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And that's why the numbers cannot be believed.
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And that's why the numbers cannot be believed.
stickygirl
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Looking at this explanation means the numbers need to be refined not ignored. The difference isn't going to be significant but it illustrates again how England in particular has a slipshod Trump-style leadership. Boris claimed in PMQs that the UK had the finest track & trace system of any country, which is a blatant lie.
I don't want to turn my posts here into rabid anti-Boris diatribes, but ffs, he keeps stepping on his own turds every day and demonstrates he is not fit to lead a dog. "Oh but he was elected with a huge majority!" is like saying "Malboro cigarettes are the most popular!"
I think this is the first time I have ever written the word slipshod
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England has screwed up again (not Scotland or Wales that have more accurate data) and the govt has paused the daily count of Covid deaths. If people recover from Cov19 but later die, their death is still currently attributed to the virus. This came to light after a man, possibly the most unlucky person in the UK, died recently:
“A patient who has tested positive, but [was then] successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a Covid death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later,” added Prof Loke and Prof Heneghan.
His coffin has been epoxied and nailed shut just in case.
The only figure you can trust is the excess deaths. That is quite simple you take the predicted number of deaths based on existing trends and subtract them from the actual figure. The result is the number of deaths that can be attributed to the only factor that has changed, Corona Virus. The government don't like to use this figure because it is uncomfortably high. If a patient dies because Corona virus patients have taken up all the intensive care beds, then that patient has died because of Corona virus.
What the new massaging of the figures is all about is a government trying to hide the extent of their own incompetence. How can anyone respect a government which quarantined their own subjects that they flew out of china while accepting travellers from all the countries where the infection was rampant.
The Guardian view on Irish politics: an enviable beauty is born
Editorial
20 June 2020
As Britain cuts itself off from the modern world amid the delusions of Brexit,
Ireland is playing its part with growing assurance
The new nation is the Irish Republic. There are three connected reasons for saying
a 98-year-old nation is new. The first is Ireland’s latest government, which took office
in June. For almost a century, Irish politics have been shaped by the civil war of 1922-23.
Ever since then, the country has been ruled either by Fine Gael, which is descended from
the group that supported the treaty of 1921 with Britain, or, more often, by Fianna Fáil,
whose forebears rejected it.
Until now the two ancient rivals have never been willing to serve in the same
coalition. Since last month they are doing so, along with the Greens.
December 2022, leadership will rotate to Fine Gael’s Leo Varadkar.
A generation ago, this coalition was unthinkable. Now it feels inevitable.
The second reason why this feels like a new Ireland is Covid-19.
Dublin has watched what is happening in Europe and followed WHO advice.
The upshot is a coronavirus death rate that is half Britain’s.
This elides into the third reason. Unlike Brexit-deluded Britain,
21st-century Ireland is a firm believer in multilateral institutions
and cooperation.
In the words of the Economist: “On a per-head basis, Ireland has a good claim
to be the world’s most diplomatically powerful country.”
Where is this leading? The coalition has a clear majority. All three parties voted
decisively for it. But the early weeks have been messy.
The post-pandemic reopening of pubs this week has had to be pushed back
because of a spike in cases. Sinn Féin has plenty to aim at.
Ireland is prospering by doing things more rationally and in ways that are firmly
rooted in the state’s membership of multilateral institutions.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-on-irish-politics-an-enviable-beauty-is-born
OTOH, Boris Johnson is next door.
Editorial
20 June 2020
As Britain cuts itself off from the modern world amid the delusions of Brexit,
Ireland is playing its part with growing assurance
The new nation is the Irish Republic. There are three connected reasons for saying
a 98-year-old nation is new. The first is Ireland’s latest government, which took office
in June. For almost a century, Irish politics have been shaped by the civil war of 1922-23.
Ever since then, the country has been ruled either by Fine Gael, which is descended from
the group that supported the treaty of 1921 with Britain, or, more often, by Fianna Fáil,
whose forebears rejected it.
Until now the two ancient rivals have never been willing to serve in the same
coalition. Since last month they are doing so, along with the Greens.
December 2022, leadership will rotate to Fine Gael’s Leo Varadkar.
A generation ago, this coalition was unthinkable. Now it feels inevitable.
The second reason why this feels like a new Ireland is Covid-19.
Dublin has watched what is happening in Europe and followed WHO advice.
The upshot is a coronavirus death rate that is half Britain’s.
This elides into the third reason. Unlike Brexit-deluded Britain,
21st-century Ireland is a firm believer in multilateral institutions
and cooperation.
In the words of the Economist: “On a per-head basis, Ireland has a good claim
to be the world’s most diplomatically powerful country.”
Where is this leading? The coalition has a clear majority. All three parties voted
decisively for it. But the early weeks have been messy.
The post-pandemic reopening of pubs this week has had to be pushed back
because of a spike in cases. Sinn Féin has plenty to aim at.
Ireland is prospering by doing things more rationally and in ways that are firmly
rooted in the state’s membership of multilateral institutions.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-on-irish-politics-an-enviable-beauty-is-born
OTOH, Boris Johnson is next door.
22 July 2020
- John Crace
The only person unable to see quite how damaged Boris is, is Boris himself.
He is the emperor with no clothes and it’s not a pretty sight.
Even when he’s losing badly, he imagines himself to be a winner.
The Tory MP Nusrat Ghani suggested he might care to spend his
staycation recess reading Winnie the Pooh. Boris’s eyes lit up.
There were too many Eeyores on the Labour benches.
What the country needed was a Tigger like him.
Except it doesn’t. What the UK really needs
is a grown-up in charge. And what we’ve got
is an infantile narcissist.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...or-with-no-clothes-and-its-not-a-pretty-sight
- John Crace
The only person unable to see quite how damaged Boris is, is Boris himself.
He is the emperor with no clothes and it’s not a pretty sight.
Even when he’s losing badly, he imagines himself to be a winner.
The Tory MP Nusrat Ghani suggested he might care to spend his
staycation recess reading Winnie the Pooh. Boris’s eyes lit up.
There were too many Eeyores on the Labour benches.
What the country needed was a Tigger like him.
Except it doesn’t. What the UK really needs
is a grown-up in charge. And what we’ve got
is an infantile narcissist.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...or-with-no-clothes-and-its-not-a-pretty-sight
WTF happened ? China is buying PPE from France
It is not a matter of of lacking masks.
PARIS — France is reporting a sharp uptick in coronavirus cases, with more than 1,000
new infections on Thursday, as people let their guard down heading into the country’s
summer break.
Health authorities say cases on the French mainland have surged by 66% in the past
three weeks, with a 26% increase in the last week alone. Concerns about rising cases
had already prompted the government to make mask-wearing mandatory in all indoor
public spaces this week.
In their daily update on France’s outbreak that has already killed 30,182, health authorities
said people aren’t taking as much care to socially distance and that “our recent habits have
favored the spread of the virus for several weeks now.”
“During the summer and the holidays, it can seem artificial to keep one’s distance
when greeting each other, to keep apart when chatting, to regularly wash hands and to
wear masks in closed spaces. But this individual and collective effort is crucial to prevent
the virus from trampling on our freedom and the epidemic from rebounding.”
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/article244427232.html
It is not a matter of of lacking masks.
PARIS — France is reporting a sharp uptick in coronavirus cases, with more than 1,000
new infections on Thursday, as people let their guard down heading into the country’s
summer break.
Health authorities say cases on the French mainland have surged by 66% in the past
three weeks, with a 26% increase in the last week alone. Concerns about rising cases
had already prompted the government to make mask-wearing mandatory in all indoor
public spaces this week.
In their daily update on France’s outbreak that has already killed 30,182, health authorities
said people aren’t taking as much care to socially distance and that “our recent habits have
favored the spread of the virus for several weeks now.”
“During the summer and the holidays, it can seem artificial to keep one’s distance
when greeting each other, to keep apart when chatting, to regularly wash hands and to
wear masks in closed spaces. But this individual and collective effort is crucial to prevent
the virus from trampling on our freedom and the epidemic from rebounding.”
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/article244427232.html
Boris Johnson: obesity drive will not be 'bossy or nannying'
Campaigners welcome plans but there is scepticism about how effective they will prove
27 Jul 2020
Downing Street has put Johnson at the centre of efforts to promote the strategy, which
the prime minister decided to push ahead with after concluding his own weight had
played a significant role in his serious bout of coronavirus.
No 10 launched the plan on Monday with a social media video of Johnson explaining
how he had “wanted to lose weight for ages and ages”, and had been “way overweight”
when he was in intensive care suffering from Covid-19.
Johnson said he now began his day by running with the Downing Street dog, Dilyn,
saying: “The great thing about going for a run at the beginning of the day is nothing
could be worse for the rest of the day.”
The government proposals were, he said, “just trying to help people a little bit to bring
their weight down – not in an excessively bossy or nannying way, I hope”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...n-obesity-drive-will-not-be-bossy-or-nannying
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...ions?page=with:block-5f1ec8428f080665365e663c
31 May 2020
The reasons why they think this could elude only someone who is supposed to be a genius
at reading public opinion. Everyone who has had to make sacrifices during this crisis – and
that is many millions of people – has felt stung by the discovery that it was one rule for them
and another for Boris Johnson’s court favourite. Those voters who were still inclined to give
the government the benefit of the doubt when it claimed “we’re all in it together” have been
made to feel like credulous dupes.
(Some of America's dupes seem determined to sleep- walk through all of it. Pretend it was a dream.)
He was sounding almost plausible until he made the claim that the 60-mile round trip to
a beauty spot on Easter Sunday, which just happened to be his wife’s birthday, was to
test whether he was fit to drive. Was that the best that the grand wizards of spin at
Number 10 could come up with? What alternative alibis did they discard as too
risible before they alighted on that one? Or did he fail to come up with a more
credible explanation for the side tour to Barnard Castle because he was too busy
rewriting old blogs so he could claim he had warned about a pandemic when he
hadn’t? People will put up with a lot from their governments, but being taken
for idiots who will fall for anything is not one of them.
One of the reveals of this affair – actually, more of a confirmation than a reveal –
is that the people running Number 10 do take their fellow Britons to be fools.
Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings secured their seats of power by manufacturing
a “people versus the elite” narrative with themselves self-cast as the tribunes
of the plebs. This was always counterfeit. Mr Johnson is a Latin-quoting Old
Etonian. Mr Cummings’s father-in-law lives in a castle. The chasm between
what they claim to be and what they truly are has now been definitively
exposed. One Tory MP comments: “People are furious. I keep hearing
‘one rule for us’. It’s doing serious damage.” The prime minister and
his chief adviser are now the faces of an out-of-touch, hypocritical,
unaccountable, unapologetic, unshamable elite.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...k-the-public-for-fools-now-they-want-his-head
Campaigners welcome plans but there is scepticism about how effective they will prove
27 Jul 2020
Downing Street has put Johnson at the centre of efforts to promote the strategy, which
the prime minister decided to push ahead with after concluding his own weight had
played a significant role in his serious bout of coronavirus.
No 10 launched the plan on Monday with a social media video of Johnson explaining
how he had “wanted to lose weight for ages and ages”, and had been “way overweight”
when he was in intensive care suffering from Covid-19.
Johnson said he now began his day by running with the Downing Street dog, Dilyn,
saying: “The great thing about going for a run at the beginning of the day is nothing
could be worse for the rest of the day.”
The government proposals were, he said, “just trying to help people a little bit to bring
their weight down – not in an excessively bossy or nannying way, I hope”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...n-obesity-drive-will-not-be-bossy-or-nannying
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...ions?page=with:block-5f1ec8428f080665365e663c
31 May 2020
The reasons why they think this could elude only someone who is supposed to be a genius
at reading public opinion. Everyone who has had to make sacrifices during this crisis – and
that is many millions of people – has felt stung by the discovery that it was one rule for them
and another for Boris Johnson’s court favourite. Those voters who were still inclined to give
the government the benefit of the doubt when it claimed “we’re all in it together” have been
made to feel like credulous dupes.
(Some of America's dupes seem determined to sleep- walk through all of it. Pretend it was a dream.)
He was sounding almost plausible until he made the claim that the 60-mile round trip to
a beauty spot on Easter Sunday, which just happened to be his wife’s birthday, was to
test whether he was fit to drive. Was that the best that the grand wizards of spin at
Number 10 could come up with? What alternative alibis did they discard as too
risible before they alighted on that one? Or did he fail to come up with a more
credible explanation for the side tour to Barnard Castle because he was too busy
rewriting old blogs so he could claim he had warned about a pandemic when he
hadn’t? People will put up with a lot from their governments, but being taken
for idiots who will fall for anything is not one of them.
One of the reveals of this affair – actually, more of a confirmation than a reveal –
is that the people running Number 10 do take their fellow Britons to be fools.
Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings secured their seats of power by manufacturing
a “people versus the elite” narrative with themselves self-cast as the tribunes
of the plebs. This was always counterfeit. Mr Johnson is a Latin-quoting Old
Etonian. Mr Cummings’s father-in-law lives in a castle. The chasm between
what they claim to be and what they truly are has now been definitively
exposed. One Tory MP comments: “People are furious. I keep hearing
‘one rule for us’. It’s doing serious damage.” The prime minister and
his chief adviser are now the faces of an out-of-touch, hypocritical,
unaccountable, unapologetic, unshamable elite.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...k-the-public-for-fools-now-they-want-his-head
DeYaKen
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Boris Johnson: obesity drive will not be 'bossy or nannying'
Campaigners welcome plans but there is scepticism about how effective they will prove
27 Jul 2020
Downing Street has put Johnson at the centre of efforts to promote the strategy, which
the prime minister decided to push ahead with after concluding his own weight had
played a significant role in his serious bout of coronavirus.
No 10 launched the plan on Monday with a social media video of Johnson explaining
how he had “wanted to lose weight for ages and ages”, and had been “way overweight”
when he was in intensive care suffering from Covid-19.
Johnson said he now began his day by running with the Downing Street dog, Dilyn,
saying: “The great thing about going for a run at the beginning of the day is nothing
could be worse for the rest of the day.”
The government proposals were, he said, “just trying to help people a little bit to bring
their weight down – not in an excessively bossy or nannying way, I hope”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...n-obesity-drive-will-not-be-bossy-or-nannying
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...ions?page=with:block-5f1ec8428f080665365e663c
31 May 2020
The reasons why they think this could elude only someone who is supposed to be a genius
at reading public opinion. Everyone who has had to make sacrifices during this crisis – and
that is many millions of people – has felt stung by the discovery that it was one rule for them
and another for Boris Johnson’s court favourite. Those voters who were still inclined to give
the government the benefit of the doubt when it claimed “we’re all in it together” have been
made to feel like credulous dupes.
(Some of America's dupes seem determined to sleep- walk through all of it. Pretend it was a dream.)
He was sounding almost plausible until he made the claim that the 60-mile round trip to
a beauty spot on Easter Sunday, which just happened to be his wife’s birthday, was to
test whether he was fit to drive. Was that the best that the grand wizards of spin at
Number 10 could come up with? What alternative alibis did they discard as too
risible before they alighted on that one? Or did he fail to come up with a more
credible explanation for the side tour to Barnard Castle because he was too busy
rewriting old blogs so he could claim he had warned about a pandemic when he
hadn’t? People will put up with a lot from their governments, but being taken
for idiots who will fall for anything is not one of them.
One of the reveals of this affair – actually, more of a confirmation than a reveal –
is that the people running Number 10 do take their fellow Britons to be fools.
Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings secured their seats of power by manufacturing
a “people versus the elite” narrative with themselves self-cast as the tribunes
of the plebs. This was always counterfeit. Mr Johnson is a Latin-quoting Old
Etonian. Mr Cummings’s father-in-law lives in a castle. The chasm between
what they claim to be and what they truly are has now been definitively
exposed. One Tory MP comments: “People are furious. I keep hearing
‘one rule for us’. It’s doing serious damage.” The prime minister and
his chief adviser are now the faces of an out-of-touch, hypocritical,
unaccountable, unapologetic, unshamable elite.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...k-the-public-for-fools-now-they-want-his-head
To illustrate the level of ridicule this has brought about, We now having Facebook posts Showing Specsavers ( a major opticians chain) cars crashed into a wall with the caption "Should have gone to Barnard Castle" Brew Dog ( a craft beer producer) made a beer called "Barnard Castle Sight test"
Johnson's refusal to discipline Cummings in any way and his statement that Cummings was indispensable has revealed who is really running things. Cummings hires and fires all the government advisers, Not the elected MPs but an unelected person is dictating the way the country is run.
stickygirl
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I see the Scots wifey has gone from Covid-19 saint to devolution witch in the usual twinkling of the media's eye. I suppose she can be doing both simultaneously but I wonder how long the press will keep slamming the Bumbler before they start saying what a top bloke he is again? Now he's one person who at least is consistent ( in a bad way ).
Boris attempting to ride a motorcycle BBC America
:roll of the eye, recorded by a former GB member
Up to 2 million extremely vulnerable people shielding in England must not be forced
to return to their workplaces, trade unions have declared
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-back-to-work-heartless-and-reckless-says-tuc
The Guardian ✓
Twitter › guardian
Guardian front page, Friday 31 July 2020:
Employers must not force shielding staff to return to work,
TUC warns
19 minutes ago
No testing at Heathrow ?
:eep
Travel bosses demand end to blanket quarantine
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53578102
:roll of the eye, recorded by a former GB member
Up to 2 million extremely vulnerable people shielding in England must not be forced
to return to their workplaces, trade unions have declared
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-back-to-work-heartless-and-reckless-says-tuc
The Guardian ✓
Twitter › guardian
Guardian front page, Friday 31 July 2020:
Employers must not force shielding staff to return to work,
TUC warns
19 minutes ago
No testing at Heathrow ?
:eep
Travel bosses demand end to blanket quarantine
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53578102
DeYaKen
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The Cummings government is now blaming the English people for regional upsurges in Covid cases.
"They are not following Government Guidelines" This is probably true but as a virologist said on BBC just two days ago. "If you are not confused by the government advice, you haven't been listening'
Whose fault is it that we are not testing people coming in to the country despite being told we have excess testing capacity. Whose fault is it that we have in England, the highest number of excess deaths in the whole of Europe. Whose fault is it that not till the relaxing of lockdown was there any restrictions on people entering the country.
Cummings, via Johnson claims that if he had locked down earlier "according to the science" There would have been lockdown fatigue and it would have broken down. The only scientific body that said that is the one that Cummings ( a man with nothing more than a degree in history ) sits on.
If people are not following Government guidelines it is because the government have destroyed their own credibility.
"They are not following Government Guidelines" This is probably true but as a virologist said on BBC just two days ago. "If you are not confused by the government advice, you haven't been listening'
Whose fault is it that we are not testing people coming in to the country despite being told we have excess testing capacity. Whose fault is it that we have in England, the highest number of excess deaths in the whole of Europe. Whose fault is it that not till the relaxing of lockdown was there any restrictions on people entering the country.
Cummings, via Johnson claims that if he had locked down earlier "according to the science" There would have been lockdown fatigue and it would have broken down. The only scientific body that said that is the one that Cummings ( a man with nothing more than a degree in history ) sits on.
If people are not following Government guidelines it is because the government have destroyed their own credibility.
stickygirl
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So... re-opening schools. Lets see how Gavin Canute Williamson pulls this off: stern warnings to viruses? Detention for covid sufferers? Remedial classes in ICU? Or the govt's favourite "Fuck it, they're only kids and won't die anyway, but if we don't take the kids off their parent's hands for a while, they'll never vote for us again."
The Uni is like an obstacle course - I've already walked into a perspex wall ( now has post-it notes to make it visible ).
The Uni is like an obstacle course - I've already walked into a perspex wall ( now has post-it notes to make it visible ).
Jeremy Corbyn's Brother Piers Fined £10,000 Over Trafalgar Square protest
(I had to double, triple check- Yes, this happened, and not a hoax headline.)
Gathering thousands of people together, in public, and blames others for spreading coronavirus.
WTF ? Anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine and anti-mask protesters.
(I had to double, triple check- Yes, this happened, and not a hoax headline.)
Gathering thousands of people together, in public, and blames others for spreading coronavirus.
WTF ? Anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine and anti-mask protesters.
If America does not take precautions, American police may begin behave like this.
As it is, American protesters have been arrested by federal police forces that are
part of offices in American federal government.
Australian journalists abruptly flown out
September 7, 2020
The last two journalists working for Australian media, have left the Asian country
after police demanded interviews with them, the Australian government and
Australian Broadcasting Corp. reported on (Tuesday)
ABC’s Bill Birtles and The Australian Financial Review’s Michael Smith landed
in Sydney on Monday night, ABC reported.
Foreign Minister Marise Payne confirmed that her government had provided
consular support to the two journalists to assist their return to Australia
Both had sheltered in Australian diplomatic compounds in recent days.
Bill Birtles and Michael Smith forced to shelter with Australian diplomats
during negotiations for their safe exit
Police arrived at Birtles’ doorstep last week, demanded he submit
to questioning and told him he was banned from leaving the Asian country,
ABC reported.
Australian officials negotiated for the travel ban to be lifted if Birtles
spoke to police.
from ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corp.)
Bill Birtles ✓
Twitter › billbirtles
#BREAKING
Here is the story detailing the highly sensitive detention of Australian anchor
for @CGTNOfficial Cheng Lei - She is has been detained for more than 2 weeks
but yet to be 'formally arrested' or charged. She is well known in the Aus community.
(link to ABC Australia news)
8 days ago
and AFR (Australian Financial Review)
@mikesmithafr
As it is, American protesters have been arrested by federal police forces that are
part of offices in American federal government.
Australian journalists abruptly flown out
September 7, 2020
The last two journalists working for Australian media, have left the Asian country
after police demanded interviews with them, the Australian government and
Australian Broadcasting Corp. reported on (Tuesday)
ABC’s Bill Birtles and The Australian Financial Review’s Michael Smith landed
in Sydney on Monday night, ABC reported.
Foreign Minister Marise Payne confirmed that her government had provided
consular support to the two journalists to assist their return to Australia
Both had sheltered in Australian diplomatic compounds in recent days.
Bill Birtles and Michael Smith forced to shelter with Australian diplomats
during negotiations for their safe exit
Police arrived at Birtles’ doorstep last week, demanded he submit
to questioning and told him he was banned from leaving the Asian country,
ABC reported.
Australian officials negotiated for the travel ban to be lifted if Birtles
spoke to police.
from ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corp.)
Bill Birtles ✓
Twitter › billbirtles
#BREAKING
Here is the story detailing the highly sensitive detention of Australian anchor
for @CGTNOfficial Cheng Lei - She is has been detained for more than 2 weeks
but yet to be 'formally arrested' or charged. She is well known in the Aus community.
(link to ABC Australia news)
8 days ago
and AFR (Australian Financial Review)
@mikesmithafr
The UK had always had their own, original way of doing things.
Some of their ideas were better, because The People had direct input.
Sadly, American government has much in common with UK government, these days-
The Tories decided that the government was too generous to "the poors,"
about the same time that America's government decided the same thing
for the USA "poors."
Trump only grants gifts to "the poors." if he is able to promote his election through the gifts.
The UK is suffering from the same problems, that coronavirus presents to the USA-
Individual states have their own approach to solving the problem of children that
have no food security- Many children have parents that are picking up free meals
at the schools. Many citizens volunteer and donate labor, money, and food to help.
UK has heartless people in government, just like the USA does.
Conservative MPs have criticised a campaign for free school meals to be offered over the holidays.
Last week England footballer Marcus Rashford launched a petition urging government to make the change.
Some Tory MPs criticised the campaign, with Brendan Clarke-Smith calling for less "celebrity virtue signalling on Twitter".
Five Tory MPs rebelled against the government to support extending free school meals over the holidays.
MPs voted to reject Labour's motion - which called for free school meals to be offered
over the school holidays until Easter 2021 - by 322 votes to 261.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-54620118
Some of their ideas were better, because The People had direct input.
Sadly, American government has much in common with UK government, these days-
The Tories decided that the government was too generous to "the poors,"
about the same time that America's government decided the same thing
for the USA "poors."
Trump only grants gifts to "the poors." if he is able to promote his election through the gifts.
The UK is suffering from the same problems, that coronavirus presents to the USA-
Individual states have their own approach to solving the problem of children that
have no food security- Many children have parents that are picking up free meals
at the schools. Many citizens volunteer and donate labor, money, and food to help.
UK has heartless people in government, just like the USA does.
Conservative MPs have criticised a campaign for free school meals to be offered over the holidays.
Last week England footballer Marcus Rashford launched a petition urging government to make the change.
Some Tory MPs criticised the campaign, with Brendan Clarke-Smith calling for less "celebrity virtue signalling on Twitter".
Five Tory MPs rebelled against the government to support extending free school meals over the holidays.
MPs voted to reject Labour's motion - which called for free school meals to be offered
over the school holidays until Easter 2021 - by 322 votes to 261.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-54620118
The Church of England declared sex is only for married, heterosexual couples.
November 13, 2020
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/11/...ndation-living-love-faith-sexuality-identity/
November 13, 2020
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/11/...ndation-living-love-faith-sexuality-identity/
LLCox
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All kinds of stories and zero proof. Like election fraud.
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That's a bit thin if you're trying to make a point.
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Lies, damned lies and statistics
If you look at history it is quite normal that seeming odd occurrences are recorded and will be attributed or not attributed to a data set. Quite often the parameters of what will be included and excluded are designed quickly and without consideration of real world scenarios. No data is perfect and can be manipulated depending on how you cut the data set. One of the best examples I can think of is during thatcher years when employment figures were increasing so they decided to change the parameters, women with children were no longer unemployed they were house wives caring for the family.
The data they have been presenting hasn’t been very clear and it been done quickly. The interesting data set is the excess deaths because there will be people who have not died directly from COVID but have died due to situation as they haven’t been able to access treatment etc.
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I'm not the one telling the stories.
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If you're not from the UK, then you could be forgiven for not hearing about that particular, well publicised and reported cock-up form the UK agency responsible - in July if you check the date.
Another UK govt cock-up was under-reporting because they were using Excel for entries and Excel has a limit to the number of rows it can contain.
These were well documented problems. STFU
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See... was that so hard. Everybody can find the numbers to make what they think seem right. I skip all that bullshit and see WTF is going on with my own eyes. I see that I need to stay away from you fuckers for starters.
Cheerio and all that
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Each country has a different method for calculating COVID deaths.
The UK changed to a more accurate method but that still excludes 'excess deaths' which would show people who have died because hospitals are dealing with COVID.
If those are counted as COVID-related - which they aren't in any country - the numbers might be 50 or 75% higher.
You can devise your own method for counting and some countries' figures - like China, Russia, and India - are much lower than the reality for political reasons.
The UK changed to a more accurate method but that still excludes 'excess deaths' which would show people who have died because hospitals are dealing with COVID.
If those are counted as COVID-related - which they aren't in any country - the numbers might be 50 or 75% higher.
You can devise your own method for counting and some countries' figures - like China, Russia, and India - are much lower than the reality for political reasons.
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