Age restrictions question

[NicoleZ]

Correction again.

The 18+ rule on Literotica is NOT because of the law. It is a rule set by the owners of this private site.

If anyone wants to write about sex between 17 year olds there are other sites that allow it and much more.

But 18+ is LITEROTICA'S RULE.

Accept it or your story will be rejected by the owners. It is their personal decision.

I've had it explained to me by the site owner of a different site which also employs the 18+ rule that it's the law of certain states and as long as it's a crime in one or more of the 50 states, the site owner can be prosecuted. I have no gripe or axe to grind with someone who wishes to stay out of the courts, only with the fools who make such a decision necessary.

 

[Kimikimidoll]

I've had it explained to me by the site owner of a different site which also employs the 18+ rule that it's the law of certain states and as long as it's a crime in one or more of the 50 states, the site owner can be prosecuted. I have no gripe or axe to grind with someone who wishes to stay out of the courts, only with the fools who make such a decision necessary.

I'm assuming the owner lives in the US. In multiple states, age of consent varies from 16-18 across most states, plus with multiple sub-ordinances (age between the partners, the type of relation between the partners, type of sex act committed etc).

So, as a blanket-requirement, this site put it as 18+, which makes perfect sense, plus keeps the owner from charges.

Guys, the OP already said that they fixed the issue. Let's leave it.

 

[oggbashan]

I've had it explained to me by the site owner of a different site which also employs the 18+ rule that it's the law of certain states and as long as it's a crime in one or more of the 50 states, the site owner can be prosecuted. I have no gripe or axe to grind with someone who wishes to stay out of the courts, only with the fools who make such a decision necessary.

A more likely reason, not that the owners need to justify their decision, is that by trying to enforce a restriction of sex after 18 makes the site a less obvious target for the moral crusaders that exist in the United States.

I don't think it is fear of the law, but a prudent decision to avoid being harried by those who think all sex is sinful.

Literotica's legal statement is here:

https://www.literotica.com/legal.shtml

The situation for pictures is different:

https://www.literotica.com/support/2257_info.shtml

Sexual pictures of people under 18 years old ARE against US laws.

 

[sr71plt]

I've had it explained to me by the site owner of a different site which also employs the 18+ rule that it's the law of certain states and as long as it's a crime in one or more of the 50 states, the site owner can be prosecuted. I have no gripe or axe to grind with someone who wishes to stay out of the courts, only with the fools who make such a decision necessary.

There is no law anywhere in the United States making writing about (or publishing writing about) underage sex illegal.

 

[Hypoxia]

There is no law anywhere in the United States making writing about (or publishing writing about) underage sex illegal.

Exactly, as has been pointed out numerous times already in this thread alone.

As for the high-school-skirts-the 18-rule accusation: That's never my goal. I've written numerous pieces with HS students. If anything I write them too mature. I may report that underage sex occurred but I do not describe, ever.

As for college: in USA many junior / community colleges (JCs or CCs) function as two-year extensions of high school, very explicitly in some cases. I can point to California cities where the JC campus shares the name of the nearby HS campus. Attending a distant college / uni / academy may put students in dorms, or staying with kin or friends there, or renting alone, or sharing with other students, or even living rough. Great drama can derive from a student's seeking quarters and occupying someplace strange.

Back to LIT's private-site rule: No sexual situations for anyone under 18. They don't think about sex; others don't think about sex with them. No sex if the person APPEARS under 18; a 5000-year-old immortal, or hominid alien, or angel or demon, who looks too young, won't pass. Is there a way around it? Put a 13-year-old in a coma; wake them up when they're 18. But I'm not interested.

 

[Voboy]

It's Pilot's favourite hobby horse - as soon as someone mentions seventeen and a half going on eighteen (and the solution is to add six months to all ages, or send them to college), he automatically assumes you are really wanting to write about thirteen year olds.

As you have rightly spotted, he's the one inferring six years off the age, when you and I know eighteen and a half is really what we are on about. Put him on ignore for a while, then you don't see the holier than thou righteousness for a while. It IS his problem, not yours.

(He'll be along soon...)

Indeed.

I've seen this kind of thing often. It's a canard. Writing about high schoolers is not necessarily an attempt at age camouflage; sometimes (always, if it's me writing it) it's just an attempt to set stories in a high school.

I like the teacher-student thing; that's about it. I write them as 18 because Lit makes me, but I'd probably go to 17 in my stories if I could, possibly even 16. No younger, though. I've known many 17-year-olds with the maturity (physical and otherwise) to responsibly conduct a sexual relationship, though not firsthand. Fewer 16-year-olds; still fewer the younger you go.

 

[sr71plt]

Nope, if you have to write with a high school setting, you are playing the underage card. Who do you people think you're fooling? I have a lot of 18 year olds in my stories having sex, but they are clearly out of the high school setting and I'm more interested in age differences and them being inexperienced with sex than that they are in a high school lifestyle.

So, tough on you. I don't post about this out of the blue. It only looks like an obsession for me to point out that high school setting is a signal of underage because every damn week someone posts about wanting to write it and then gets mealy mouthed about their obvious intent in having to have in a high school setting. (Often it's high schoolers asking the question here and the high school setting is important to them because it's the only one they know--but they are people who aren't supposed to be posting to Literotica at all).

On this particular thread, as I pointed out, the only difference in a high school setting and a community college setting is actual age, so just as soon as the OP indicated it couldn't be community college, it was obvious that the underage button was what was the kicker.

 

[sr71plt]

Indeed.

I've seen this kind of thing often. It's a canard. Writing about high schoolers is not necessarily an attempt at age camouflage; sometimes (always, if it's me writing it) it's just an attempt to set stories in a high school.

I like the teacher-student thing; that's about it. I write them as 18 because Lit makes me, but I'd probably go to 17 in my stories if I could, possibly even 16. No younger, though. I've known many 17-year-olds with the maturity (physical and otherwise) to responsibly conduct a sexual relationship, though not firsthand. Fewer 16-year-olds; still fewer the younger you go.

Just from what you post, you want to post underage stories here. So, who do you think you're fooling? You've admitted it's the age that's motivating you.

If it's a question of emotional slow maturity, that's exactly why a lot of people go to community college--because they aren't ready to jump into the next higher maturity category yet. But you don't want to write older in age than high school because you want to play the underage card. You can do that; you just aren't supposed to do it at Literotica. And it's not my rule. And I'm not the one bringing this topic up every week.

 

[sr71plt]

Exactly, as has been pointed out numerous times already in this thread alone.

It never seems to sink in, though, and then gets brought up again as misinformation.

 

[NicoleZ]

Nope, if you have to write with a high school setting, you are playing the underage card. Who do you people think you're fooling? I have a lot of 18 year olds in my stories having sex, but they are clearly out of the high school setting and I'm more interested in age differences and them being inexperienced with sex than that they are in a high school lifestyle.

So, tough on you. I don't post about this out of the blue. It only looks like an obsession for me to point out that high school setting is a signal of underage because every damn week someone posts about wanting to write it and then gets mealy mouthed about their obvious intent in having to have in a high school setting. (Often it's high schoolers asking the question here and the high school setting is important to them because it's the only one they know--but they are people who aren't supposed to be posting to Literotica at all).

On this particular thread, as I pointed out, the only difference in a high school setting and a community college setting is actual age, so just as soon as the OP indicated it couldn't be community college, it was obvious that the underage button was what was the kicker.

This categorical statement sheds new light on your Winter Contest entry, "Avril's Ploy" https://www.literotica.com/s/avril-s-ploy Even if you say right at the start that its "University", it is so obviously a High School setting and when one now knows your line of thinking, it's abundantly clear that it is underage sex cleverly disguised. Your characters even behave like 16- and 17-year olds. Congratulations on a job well done!

 

[sr71plt]

This categorical statement sheds new light on your Winter Contest entry, "Avril's Ploy" https://www.literotica.com/s/avril-s-ploy Even if you say right at the start that its "University", it is so obviously a High School setting and when one now knows your line of thinking, it's abundantly clear that it is underage sex cleverly disguised. Your characters even behave like 16- and 17-year olds. Congratulations on a job well done!

At least you read it (or at least looked at it) before being nasty about my writing on the forum. I'm thinking that you're the one who is underage. You're being as ridiculous and bitchy as usual.

Just for the record, I still haven't read, voted on, or commented on any of your stories and I never will. Neither will I attack your writing here on the forum just to be a bitch. I don't have any of the uncertainties about my writing that you obviously want me to have and I don't respect your judgment in writing (or anything else for that matter). So your petty attacks on my writing are pretty much just a reflection of you.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

This categorical statement sheds new light on your Winter Contest entry, "Avril's Ploy" https://www.literotica.com/s/avril-s-ploy Even if you say right at the start that its "University", it is so obviously a High School setting and when one now knows your line of thinking, it's abundantly clear that it is underage sex cleverly disguised. Your characters even behave like 16- and 17-year olds. Congratulations on a job well done!

How much difference in behavior is there between a 16 - 17 - 18 year old? I can tell you, none. Well except an 18 year old can be drafted in time of war. But I doubt most 18 year olds walk around thinking about that today.

When I turned 18 there was nothing to tell me a part from 16 or 17 year olds except when I turned 18 I wasn't considered an adult. To be an adult at that time you had to be 21. At 18 you were still a teenager...oh wait you still are today too. Magic.

Today the only note besides being drafted is that your parents can kick your ass to the curb without getting in trouble.

 

[NicoleZ]

At least you read it (or at least looked at it) before being nasty about my writing on the forum. I'm thinking that you're the one who is underage. You're being as ridiculous and bitchy as usual.

Just for the record, I still haven't read, voted on, or commented on any of your stories and I never will. Neither will I attack your writing here on the forum just to be a bitch. I don't have any of the uncertainties about my writing that you obviously want me to have and I don't respect your judgment in writing (or anything else for that matter). So your petty attacks on my writing are pretty much just a reflection of you.

For the record, I was merely congratulating you on getting around the 18+ rule in such a clever manner but you as always are very quick to take offense and read things into the messages of others that simply are not there.

There is one difference between us that you would do well to keep in mind: while it may be true that I have a "ridiculous and bitchy" streak 2-3/28 you're IT 24/7 and no, no matter how much you plead using your usual reverse psychology, I will not truss you up and allow you to call me "Mistress". One has standards.

 

[NicoleZ]

How much difference in behavior is there between a 16 - 17 - 18 year old? I can tell you, none. Well except an 18 year old can be drafted in time of war. But I doubt most 18 year olds walk around thinking about that today.

When I turned 18 there was nothing to tell me a part from 16 or 17 year olds except when I turned 18 I wasn't considered an adult. To be an adult at that time you had to be 21. At 18 you were still a teenager...oh wait you still are today too. Magic.

Today the only note besides being drafted is that your parents can kick your ass to the curb without getting in trouble.

Precisely! And that's why I think he's been so clever about it!

 

[sr71plt]

For the record, I was merely congratulating you on getting around the 18+ rule in such a clever manner but you as always are very quick to take offense and read things into the messages of others that simply are not there.

There is one difference between us that you would do well to keep in mind: while it may be true that I have a "ridiculous and bitchy" streak 2-3/28 you're IT 24/7 and no, no matter how much you plead using your usual reverse psychology, I will not truss you up and allow you to call me "Mistress". One has standards.

No, Nicole, there is no underage element in my Winter Contest entry, "Avril's Ploy," which you have so nastily and falsely attacked on the forum. You are just continuing to be a little butt-hurt shit.

You also are continuing, as you did on this thread, to give bad guidance about subjects you know absolutely nothing about.

 

[Voboy]

Just from what you post, you want to post underage stories here. So, who do you think you're fooling? You've admitted it's the age that's motivating you.

If it's a question of emotional slow maturity, that's exactly why a lot of people go to community college--because they aren't ready to jump into the next higher maturity category yet. But you don't want to write older in age than high school because you want to play the underage card. You can do that; you just aren't supposed to do it at Literotica. And it's not my rule. And I'm not the one bringing this topic up every week.

No, actually. I set stories in high schools because I teach high school. Writing about teacher-student relationships is safer and, frankly, more fun for me than actually having them. I like the setting, the relationships, the possible storylines... plus, it's something I know about. So why shouldn't I write it?

Or maybe you're right; I must be a closet paedophile. After all, you say so.

 

[sr71plt]

No, actually. I set stories in high schools because I teach high school. Writing about teacher-student relationships is safer and, frankly, more fun for me than actually having them. I like the setting, the relationships, the possible storylines... plus, it's something I know about. So why shouldn't I write it?

Or maybe you're right; I must be a closet paedophile. After all, you say so.

You're the one continuing to post about an interest in adults with high schoolers (and even dig it in deeper), not I. And it's all irrelevant to Literotica anyway. The Web site has a "no under 18 sex description rule (and, yes, voyeurism is a sex act)." Can . . . you . . . get . . . that . . . into . . . your . . . brain? And nearly every high school student is under 18 (I was still 17 when I graduated), So, the use of the high school motif plays to what is against the posting rules here. The question isn't what you can write; it's what you can post on Literotica. Can . . . you . . . get . . . that . . . into . . . your . . . brain?

But outside of writing stories, you're walking a very risky line in being a high school teacher and posting here. We have had high school teachers outed here before and it wasn't pleasant for them. Just something for you to consider in the way of job security. This is not a personal threat; more of a "what in the hell were you thinking?" note. I don't care whether you post or not. My children are grown.

 

[Voboy]

Can . . . you . . . get . . . that . . . into . . . your . . . brain?

No. Apparently I can't.

 

[sr71plt]

No. Apparently I can't.

You certainly aren't alone in that. But you seem to volunteer for really wanting to write what is underage here than some of the others who can't "get it" have been.

On the teachers being "outed" here, it doesn't seem to be anything intentional the regular Lit. posters are doing. The teachers tend to get too specific about about what they are doing in school from day to day and their students (who are running rampant all over voluntary "age denied" sites like this) finger them. It happens a lot on FB too. Of course you might steal a march and just tell your principal and parent-teacher association that you like to write teacher-student sex stories and post them to the Internet to keep you from actually doing it. I quite agree (no, I genuinely do) that writing about such things doesn't mean you want to do them. I'm sure your principal and parent-teacher association will all see it that way too.

 

[NotWise]

No. Apparently I can't.

God these threads are a bore, but we all get dragged into them, don't we?

The age question is the lowest point in Lit-dom, so it sucks all down the slippery slope.

Me too, apparently.

 

[NicoleZ]

No. Apparently I can't.

Don't worry Voboy! I'm positive that sr71plt is nothing more and nothing less than the current incarnation of the Prophet Jeremiah in search of a Cause. Jeremiah, who anonymously spent an entire book in the Old Testament interpreting the fortunes of the Jews and the Jewish kings in terms of their abasement before this mightiest of Prophets, who always spoke with the voice of God. He took particular delight in describing all the ills that were visited on poor King Zedekiah because "He did not abase himself before the Prophet Jeremiah when he spake with the voice of the Lord God".

Just treat your encounters with Jerem..., sorry, sr71plt, as research for your next story.

 

[Voboy]

But outside of writing stories, you're walking a very risky line in being a high school teacher and posting here. We have had high school teachers outed here before and it wasn't pleasant for them. Just something for you to consider in the way of job security. This is not a personal threat; more of a "what in the hell were you thinking?" note. I don't care whether you post or not. My children are grown.

Suure... your concern for my well-being is touching.

How's this: you live your life, I'll live mine, you write your stories, I'll write mine, and you can kindly quit analyzing my motives. Anyone else's too, while you're about it.

 

[sr71plt]

Actually, I don't give a shit about your well-being. But the warning was genuine (and, no, I didn't expect you to heed it any more than you understand the point of this thread. But that's your problem, not mine).

 

[AH_Mod]

The subject of the thread has been addressed, and it's going off the rails now, so I'm going to close it.