Advice after Manchester

[OldJourno]

Here's a bit of wisdom from, apparently, one of Britain's respected journalists:

"There's only one way Britain should respond to attacks such as Manchester. That is by carrying on exactly as before." —The UK Independent's Andrew Buncombe

What's your take on this statement? If you were in charge, what would you do to prevent another Manchester?
Is doing nothing the answer?

 

[silver gurl]

That is the advice that is always given after an attack in the States.

 

[HisArpy]

Here's a bit of wisdom from, apparently, one of Britain's respected journalists:

"There's only one way Britain should respond to attacks such as Manchester. That is by carrying on exactly as before." —The UK Independent's Andrew Buncombe

What's your take on this statement? If you were in charge, what would you do to prevent another Manchester?
Is doing nothing the answer?

He's trying to channel his inner Churchill.

 

[hobbit.]

Here's a bit of wisdom from, apparently, one of Britain's respected journalists:

"There's only one way Britain should respond to attacks such as Manchester. That is by carrying on exactly as before." —The UK Independent's Andrew Buncombe

What's your take on this statement? If you were in charge, what would you do to prevent another Manchester?
Is doing nothing the answer?

indeed, we should all give our full support to their proxy wars (i.e the ones which dont effect them), fall out with other humans to the point at which we would all happily kill each other or die for 'the' cause.

its all a waste of time. St annes Sq smells nice today, it'll stink in a few days when the flowers start to rot though.

 

[oggbashan]

At least five terrorist plots have been stopped between the Westminster attack and the Manchester bombing.

The threat level has been raised to Critical - the highest level. That implies more resources given to preventing terrorist attacks and less to normal criminal activity, including some armed troops on the streets.

As far as the general public are concerned, going on with their normal lives, with at least some awareness of people behaving unusually, is a reasonable response.

Perhaps they should have given some thought to what they should do if a terrorist incident occurs where they are. The official advice is "Run, Hide, and only call the Police when it is safe to".

 

[KingOrfeo]

Here's a bit of wisdom from, apparently, one of Britain's respected journalists:

"There's only one way Britain should respond to attacks such as Manchester. That is by carrying on exactly as before." —The UK Independent's Andrew Buncombe

What's your take on this statement? If you were in charge, what would you do to prevent another Manchester?
Is doing nothing the answer?

Apart from investigating the case for possible accomplices, and what they're already doing according to Ogg, yes, it is.

 

[milehighcityman]

I think that it is a good idea for the citizens to carry on as before, return to normalcy as much as is possible. That promotes social and economic stability. However, the government and law enforcement needs to learn as much as possible from the attack and adjust accordingly. These guys had recently traveled to and from Libya several times where they were likely being trained. Find out who else has recently traveled to similar areas of Libya recently and flag them or more.

 

[oggbashan]

I think that it is a good idea for the citizens to carry on as before, return to normalcy as much as is possible. That promotes social and economic stability. However, the government and law enforcement needs to learn as much as possible from the attack and adjust accordingly. These guys had recently traveled to and from Libya several times where they were likely being trained. Find out who else has recently traveled to similar areas of Libya recently and flag them or more.

There are 500 active investigations into 3,000 individuals in the UK at present. Which one of those 3,000 is an imminent threat? That's the hard decision.

As for training? The bomber's father would have all the knowledge needed.

 

[KingOrfeo]

There are 500 active investigations into 3,000 individuals in the UK at present. Which one of those 3,000 is an imminent threat? That's the hard decision.

As for training? The bomber's father would have all the knowledge needed.

What, does he work with explosives?

 

[Mahnoor]

Omg, I just heard about hashtag's father being arrested, it's so shocking!

 

[oggbashan]

What, does he work with explosives?

No.

1. He was with Colonel Gaddifi's security services, and later

2. He was with militants opposing Colonel Gaddifi.

3. He was living in Libya recently and was arrested there.

In roles 1 and 2 (and probably 3) he would have been using military technology. In role 2 he would probably have been making IEDs. Anyone with that history in Libya would have been in close contact with bomb makers.

 

[nowisthetime]

There's always going to be terrorism, you cannot let it cripple your daily living.

After all, the KKK had been bombing churches and terrorizing people in this country for two centuries. Black folk have been carrying on with their daily activities.


These terrorists want people to be afraid and their freedom to be limited.

Go against that!

Worry about the GOP trying to destroy the middle and lower class in America. That's a more ominous threat.

 

[OldJourno]

After all, the KKK had been bombing churches and terrorizing people in this country for two centuries. Black folk have been carrying on with their daily activities.

Worry about the GOP trying to destroy the middle and lower class in America. That's a more ominous threat.

Yeah, those three KKK attacks yesterday, er, 60 years ago, really grabbed the headlines. And it all went away because we ignored it.
And please explain how the GOP is trying to destroy the middle and lower class.

As for terrorism, I read the headlines and a lot of stories focus on backlash against Muslims.
Maybe we need some backlash.

 

[Rightguide]

Yeah, those three KKK attacks yesterday, er, 60 years ago, really grabbed the headlines. And it all went away because we ignored it.
And please explain how the GOP is trying to destroy the middle and lower class.

As for terrorism, I read the headlines and a lot of stories focus on backlash against Muslims.
Maybe we need some backlash.

KKK bombings? God Damn, the dumb runs wide and deep on Lit.

 

[Ishmael]

No.

1. He was with Colonel Gaddifi's security services, and later

2. He was with militants opposing Colonel Gaddifi.

3. He was living in Libya recently and was arrested there.

In roles 1 and 2 (and probably 3) he would have been using military technology. In role 2 he would probably have been making IEDs. Anyone with that history in Libya would have been in close contact with bomb makers.

While true, the device itself was relatively unsophisticated regardless of the carnage caused. Nothing that couldn't have been cooked up in the kitchen sink from a decent IED 'cook book.' Those books are readily available off the internet.

Yeah, those three KKK attacks yesterday, er, 60 years ago, really grabbed the headlines. And it all went away because we ignored it.
And please explain how the GOP is trying to destroy the middle and lower class.

As for terrorism, I read the headlines and a lot of stories focus on backlash against Muslims.
Maybe we need some backlash.

Or a lot for that matter. The media panned Trump's speech in Saudi Arabia but the nut of it was, "clean up your house or be relegated to poverty and squalor." His speech wasn't some new revelation, merely a voicing of what others have been saying for quite some time now. Don't tell us you're a religion of "peace", show us. And 'showing' us is going to require that you, as Muslims, are going to have to start turning in those that speak in terms of violence. Those that refuse to obey the secular laws of the country in which you have chosen to be a citizen of. They must be forced to understand that if they are sympathetic to, aiding, or just merely turning a blind eye that they too are no better than the individuals that commit the act. That their religion is not a shield of indemnity. And the fact that those that commit these acts ARE doing so in the name of their religion makes it even more incumbent upon them to act and to act with vigor.

And likewise those political leaders that allow the Muslim community as a whole to be 'excused' should likewise be shunned.

The bombing at the Ariana Grande concert was not just some opportunity to achieve maximum carnage because a crowd had gathered. Grande's audience is primarily young females. And her message is one of female empowerment. That bombing was nothing more than the equivalent of the assholes that broke into the all female school in Afghanistan and shot all the students. It was meant to send a message and the media, so far, has failed to 'get it.'

Ishmael

 

[Ms_Ann]

You could always round up the bomber's family, the accomplice's families and lop their heads off.



Just a thought.

 

[magicalmoments]

Here's a bit of wisdom from, apparently, one of Britain's respected journalists:

"There's only one way Britain should respond to attacks such as Manchester. That is by carrying on exactly as before." —The UK Independent's Andrew Buncombe

What's your take on this statement? If you were in charge, what would you do to prevent another Manchester?
Is doing nothing the answer?

I don't equate carrying on exactly as before with doing nothing.

If I was in charge I'd be encouraging the populace at large to carry on exactly as before whilst encouraging the backroom secret squirrels to double their efforts to identifying the culprits and their associates.

From my observations it seems to be what happens in most western countries that have to put up with terrorist attacks.

The alternative of massive retaliation against apparent guilty sectors of the community are counter productive as the Brits eventually learned in northern Ireland and the Israelis have yet to learn in Palestine..

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I come from and was raised by people who get even. Payback is cathartic.


https://www.thoughtco.com/the-penalty-of-death-by-mencken-1690267

 

[dolf]

Here's a bit of wisdom from, apparently, one of Britain's respected journalists:

"There's only one way Britain should respond to attacks such as Manchester. That is by carrying on exactly as before." —The UK Independent's Andrew Buncombe

What's your take on this statement? If you were in charge, what would you do to prevent another Manchester?
Is doing nothing the answer?

unless you're a member of the security services, of course it is.

what a silly question.

 

[bobb_sledd]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. I may not know what THE answer is, but I would submit that “carry on exactly as before” is not it!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The advice should not be going to the citizens but the security organizations.

Let's focus a bit less on rights and Muslim outreach and start focusing on those known to us including frequent and random detainment for questioning and habitat searches. And while we're at it, every time a relative, Imam or fellow Muslim describes suspicious behavior, let's do the same. When the leave for overseas destinations, let's do a better job of tracking their movements and a much better job of vetting them, even if it takes months, before allowing them to come back home where we will continue to aggressively surveil them. You might offend their community in the short run, but in the long run, they will respect what you are doing because it makes their community safer and keeps their religion out of the spotlight.

 

[oggbashan]

The advice should not be going to the citizens but the security organizations.

Let's focus a bit less on rights and Muslim outreach and start focusing on those known to us including frequent and random detainment for questioning and habitat searches. And while we're at it, every time a relative, Imam or fellow Muslim describes suspicious behavior, let's do the same. When the leave for overseas destinations, let's do a better job of tracking their movements and a much better job of vetting them, even if it takes months, before allowing them to come back home where we will continue to aggressively surveil them. You might offend their community in the short run, but in the long run, they will respect what you are doing because it makes their community safer and keeps their religion out of the spotlight.

If we had the resources to do that, we would.

With 500 investigations into 3,000 individuals the UK's security services are already stretched. Today's news suggests that the number of radical Muslims who could be 'potential suspects' is 21,000. Previous information said that it takes about 20 people to fully monitor ONE suspect. Even 20 security staff times 3,000 individual suspects = 60,000 security personnel. We in the UK don't have that many.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If we had the resources to do that, we would.

With 500 investigations into 3,000 individuals the UK's security services are already stretched. Today's news suggests that the number of radical Muslims who could be 'potential suspects' is 21,000. Previous information said that it takes about 20 people to fully monitor ONE suspect. Even 20 security staff times 3,000 individual suspects = 60,000 security personnel. We in the UK don't have that many.

Good thing that you maintain your social programs though.


That's the true key to safety, security and prosperity... no?

 

[about_average]

Here's a bit of wisdom from, apparently, one of Britain's respected journalists:

"There's only one way Britain should respond to attacks such as Manchester. That is by carrying on exactly as before." —The UK Independent's Andrew Buncombe

What's your take on this statement? If you were in charge, what would you do to prevent another Manchester?
Is doing nothing the answer?

That's really what you took away from the comment?

 

[Ishmael]

If we had the resources to do that, we would.

With 500 investigations into 3,000 individuals the UK's security services are already stretched. Today's news suggests that the number of radical Muslims who could be 'potential suspects' is 21,000. Previous information said that it takes about 20 people to fully monitor ONE suspect. Even 20 security staff times 3,000 individual suspects = 60,000 security personnel. We in the UK don't have that many.

Which begs the question, "Why invite them in?" The behavior we are observing today goes WAY back. Almost a millennia of history there. When they aren't killing the infidel and the barbarian they're killing each other. When some borderline defective pipes up and tells me that it's our fault that they behave the way they do it's all I can do to restrain myself from punching them in the head. You know, knocking some sense into them.

Ishmael