Age restrictions question

[Concave]

Have you reported it?

The story has been up since 2012. There are instances on the first page and I'm sure I wasn't the first to notice. The original question asked -- "All characters (who have sex) must be what?"

What is the definition of sex? Does it have to occur between two or more people? Is being aroused sex? Is self induced orgasm sex?

 

[ElectricBlue]

What is the definition of sex? Does it have to occur between two or more people? Is being aroused sex? Is self induced orgasm sex?

Anything written to titillate, cause arousal, paint an erotic or pornographic picture, evoke sexual emotion, longing, memory, any feeling or response that is any way sexual.

It's not hard to define - any description of any sexual activity with any person or thing where there is ANY suggestion that the individual or parties are younger than 18 is not permitted here. If in doubt, just don't write it.

Simple, non erotic, non descriptive reference is allowed, eg: "she lost her virginity at seventeen" will get by. Any additional description of the act won't.

Write about adults on an adult erotica site and the problem is solved. Let children be children, teenagers be teenagers. Adults should be adults.

18+

 

[Nezhul]

after thinking for a time I decided to go with college after all.

One thing though - I'm not familiar with USA colleges and some details about how things are done there. Can someone help me via pm with research? I could get you a list of (non-sexual) questions, and you could help me figure things out. Its mainly about things like curriculum, how dormitories are organized and so on.

 

[sr71plt]

Actually it's because the characters need to be classmates (not past but present) and at least one of them needs to live with parents still.
Yes, they could be groupmates in college, but I guess it's very rare to live with your parents when you go to college. Because most of the time you move out to go to it.

Ogg answered that. You wouldn't be writing high school if you weren't playing the age game. And plenty of people go to community college and still live at home and have friends who do the same. At the base the only reason why you have to have it high school is because you are trying to signal what is underage here, whether you realize that or not.

 

[sr71plt]

after thinking for a time I decided to go with college after all.

One thing though - I'm not familiar with USA colleges and some details about how things are done there. Can someone help me via pm with research? I could get you a list of (non-sexual) questions, and you could help me figure things out. Its mainly about things like curriculum, how dormitories are organized and so on.

I saw this after posting my last post. The United States has a whole system of community colleges where students living in the area attend day and/or night classes. These colleges have no dormitories. The education environment is not much different from the high schools except that the students are older (some are even older adults getting their college education later in life) and they arrange their own transportation to school. These students either work and live on their own or live with relatives (and still could be working as well as going to college). They are generally easier to get into than residential colleges, so many coming out of high school with less than stellar grades are going this route. Almost all such students would be over 18, though, so you wouldn't have to give ages.

 

[Nezhul]

Ogg answered that. You wouldn't be writing high school if you weren't playing the age game. And plenty of people go to community college and still live at home and have friends who do the same. At the base the only reason why you have to have it high school is because you are trying to signal what is underage here, whether you realize that or not.

I disagree with that.
Young - maybe. Underage? No, definitely not.
My original question about 16 yo sex was because in my country you have a legal right to fuck someone if he/she is 16 and explicitly consenting. Even though age of adulthood is 18.
That's not me arguing about the rules - I will honor them. Just explaining where I was coming from.

The reason I wanted to go for high school is because it has a completely different feel to it. When in school you are kinda considered still dependant on your parents 100%, its carefree. When you are in college, however, you have kinda made important decisions about your life. The responsibility is higher, and it's more serious deal than school. The "atmosphere" is different.
It's NOT because I wanna sneak underage porn in it.

 

[Nezhul]

I saw this after posting my last post. The United States has a whole system of community colleges where students living in the area attend day and/or night classes. These colleges have no dormitories. The education environment is not much different from the high schools except that the students are older (some are even older adults getting their college education later in life) and they arrange their own transportation to school. These students either work and live on their own or live with relatives (and still could be working as well as going to college). They are generally easier to get into than residential colleges, so many coming out of high school with less than stellar grades are going this route. Almost all such students would be over 18, though, so you wouldn't have to give ages.

Thanks but I already decided it needs to be a residential college. I have some plot ideas hanging on living separately from parents.
I know originally I said I needed 1 of the characters to live with parents, but as I thought more about the college route - I scratched that part.

 

[sr71plt]

Thanks but I already decided it needs to be a residential college. I have some plot ideas hanging on living separately from parents.
I know originally I said I needed 1 of the characters to live with parents, but as I thought more about the college route - I scratched that part.

What I see is that you have a fixation that it be underage for this site. My post included that the student could live away from the parents and be going to college--they could even be living with other students. I think you're just going to continue throwing changes of qualification until you feel comfortable circumventing the posting rules. So, maybe you should just stop asking for vindication and go ahead see what you can get away with rather than continuing a discussion that we see here at least once a week.

And you don't have to agree with me. It's not my rule. It's a rule of this Web site.

 

[Nezhul]

For the hundredth time...
I am NOT fucking writing underage stuf, nor do I want to, nor do I plan to, nor do I find it hot, nor do I disagree with the rules.
I don't have a fixation on that.
I'm not trying to sneak it in by means of stealth and ninja plot twists.
I'm not seeking ways to vindicate my underage characters. Because there are none.

If for you high school associates exclusively with underage - well, then that's your problem. it's in YOUR head. Not mine.
If you are fixated about underage stuff just by reading the thread title - it's YOUR problem and YOUR personal view.
If you think anyone who asks age question is trying to bend the rules - it's YOUR personal mind twists.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm tired of playing this game with folks who just have to signal age below this Web site's threshold. I gave you help on what to do and not be challenging the rules. I'm not impressed with your response. So, do what you know you want to do and see if it slips in. I'm done until it comes up again next week.

 

[Nezhul]

Are you retarded?

It's like I write one thing and you live in your personal world and read something of your own.

 

[glynndah]

A student wouldn't have to live at home to be an innocent. Whether or not someone lived in the dorms or off campus in an apartment, depending on one's hometown, a student could be quite naive about the ways of the world, sex included.

My first year of college I lived at home. School was about thirty miles away. My second year I moved into the dorms. The last two years I lived off campus.


Granted, those experiences were quite a few years ago, but if you have a question or two, I'd be happy to answer them, either here or via PM.

 

[ElectricBlue]

It's like I write one thing and you live in your personal world and read something of your own.

It's Pilot's favourite hobby horse - as soon as someone mentions seventeen and a half going on eighteen (and the solution is to add six months to all ages, or send them to college), he automatically assumes you are really wanting to write about thirteen year olds.

As you have rightly spotted, he's the one inferring six years off the age, when you and I know eighteen and a half is really what we are on about. Put him on ignore for a while, then you don't see the holier than thou righteousness for a while. It IS his problem, not yours.

(He'll be along soon...)

 

[KindofHere]

I've been coming to this site for a long time, even before I was of age (that's about 18 years give or take, wow, thinking of that, just wow), what always makes me shake my head at people is this very topic.

18+ ... it is not hard to figure out. If you want other, go to another site. Yes, most of us were young when we discovered sex, but so what .... this site's only saving grace is the fine line they attempt to walk on decency.

Live with it or go elsewhere.

 

[oggbashan]

For the hundredth time...
I am NOT fucking writing underage stuf, nor do I want to, nor do I plan to, nor do I find it hot, nor do I disagree with the rules.
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If for you high school associates exclusively with underage - well, then that's your problem. it's in YOUR head. Not mine.

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I understand that very clearly. But using the term 'high school' is a signal to some READERS that underage sex might be in the story. That's the site's problem with 'high school' or 'school' and can affect whether or not a story could be rejected.

If authors can avoid high school settings and still tell the story rejection is less likely.

Sexual innocence and first time sex can feature even with mature adults.

 

[TxRad]

It's Pilot's favourite hobby horse - as soon as someone mentions seventeen and a half going on eighteen (and the solution is to add six months to all ages, or send them to college), he automatically assumes you are really wanting to write about thirteen year olds.

As you have rightly spotted, he's the one inferring six years off the age, when you and I know eighteen and a half is really what we are on about. Put him on ignore for a while, then you don't see the holier than thou righteousness for a while. It IS his problem, not yours.

(He'll be along soon...)

No it's not his problem. It is all the idiots that don't understand that 18+ means just that. This question and others like it are asked six, seven, eight times a year, every year. Most know when they are pushing the limits. When you keep pushing the limits, it becomes a problem.

 

[NicoleZ]

It is all the idiots that don't understand that 18+ means just that.

Correction - the idiots are those who think that by forcing writers to write about 18+ means that there is no underage sex in the world. Ostrich + head + sand. In fact what this moronic US law does is make it easier for those who abuse underage persons because as writers we are not allowed to bring them and their nefarious activities into the light.

Google "Motherless" + "Nullo girl" + Melissabrowne"! If you do, you will realise that she was brought into the world to be raised as a "Nullo girl sex slave". But we are not allowed to bring this horrendous abuse into the light because some idiotic, moronic, stupid, do-goodering, meddling fucking anal retards have decided to pass the 18+ law.

 

[Handley_Page]

I disagree with that.
Young - maybe. Underage? No, definitely not.
My original question about 16 yo sex was because in my country you have a legal right to fuck someone if he/she is 16 and explicitly consenting. Even though age of adulthood is 18.
That's not me arguing about the rules - I will honor them. Just explaining where I was coming from.

The reason I wanted to go for high school is because it has a completely different feel to it. When in school you are kinda considered still dependant on your parents 100%, its carefree. When you are in college, however, you have kinda made important decisions about your life. The responsibility is higher, and it's more serious deal than school. The "atmosphere" is different.
It's NOT because I wanna sneak underage porn in it.

Well, Lucky You.
If your story is only published in your country, you'd manage it - fine.
However, the rest of the world may have a different view and Lit has to accede to those rules; this includes you.

If for you high school associates exclusively with underage - well, then that's your problem. it's in YOUR head. Not mine.
If you are fixated about underage stuff just by reading the thread title - it's YOUR problem and YOUR personal view.
If you think anyone who asks age question is trying to bend the rules - it's YOUR personal mind twists.

Sadly, it's not; it's your problem, being unable to adapt your idea to a more world-wide view of the age of consent (the USA has s0ome strange ideas, perhaps, but it's theirs and we, as writers on an American website, must acquiesce to that regime.

Correction - the idiots are those who think that by forcing writers to write about 18+ means that there is no underage sex in the world. Ostrich + head + sand. In fact what this moronic US law does is make it easier for those who abuse underage persons because as writers we are not allowed to bring them and their nefarious activities into the light.

Google "Motherless" + "Nullo girl" + Melissabrowne"! If you do, you will realise that she was brought into the world to be raised as a "Nullo girl sex slave". But we are not allowed to bring this horrendous abuse into the light because some idiotic, moronic, stupid, do-goodering, meddling fucking anal retards have decided to pass the 18+ law.

Moronic it might be, but it's their LAW.
So campaign for the law to be changed.
But do please remember that Lit AH is not a site for political campaigning.

 

[oggbashan]

Correction - the idiots are those who think that by forcing writers to write about 18+ means that there is no underage sex in the world. Ostrich + head + sand. In fact what this moronic US law does is make it easier for those who abuse underage persons because as writers we are not allowed to bring them and their nefarious activities into the light.

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Correction again.

The 18+ rule on Literotica is NOT because of the law. It is a rule set by the owners of this private site.

If anyone wants to write about sex between 17 year olds there are other sites that allow it and much more.

But 18+ is LITEROTICA'S RULE.

Accept it or your story will be rejected by the owners. It is their personal decision.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Correction - the idiots are those who think that by forcing writers to write about 18+ means that there is no underage sex in the world. Ostrich + head + sand. In fact what this moronic US law does is make it easier for those who abuse underage persons because as writers we are not allowed to bring them and their nefarious activities into the light.

Google "Motherless" + "Nullo girl" + Melissabrowne"! If you do, you will realise that she was brought into the world to be raised as a "Nullo girl sex slave". But we are not allowed to bring this horrendous abuse into the light because some idiotic, moronic, stupid, do-goodering, meddling fucking anal retards have decided to pass the 18+ law.

Um... there is no law in the US prohibiting writing about underage sex. There aren't even laws per se about writing about children in sexual situations. Lolita, Romeo and Juliet, and expose's about sexual slavery are all available in libraries and online. I don't know where you get your misinformation about US law or your hatred of do-gooders from, but it's annoying. The last major case against a fictional story I know of was overturned in 1936 - James Joyce's Ulysses. There are cases of schools taking stuff off the library shelves (The Catcher in the Rye still gets chased around occasionally) but that's not US law, that's schools fussing over what constitutes safe environments for kids, and it generally ends up back on the shelves.

In general, the question of what kids should be exposed to and when, is volatile and there's a lot of different opinion on the topic, a lot of it poorly informed on both sides. I don't have respect for people pulling information about sex and pregnancy off the shelves in middle school, but I'm not down with mostly naked sexualized dance competitions involving 8 year olds either, and we've have both in the last 10 years. What I am ok with is debate on the topic - but your post looks to me like an attempt to shut down debate. Raise some children, and then join the debate, is my suggestion.

 

[TxRad]

Correction - the idiots are those who think that by forcing writers to write about 18+ means that there is no underage sex in the world. Ostrich + head + sand. In fact what this moronic US law does is make it easier for those who abuse underage persons because as writers we are not allowed to bring them and their nefarious activities into the light.

Google "Motherless" + "Nullo girl" + Melissabrowne"! If you do, you will realise that she was brought into the world to be raised as a "Nullo girl sex slave". But we are not allowed to bring this horrendous abuse into the light because some idiotic, moronic, stupid, do-goodering, meddling fucking anal retards have decided to pass the 18+ law.

I'll put this as simple as i can. You can write anything you want about anything you want. You just can't post anything sexual under 18 on Lit. Period. No laws are involved. Lit is a privately owned site. They make the rules. Period.

 

[Handley_Page]

after thinking for a time I decided to go with college after all.

One thing though - I'm not familiar with USA colleges and some details about how things are done there. Can someone help me via pm with research? I could get you a list of (non-sexual) questions, and you could help me figure things out. Its mainly about things like curriculum, how dormitories are organized and so on.

In stead of making all this fuss, and trying to write it as if it is in the US education system, why not just pick your own system and shift the ages a couple of yeasrs ?

 

[Nezhul]

In stead of making all this fuss, and trying to write it as if it is in the US education system, why not just pick your own system and shift the ages a couple of yeasrs ?

Because we have a very different education than in US. Here, 90% of people attend local institute (every large city has one) while living with parents in appartments. We don't have a lot of houses here - probably less than 2% of people live in their own house.
Overall, I just don't like Russia as a setting.

And anyway, I had the impression that it's up to me to decide what setting to use for my stories. I don't understand such questions as "why would you make that setting" at all. I want. So I make it. I thought such things do not need to be explained. I want to set it up in US - I do that. I want India, New Zealand, Australia, Africa - I will do that. How I do my research shouldn't concern you.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Um... there is no law in the US prohibiting writing about underage sex. There aren't even laws per se about writing about children in sexual situations. Lolita, Romeo and Juliet, and expose's about sexual slavery are all available in libraries and online.

Yes, this. And worse stuff too, such as de Sade's pedo-snuff stories.

 

[oggbashan]

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And anyway, I had the impression that it's up to me to decide what setting to use for my stories. I don't understand such questions as "why would you make that setting" at all. I want. So I make it. I thought such things do not need to be explained. I want to set it up in US - I do that. I want India, New Zealand, Australia, Africa - I will do that. How I do my research shouldn't concern you.

It isn't a problem if you want to write a story set in another country. The only problem occurs when any author challenges Lit's rule on no sex before age 18. As long as the characters, wherever they are set, are 18 and over we authors can do what we want.

I live in the UK. The age for consent is 16. People can marry at age 16 with parental consent, and at 18 without parental consent. One of my cousins married on her 16th birthday and in two years time they will celebrate their 60th wedding anniversary.

But I can't write FOR LITEROTICA about UK people having sex before age 18. I could if I post the story in the UK or in many other countries including the US. For the UK I could write about two 16 year olds at school and have them bonking like rabbits - but not for Literotica.