

 

[jeninflorida]

No they don't, not being "Citizens" precludes them from voting, at least that's the way it's supposed to work. But as we all know, in Chicago you can vote even if your dead.

wait....i thought in Chicago you could vote as often as need be, till you achieved the results desired....

I know that the afl-cio was trying to organize different illegal workers....

 

[Athena_e19]

My home state, WA, had a butcher job of a gubernatorial election last time round. Felons, who are not allowed to vote, voted. Dead people voted. Unregistered voters voted. People who don't exist voted (including both Mickey and Minnie Mouse). The first two voting tallies went to Rossi by a minimum of 150 votes. Then they went to Christine Gregoire on the third (interestingly enough her party controlled the county vote tally which had the most voter fraud) and she was the one who received the bulk of the fake votes. Course the state Attorney General, also her party, decided that the matter was final on the third vote.

If I remember right, in rock paper scissors, 2-1 would win.

 

[jeninflorida]

is any of this stuff new? i'm sure if one looks back 100 years, we would see the same thing.

My home state, WA, had a butcher job of a gubernatorial election last time round. Felons, who are not allowed to vote, voted. Dead people voted. Unregistered voters voted. People who don't exist voted (including both Mickey and Minnie Mouse). The first two voting tallies went to Rossi by a minimum of 150 votes. Then they went to Christine Gregoire on the third (interestingly enough her party controlled the county vote tally which had the most voter fraud) and she was the one who received the bulk of the fake votes. Course the state Attorney General, also her party, decided that the matter was final on the third vote.

If I remember right, in rock paper scissors, 2-1 would win.

 

[oggbashan]

In the UK, elections are conducted by council employees. The counting is monitored by representatives of the political parties and the press can be present. The ballot paper is that - a piece of paper with a reference number issued only to someone present in person.

No elected person can be involved with the process, nor can a party official enter the polling booth.

Any complaints about the procedures are dealt with by an independent judiciary.

It isn't perfect, but it is more obviously fair (except for the recent changes on postal voting which are open to abuse and have been abused).

Og

 

[TheeGoatPig]

grrr, back in 2000...it was the same voting machine that people used for the past 10 or so years...so why did it become a problem in 2000? not sure how people missed that part.

it is kind of freaky, that most of the new electronic voting machines have zero paper trail or backup...isn't it bad enough that its the attorney's who are in office, and now attorney's might decide the next election?

Actually, the machines in Florida had mistakes like that made in every election. It only became an issue in the world media because it was such a close race that the mistakes made a difference.

 

[Athena_e19]

Most European states and countries like Japan have a civil bureaucracy that you are appointed to for life by a non-political office. They manage most of the voting guidelines and counts.... But in the US, we just HAVE to elect somebody to everything.

 

[3113]

I can't wait for someone to bring up, that illegal immagrants are not allowed to vote....dont they have the right?

Funny you should mention this. There's a large brouhaha over an election for represenative in a district where the GOP candidate (actually one of his workers) mailed out letters to everyone with a Hispanic surname, pointedly reminding them that if they were immigrants, and not legalized citizens, they could not vote.

The candidate insists that the mailers offered correct information, and he's not going to apologize for what this worker did. The problem that he doesn't seem to recognize is that he singled out Hispanic surnames--yet he's in a district that has a lot of Chinese immigrants as well.

Then again, it would probably have been a bad idea for the worker to mail out such things even if there's been no other type of immigrants in the district--put such a reminder note on all mailers and fliers if you like, as a way of offering voter info and indicating your views on illegal immigration/voter fraud; but to single out a group and mail such things deliberately is pretty tacky