AI checking help

[Randemtask]

I'm trying to use AI for checking my conversation tone and punctuation etc but I keep getting it rejected due to the erotic nature of the story. Does anyone have a program or software that they use for this?

 

[StillStunned]

If you use AI to help you write or edit your story, it's likely to be rejected by Lit.

Better to just do the best you can by yourself.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I'm trying to use AI for checking my conversation tone and punctuation etc but I keep getting it rejected due to the erotic nature of the story. Does anyone have a program or software that they use for this?

Don't use AI writing tools for fiction would be my advice, unless you want formulaic rubbish. Also, don't think of submitting it here, as it's contra to Lit's rules, and likely to be detected and rejected.

Learn grammar and style by writing in your own voice, and doing basic homework. Using tools to avoid learning the rules - you're the one not learning.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

Don't use AI writing tools for fiction would be my advice, unless you want formulaic rubbish.

My understanding is that the OP uses AI for analytical purposes, not for generative. If the AI reports that a dialogue has a certain tone and the author changes it with their own words, I would not consider it "written by AI". But if you ask the AI to change the tone for you, that's bad.

 

[Randemtask]

I do try myself, it actually looks OK to me and they are very ambiguous

My understanding is that the OP uses AI for analytical purposes, not for generative. If the AI reports that a dialogue has a certain tone and the author changes it with their own words, I would not consider it "written by AI". But if you ask the AI to change the tone for you, that's bad.

Thank you, that is correct, I wanted to check.my conversation as I had a story rejected and it mentioned conversation, I couldn't see what the issue was.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I do try myself, it actually looks OK to me and they are very ambiguous

Thank you, that is correct, I wanted to check.my conversation as I had a story rejected and it mentioned conversation, I couldn't see what the issue was.

My point is, you're using a tool that's capable for business writing, if all you want is bland homogeneity, but terrible for fiction.

I wouldn't begin using AI to "assist" creative writing, but put your time and effort into learning the basics of grammar and punctuation, and developing your own style, will serve you better in the long run. The best way to do that is write without using software tools. If you do that like the rest of us did, the hard way, by reading, writing, learning from texts, it will sink in. Using "assistance", you won't learn it for yourself. Your choice, obviously, but there are no short cuts, not really.

 

[Randemtask]

My point is, you're using a tool that's capable for business writing, if all you want is bland homogeneity, but terrible for fiction.

I wouldn't begin using AI to "assist" creative writing, but put your time and effort into learning the basics of grammar and punctuation, and developing your own style, will serve you better in the long run. The best way to do that is write without using software tools. If you do that like the rest of us did, the hard way, by reading, writing, learning from texts, it will sink in. Using "assistance", you won't learn it for yourself. Your choice, obviously, but there are no short cuts, not really.

Yeah, I'm probably not explaining myself very well. I think the conversation is fine and correct as written but literotica disagree. That's why I wanted a third party check and thought AI might be able to assist.

 

[PennyThompson]

Yeah, I'm probably not explaining myself very well. I think the conversation is fine and correct as written but literotica disagree. That's why I wanted a third party check and thought AI might be able to assist.

It sounds like you're getting auto-rejected because your dialogue punctuation isn't correct? Lit seems to have automated filters that specifically look for unclosed quotation marks, periods and commas on the wrong side of quotation marks, etc.

@FrancesScott's How to Punctuate Dialog is a good starting point, if you still feel stuck you could post a couple of paragraphs of your dialog in the Editors Forum and I'll bet someone could tell you what the problem is!

 

[Randemtask]

It sounds like you're getting auto-rejected because your dialogue punctuation isn't correct? Lit seems to have automated filters that specifically look for unclosed quotation marks, periods and commas on the wrong side of quotation marks, etc.

@FrancesScott's How to Punctuate Dialog is a good starting point, if you still feel stuck you could post a couple of paragraphs of your dialog in the Editors Forum and I'll bet someone could tell you what the problem is!

Thank you, that's very helpful, I'll check it out.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

I'm trying to use AI for checking my conversation tone and punctuation etc but I keep getting it rejected due to the erotic nature of the story. Does anyone have a program or software that they use for this?

I'd suggest a read aloud device like Immersive Reader in Word. You can hear the tone better than an AI can infer it.

 

[FrancesScott]

It sounds like you're getting auto-rejected because your dialogue punctuation isn't correct? Lit seems to have automated filters that specifically look for unclosed quotation marks, periods and commas on the wrong side of quotation marks, etc.

@FrancesScott's How to Punctuate Dialog is a good starting point, if you still feel stuck you could post a couple of paragraphs of your dialog in the Editors Forum and I'll bet someone could tell you what the problem is!

Thank you for mentioning my essay!

 

[yano2mch]

I think the rules are a little too hardlined. Punctuation and spell fixing, or asking it for feedback that doesn't actually change/rewrite the text but makes suggestions shouldn't be rule breaking. Imagine your story getting rejected for AI use, because you changed a comma to a semi-colon...

I keep getting it rejected due to the erotic nature of the story. Does anyone have a program or software that they use for this?

If you have the hardware and can run it locally, uncensored LLM models can be used. On HuggingFace it's usually uncensored, abliterated and heresy as the keywords of them being opened up and shouldn't reject you for erotica purposes. Mind you the models are..... HUGE.... Way too big honestly. We're talking dozens or hundreds of gigs.

And getting feedback I've fed my own stuff in. Often it will tell you what you already know, but look at things in another light or point out consistences at the same time.

In my experience LLMs are good for asking them to make character profiles of what you've put in, and it will summarize them so you can hopefully be consistent in your later writing (or generating new characters and then you change the details after the template is made).

 

[StillStunned]

Imagine your story getting rejected for AI use, because you changed a comma to a semi-colon...

Imagine making a change to your story because an AI suggests it, and then complaining when your story is rejected for using AI.

In case it wasn't clear yet, Lit prefers poor human writing - warts and all - over anything that's AI-generated or AI-assisted. Write your story, don't worry about it being perfect because it's never going to be perfect, then write another one and try to do better.

 

[yano2mch]

Imagine making a change to your story because an AI suggests it, and then complaining when your story is rejected for using AI.

So if i asked an AI for words that could be 'hot' temperature wise, get a list, and use one, let's say 'steamy'...

He found her red dress hot, it fit her curves tight enough he couldn't see hints of panties

to

He found her red dress steamy, it fit her curves tight enough he couldn't see hints of panties

The AI acting as a thesaurus or the like... You know i remember in the 90's the Apple computers had built in tools in their word processors to give you word suggestions and punctuation advice. Surely using any tool at all is considered heresy at this point.

In fact we should only use pen and paper, no keyboard, no typing, not even a recorder for voice because TTS. And everyone should see my messy handwriting (Yes my handwriting is atrocious...).

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

I think the rules are a little too hardlined.

I don't think they're harsh enough.

Every mention of it should be purged from this board and folks that start threads about it banned.

 

[yano2mch]

I don't think they're harsh enough.

Every mention of it should be purged from this board and folks that start threads about it banned.

Mhmm... And i'm sure you're also against tractors existing, since it can do the work of 50 men in the field... and the food grown is now somehow tainted because it wasn't done 'by hand' and isn't authentic food anymore.

Tools, Copyright, any source of inspiration, it's all very very messy.

But i do suppose the bible verse is true with AI usage: There is nothing new under the sun.

 

[StillStunned]

So if i asked an AI for words that could be 'hot' temperature wise, get a list, and use one, let's say 'steamy'...



to



The AI acting as a thesaurus or the like... You know i remember in the 90's the Apple computers had built in tools in their word processors to give you word suggestions and punctuation advice. Surely using any tool at all is considered heresy at this point.

In fact we should only use pen and paper, no keyboard, no typing, not even a recorder for voice because TTS. And everyone should see my messy handwriting (Yes my handwriting is atrocious...).

Why don't you just use a thesaurus? Either a dead-tree version or an online one, as long as it doesn't break Lit's "no AI" rule. What makes people insist on using an unethical, illegal and environmentally unfriendly machine instead of the established alternatives? The ones that you can actually rely on to give you a correct answer?

Would it make a difference if Thesaurus.com framed its results as "Hi, you asked for synonyms for "hot" - how about these?" Are people so starved of human interaction that they can't manage without the fake friendliness of a bot?

 

[yano2mch]

Why don't you just use a thesaurus? Either a dead-tree version or an online one, as long as it doesn't break Lit's "no AI" rule.

A thesaurus, why didn't i think of that? I mean it's about the same as reading something with my left eye instead of my right eye.

You're splitting hairs in my mind. People are looking for a result, not necessarily HOW they get the result. If it's watching porn, masturbating, reading erotica or having sex with a partner. You don't start bible thumping and saying how it's a sin this and that and you have to go to church and get a good girl mom would approve of.

Also i'm not sure how many people have those books anymore. I can bet with likely 99% likelihood you don't have an encyclopedia in your house. My parents did when i was a kid, the H book was my favorite since it had the see-through plastic layers to show the human body and you could see/unpeel the layers from skin to organ to skeleton.

What makes people insist on using an unethical, illegal and environmentally unfriendly machine instead of the established alternatives? The ones that you can actually rely on to give you a correct answer?

Maybe, it's too expensive.
Maybe it's too time consuming.
Maybe you don't know where to start (that's probably my sin the most).
Maybe it's too embarrassing.

"Mom, what's another word for hot?"
"Why do you want to know"
"I'm writing something"
"What are you writing?"
"I CAN'T TELL YOU OR SHOW YOU!"

But what makes using an AI unethical or illegal? Or even unfriendly? Yes you need to know they have to use a heaping cup of salt on anything it says, but it's not something like some human interaction like buying crack, or stealing stereo systems to sell to fuel one's addiction.

Would it make a difference if Thesaurus.com framed its results as "Hi, you asked for synonyms for "hot" - how about these?" Are people so starved of human interaction that they can't manage without the fake friendliness of a bot?

You need to pick your poisons, like smoking drinking and everything else. I'm sure your parents told you not to drink or smoke, but i'm sure you did anyways.

If you stigmatize something people will use it just because to prove you wrong. 'Dare not to do drugs' probably caused more drug use/smoking use than if they hadn't, kids wanting to be 'cool' or rebel.

If you want to break the use of using machines technology and bots, you have to provide something better. But with as polarized as things are, people will just have to conclude themselves that bots aren't the answer.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

Why don't you just use a thesaurus?

That is indeed a interesting question. AI can take the context into account and would probably not propose steamy for a dress. So it is more focused, which can be good or bad. For me, who as a non-native English writer it can help learning. Particularly, because I can ask the AI for the reason or have it explain the connotations for a certain choice.

A classic thesaurus forces you to think through each alternative yourself, which requires, but also trains language sense.

 

[SmilingLez]

My understanding is that the OP uses AI for analytical purposes, not for generative. If the AI reports that a dialogue has a certain tone and the author changes it with their own words, I would not consider it "written by AI". But if you ask the AI to change the tone for you, that's bad.

That may or may not be the case depending on what automated tools/scripts literotica uses in their flawed (IMO) AI detection suite. Best bet stay away from anything AI. Most readers, especially if it is explicit erotica (aka a stroker), don't give a damn about story structure. YMMV

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

People are looking for a result, not necessarily HOW they get the result.

For me as a writer this is a huge difference. Using AI to write is like copying a story from some other site and publishing here under my name.
For me the result is not the story itself, but what I learn from writing it.

The journey is the goal.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Mhmm... And i'm sure you're also against tractors existing, since it can do the work of 50 men in the field... and the food grown is now somehow tainted because it wasn't done 'by hand' and isn't authentic food anymore.

This is an entirely bogus argument that is made very frequently. Farm machinery has not been created and does not run on intentionally stolen IP.

And farm machinery is generally fit-for-purpose. AI knows nothing about writing beyond a gray goo, lowest common denominator pastiche of the human writing it has stolen from. It knows nothing.

It’s a statistical inference machine that is good at fooling people who know little about a subject (including writing). And it doesn’t enhance creativity, it destroys it. It robs the user of what it is to be human.

Farm machinery doesn’t do any of that.

 

[EmilyMiller]

If you stigmatize something people will use it just because to prove you wrong.

That’s a terrible argument.

It’s you have to approve of X, and let people do X, or they will do it anyway. Huh?

 

[yano2mch]

For me as a writer this is a huge difference. Using AI to write is like copying a story from some other site and publishing here under my name.
For me the result is not the story itself, but what I learn from writing it.

The journey is the goal.

Agreed. Tools while potentially powerful need to be used with care. I don't like the idea of just 'write a best selling novel' and publishing it. People really shouldn't start writing until they get experience under their belt. Otherwise you get those that work for hollywood that only know how to write scenes of them sipping coffees in baristas because that's all they know. Other good writers went to war, saw horrors, fought for their lives, experienced loss. And used that as a core mixed with the story they wanted to tell and write.

This is an entirely bogus argument that is made very frequently. Farm machinery has not been created and does not run on intentionally stolen IP.

But it's taking away jobs... It's taking away labor. It's taking away a means of using your hands.

That’s a terrible argument.

It’s you have to approve of X, and let people do X, or they will do it anyway. Huh?

Who said anything of approving it? I said not to stigmatize it. Educate and show it's limits and how it's heavily faulty. Encourage to develop one's own skills first so they are able to do it themselves and understand the process, THEN they may adopt using it as a tool to assist rather than removing all the creative process.

The opening post was about punctuation and i added spell checking. You know, tools you could write in BASH scripts back in the 70's with a little know how.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Mhmm... And i'm sure you're also against tractors existing

Lit does not have a rule about writing with a tractor.