Ain't No Time for Hate

[A Desert Rose]

You know, I've been thinking about this. I've gotten PM's flaming me for being a feminist. I've been told to leave the country because I'm a loser on this thread, because I believe in a more compassionate fiscal direction. I've been called filthy names because I have liberal leanings. I've had my destruction as a Zionist pig be called for on the GB.

The upshot, is that I don't really bother with the GB because relatively intelligent argumentative threads get overrun by mentally ill people with no communications skills quickly. As for the rest, such is life. It's not that different from anywhere else I go.

2 of those 3 examples were about people on this board. Only one about the GB.

I stopped posting or reading the GB, long ago.

 

[Netzach]

And you have thcker skin than I have. I admire that.

I don't say those things on threads or in PM. to anyone. ever. I would expect the same in return. But you don't get what you expect.

See my edit, re: the GB. My skin isn't THAT thick.

 

[WriterDom]

I'd support civil unions with the same legal rights as marriage. I'm becoming more and more anti-abortion though. I'm pretty sure my mother had an illegal abortion after she had me, and if abortion were legal and common when I was born I'm pretty damn sure my body would have been sucked out with a hose as I came 13 years after my oldest brother. There are plenty of people who want kids. My niece paid 60,000 dollars for her two babies.

 

[Netzach]

I'd support civil unions with the same legal rights as marriage. I'm becoming more and more anti-abortion though. I'm pretty sure my mother had an illegal abortion after she had me, and if abortion were legal and common when I was born I'm pretty damn sure my body would have been sucked out with a hose as I came 13 years after my oldest brother. There are plenty of people who want kids. My niece paid 60,000 dollars for her two babies.

Maybe you should ask your mother instead of assuming. I don't mean that in a mean "telling you off" way, I mean that would be interesting to know, if it were me. I would imagine that you may have been more wanted than you think, and I imagine that if your mom had the last kid it would have possibly been impossible in some way for her or for everyone financially, or for some compelling reason. My point is that women have complicated and unexpected and often unknown reasons for making those choices.

I was illegitimate, inconvenient and unwanted by the grandparents.

In 73. She could have done otherwise.

I would have done otherwise, but I'm in a different situation. I don't want children, a pregnancy to term will wreak havoc on my health, and I can't take the pill because I have a clotting disorder.

Makes me all the happier to be here, actually, not less. It's bad enough that having everything she paid for being thrown in my face all the time, can you imagine what a great time it would be if she was forced to have me?

The human race will go on fine. However, I'd like to know the going price of an african american baby on the adoption market with fetal alcohol syndrome. When I see protests against PP in the most blighted neighborohoods in NYC, I'll buy the sincerity of the "pro life" movement.

 

[JMohegan]

I'm a born-again Christian, sexually straight, white, male, registered Republican (though I don't necessarily vote that way), flogger swinging, fireplaying, evil sadistic bastard. The Liberals hate my demographic, not me personally.

I don't hate your demographic, and don't know anyone who does.

I do however, harbor a great deal of animosity toward the subset of your demographic that supports the oppression of alternate groups, as well as those who deliberately inflame culture wars as a means to obtaining commercial success and/or political power.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

How many of those women are out there attacking baby boys with scissors, EG?

You're deflecting the question Netz. The question I was answering was "are there liberals who preach violence", and the answer is "Yes, there are." And you know as well as I do there are plenty of nutjobs out there. The uber-feminists preaching castration may not be going after baby boys with scissors, but their hatred and/or fear can be found and influence others.

Batshit crazy folks are batshit crazy. And if the voices in their heads are telling them to kill their babies because they will grow up to be violent, rapist men... or that God wants to bring them home, does the political leaning of the voice in their head really matter?

 

[00Syd]

Maybe by the time you're 40 that will change.

And lucky for you that most people on Lit seem to share your views.

When I said that I've yet to encounter anyone on lit who is that way, I meant from both sides of the spectrum. I've not seen anyone on the left personally condemning someone for their views, nor have I seen anyone on the right doing so.

But maybe I'm just deluded? Maybe I don't read every thread as closely as I should?

And of course, I'm sure many things will change by the time I'm 40. However, right now I'm 19 years old and I am talking about things from my point of view.

And I think its good to get some younger perspectives 'round these parts. Especially in political discussions.

 

[Netzach]

You're deflecting the question Netz. The question I was answering was "are there liberals who preach violence", and the answer is "Yes, there are." And you know as well as I do there are plenty of nutjobs out there. The uber-feminists preaching castration may not be going after baby boys with scissors, but their hatred and/or fear can be found and influence others.

Batshit crazy folks are batshit crazy. And if the voices in their heads are telling them to kill their babies because they will grow up to be violent, rapist men... or that God wants to bring them home, does the political leaning of the voice in their head really matter?

Fair enough. They exist. They don't seem to have the 8 million listeners though, there seems to be less affiliation of the other batshit crazy. It's not like Andrea Dworkin is a bestseller list favorite.

Also I've read Dworkin, I think she's misinterpreted, though I can't say I'm a fan. I'm not certain I have ever actually heard anyone calling for the castration of anyone other than maybe convicted rapists.

In light of how many convicted rapists have been exonerated with DNA in the last few years, I think we should hold off till the DNA matches on the castration even there.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Fair enough. They exist. They don't seem to have the 8 million listeners though, there seems to be less affiliation of the other batshit crazy. It's not like Andrea Dworkin is a bestseller list favorite.

True dat. The hate-mongers sell air-time, and few people want to listen to eco-terrorists telling them to stop driving their SUV's and stop using plastics, and don't wear man-made materials (which put them at odds with the PETA crowd who hate leather and fur clothing... and the fetishists who like PVC...),

Rush Limbaugh sells prime air time. The lefties get the overnight stuff (like Art Bell... the ultimate conspiracy theory radio host)...

Ain't no fairness in that but that's where the big money is.

 

[Netzach]

True dat. The hate-mongers sell air-time, and few people want to listen to eco-terrorists telling them to stop driving their SUV's and stop using plastics, and don't wear man-made materials (which put them at odds with the PETA crowd who hate leather and fur clothing... and the fetishists who like PVC...),

Rush Limbaugh sells prime air time. The lefties get the overnight stuff (like Art Bell... the ultimate conspiracy theory radio host)...

Ain't no fairness in that but that's where the big money is.

I fucking love Art Bell. Such a trainwreck.

But that's the thing, we listen to Art Bell and go "ha ha, insane" and KNOW to do it.

People listen to Michael Savage and go fist-pump woo woo.

 

[A Desert Rose]

True dat. The hate-mongers sell air-time, and few people want to listen to eco-terrorists telling them to stop driving their SUV's and stop using plastics, and don't wear man-made materials (which put them at odds with the PETA crowd who hate leather and fur clothing... and the fetishists who like PVC...),

Rush Limbaugh sells prime air time. The lefties get the overnight stuff (like Art Bell... the ultimate conspiracy theory radio host)...

Ain't no fairness in that but that's where the big money is.

LOL I know Art Bell. I always laugh when people mention him.




He's retired, last I heard.

 

[Netzach]

LOL I know Art Bell. I always laugh when people mention him.




He's retired, last I heard.

I miss listening in. He'd come on our community station after the death metal show in the wee wee hours. So gonzo, so awesome. I think I was one of 12 people listening.

This isn't exactly hate-filled shock jock.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

People listen to Michael Savage and go fist-pump woo woo.

Well... some of us listen to Savage and go "fucking Neo-Nazi"...

 

[Netzach]

Well... some of us listen to Savage and go "fucking Neo-Nazi"...

Well, a LOT of us do. On both sides of whatever aisle.

But on it goes. And someone's got to be taking this stuff seriously.

 

[A Desert Rose]

I miss listening in. He'd come on our community station after the death metal show in the wee wee hours. So gonzo, so awesome. I think I was one of 12 people listening.

This isn't exactly hate-filled shock jock.

He's a funny guy in real life, too. And what a really incredible life story he has.

One time I was ordering something from Speigel and when I gave my address to the lady on the phone she said "OH MAN.... Art Bell!!!! do you know him? My boyfriend and I listen to him every single night!" (She was in Chicago.)

LMAO.... my claim to fame.... knowing Art Bell.

 

[JMohegan]

True dat. The hate-mongers sell air-time, and few people want to listen to eco-terrorists telling them to stop driving their SUV's and stop using plastics, and don't wear man-made materials (which put them at odds with the PETA crowd who hate leather and fur clothing... and the fetishists who like PVC...),

Rush Limbaugh sells prime air time. The lefties get the overnight stuff (like Art Bell... the ultimate conspiracy theory radio host)...

Ain't no fairness in that but that's where the big money is.

In August of this year, Rush Limbaugh celebrated 20 years on the air. He received personal phone calls of congratulations from Bush I, Bush II, and Jeb.

I understand the existence of whackos of all stripes. But I'm really struggling to understand the equivalence being presented on this thread, when one flavor of hate-mongering has been enjoying such tremendous commercial and political success.

 

[Netzach]

In August of this year, Rush Limbaugh celebrated 20 years on the air. He received personal phone calls of congratulations from Bush I, Bush II, and Jeb.

I understand the existence of whackos of all stripes. But I'm really struggling to understand the equivalence being presented on this thread, when one flavor of hate-mongering has been enjoying such tremendous commercial and political success.

Same.

Did your parents also recommend whacking the bully one time real good?

I got that advice, I was just too pussy physically to do it.

 

[Netzach]

He's a funny guy in real life, too. And what a really incredible life story he has.

One time I was ordering something from Speigel and when I gave my address to the lady on the phone she said "OH MAN.... Art Bell!!!! do you know him? My boyfriend and I listen to him every single night!" (She was in Chicago.)

LMAO.... my claim to fame.... knowing Art Bell.

That's so cool! I'm gonna go look for webcasts tonight. Heh.

 

[JMohegan]

Same.

Did your parents also recommend whacking the bully one time real good?

I got that advice, I was just too pussy physically to do it.

I was raised to intervene on behalf of the bully's victim(s), physically or otherwise, as often and as effectively as I could. Standing by and doing nothing is dishonorable. That's what I was taught.

I'm not exactly sure what message I would have been given if I had been female. I certainly don't remember my sister ever whacking anybody, though I do remember hearing about her saying stuff like, "Do you know who my brother is?" I guess that's a clue as to the message she absorbed in our household.

 

[Etoile]

I have a few points.

1) ADR, I've met you, I like you, I enjoy talking to you, and I think you're really cool. The fact that I now know you are conservative and Catholic doesn't change any of that. I hope to make it out to your town again sometime and I hope to see you then too. Same goes for EG except I haven't gotten to meet him yet! I do hope to meet him though...maybe I will make it to D*C one day. ADR, I'm sorry to hear that you feel alienated from this board because you're not liberal. I don't see what you do, but I'm sure it's happening or you wouldn't talk about it.

2) EG, you talk about eco-terrorists, PETA, and other militant extremists on the left. Sure they are out there just like the Michael Savages and Rush Limbaughs. The difference is that most people don't listen to them like they listen to the Bill O'Reillys of the world. As a better comparison, let me toss out Fred Phelps vs. eco-terrorists. Nobody listens to either one of them for the most part, except to view them as kooks. I don't mean to imply that there are no hateful liberals, I just mean that they don't have the power and influence that some of the hateful conservatives do.

3) I don't hate anybody, pretty much. I think some people are nutty, but I don't hate anybody. Like really at all. Even the people I REALLY don't like, I don't hate. That's why I said "ain't no time for hate" - because living without hate IS possible, and it's much more enjoyable.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

... But I'm really struggling to understand the equivalence being presented on this thread, when one flavor of hate-mongering has been enjoying such tremendous commercial and political success.

The equivalence is that hatred is hatred, it doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum it comes from. Whether it's placed by a Marxist guerrilla, an al-Qaida terrorist, or an anti-abortion activist, the people injured or killed, the property damaged, the families shattered... don't freaking care who planted the bomb or why.

Hatred is hatred, bigotry is bigotry. No one is excusing the Rush Limbaugh's or Michael Savage's of the world, but because they exist doesn't give a free pass to the liberal haters. N'est pas?

 

[Netzach]

I was raised to intervene on behalf of the bully's victim(s), physically or otherwise, as often and as effectively as I could. Standing by and doing nothing is dishonorable. That's what I was taught.

I'm not exactly sure what message I would have been given if I had been female. I certainly don't remember my sister ever whacking anybody, though I do remember hearing about her saying stuff like, "Do you know who my brother is?" I guess that's a clue as to the message she absorbed in our household.

Probably the same message only more verbal than physical.

I'm digging back to second grade.

 

[Netzach]

The equivalence is that hatred is hatred, it doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum it comes from. Whether it's placed by a Marxist guerrilla, an al-Qaida terrorist, or an anti-abortion activist, the people injured or killed, the property damaged, the families shattered... don't freaking care who planted the bomb or why.

Hatred is hatred, bigotry is bigotry. No one is excusing the Rush Limbaugh's or Michael Savage's of the world, but because they exist doesn't give a free pass to the liberal haters. N'est pas?

This is basically pacifism.

I'm not that good a person.

 

[JMohegan]

The equivalence is that hatred is hatred, it doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum it comes from. Whether it's placed by a Marxist guerrilla, an al-Qaida terrorist, or an anti-abortion activist, the people injured or killed, the property damaged, the families shattered... don't freaking care who planted the bomb or why.

Hatred is hatred, bigotry is bigotry. No one is excusing the Rush Limbaugh's or Michael Savage's of the world, but because they exist doesn't give a free pass to the liberal haters. N'est pas?

I don't give a free pass to anyone who advocates violence of the type you've described.

The scope of hatred is measured not by comparing one individual to another, but by comparing the collective size and strength of haters as a group.

I'd say we've got a very big problem in this country, and I don't see the problem as stemming from Marxism or feminism or environmentalism or any other left-wing-ism at this time.

The problem we have is that true conservatives have been outshouted, outnumbered, and overrun by hate-mongering, fear-mongering culture warriors and those who exploit them. Together, these people exert their combined commercial and political power in ways that are both damaging to this country as a whole, and directly, personally threatening to many individuals within it.

 

[JMohegan]

Probably the same message only more verbal than physical.

I'm digging back to second grade.

This makes sense.

Ha - me too!