Aching about the things left unsaid

eudaemonia

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As those of you who followed my little epic last fall about preparing to *finally* ask a certain someone out, a lot of pent up tension and feelings are coming to the surface as an important date nears. Let me explain.

Briefly, for those who might need to hear an expurgated version of the thread, I found myself extremely attracted to one of my (age-appropriate) professors during my 2-1/2 years as his student. The attraction for me is on several levels and, I suspect, is somewhat mutual. But niether of us has ever let on much except that we enjoy talking in and out of class -- both about our mutual scholarly interests but also about our personal lives and backgrounds -- and that we appreciate each other's input into the other's questions about philosophy, teaching methods, child-rearing (his). Even now we email or run into each other ~once a week. Last fall, minutes before I was going to ask him out because that very day I was no longer technically his student, he mentioned that he'd gotten engaged recently. I was stunned but managed to maintain composure.

In the intervening months, I've been disappointed and sad (extremely so those first few days after the bombshell), have tried to not think about it, and have vacillated between just letting it all go and wondering whether it's even ethical to say anything to him at this late date.

Part of me wishes him all the happiness in the world, as he deserves it and has been through a hell of a lot both professionally and personally the last two years. The other part of me recognizes that we all must pursue our values to experience happiness. When it comes to love, there's a huge ethical component to communicating your feelings and intentions. If you want to be loved, you have to be not only open to it but willing to let the other know that you're willing and desiring to love them back.

That all said, I present to the forum my dilemma: Whether to leave the unspoken remain unsaid and forever hold the peace, or state very plainly and simply and without expectation that I've had very strong feelings for him as man and that reciprocated or not, it won't change how I feel about him as a s a mentor and potential colleague.

I'm under no illusions about being able to control anyone else's feelings and that indeed he may get wigged out. My sense is that he won't and I trust myself to handle it well.

I happened to be reading one of those ethical advice columns in the newspaper a couple of weeks ago and another reader presented a similar dilemma. I was quite surprised, frankly, that the columnist advised that there was nothing wrong with going after what's truly in your heart as long as you're not hurting or harming other persons. The columnist broke it down like this:

By *not* saying anything to the gentleman in question, the fiancee is certainly not being harmed; the gentleman is probably not being harmed but may be somewhat better off if he knew someone else reciprocated his feelings; and the woman with strong feelings is certainly harmed if she never speaks up.

Of course I'm looking for any evidence to support my position. That's natural I think. But if it's also true that I have nothing to lose by speaking up before it's really too late -- the wedding is late next month -- and no one is going to be harmed, then is there any good reason not to speak up?

Thoughts?
 
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I just have a simple question. What would hurt more: (1) Never knowing what could have been, had you never told him how you feel, or (2) Telling him how you feel and him still choosing to marry his fiance?

And in light of him being a potential colleague?
 
I guess I'd have to ask myself what my motives are in telling him. On one hand, it would be a relief to you to get your feelings out in the open, but it might make him uncomfortable and he may wonder, "Why is she telling me this?"

On the other hand, it may harm you if you don't get the hoped-reaction, whatever that may be.

Will you still be maintaining a friendship with him? I'm thinking confessions like this could really mess up a perfectly good friendship.

I sympathize with you, E. I've been there a few times, more times than I care to remember. :rose:
 
eudaemonia:

if you were the bride and some floozy put the moves on your man a month away from your wedding day, how would you feel?

i recognize the cost-benefit analysis that columnist gave. but it's wrong, b/c at this point, at the most literal level, wedding reception securities are non-refundable generally. costs of possibly breaking a relationship and a heart (the fiancee's) also should be considered. i don't know how long your former prof and his fiancee have been involved, but note that a wedding isn't usually about 2 people--it's usually about 2 families.

it makes for a good movie, but when there's every chance he's going to say no, and quite possibly resent your putting him on the spot that way, i really think it's a bad idea.

JMHO.

ed
 
If you have a strong enough hide to risk the embarassment and rejection: go for it! There is only one reason to tell him and that is to win him - and, without knowing all the facts, I'd have to say you are starting well back with little chance of sucess. He is presumably a guy of some 'depth' (at least in your opinion) or you wouldn't be so attracted. He probably made his choice with some thought and consideration. You may have completely misread the signs. Doesn't really look good from an objective point of view. But since when is the heart about objectivity!

Faint heart never fair (professor) won!

None of this nonsense about just wanting to express your feelings. If that's the case, you told us - you've expressed! so drop it. But if you really want this guy, and can take it if it all turns out badly, then I think you will wonder "what if?" so go ahead and find out.

Good luck - we're pullin' for you.
 
NaiveOne said:
I just have a simple question. What would hurt more: (1) Never knowing what could have been, had you never told him how you feel, or (2) Telling him how you feel and him still choosing to marry his fiance?

I think this sums it up nicely.

Good Luck with what ever course of action you decide to take. :rose:
 
I wasn't going to post a reply so soon, but just to clear up some things:

Everything that's been said so far I've turned over dozens of times in my own mind. I'm at the point that I'd rather know his feelings more than anything, and I'm fairly certain in this man's response that he'll be neither surprised nor embarrassed. After all, he devoted a whole lecture on ethics and love one day in class last Spring term as part of an explanation why he teaches Metaphysics the way he does. (He completely 86'ed the planned lecture for the day, and totally cuffed it off. Everyone was bewildered.)

As far as my motivations, here it is: 1) To vent some of my pent up tension in an environment that I consider safe and supportive (and yes, empathetic); and 2) as far as he is concerned I unequivocally want to win him and can take whatever his response is.

The past few weeks I've been observing couples, reading what's said here Lit, hearing others' stories about getting engaged, all the hoopla over what the in-laws want, etc. If he's happy where he's headed, very little I say will make much difference and I'm already nearly gone from his sphere of life anyway. I'll be out of sight/mind very soon. But if he's been wondering about me (given some of the things he's said recently), and whether he's doing the right thing about who he's marrying, ("Oh, it will work out very well!" is kinda of a strange thing to say, in my mind), then it's possible (or not, of course!) that something I say might be welcomed.

I haven't decided yet whether to say anything at all. Something he said the other week makes me wonder about this wedding coming off at all. It'll take place in his hometown in Eastern Europe, where I happen to be headed for a philosophy conference. Maybe that's all that's truly getting to me.

Thanks for posting, everyone.
 
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bobsgirl said:
I guess I'd have to ask myself what my motives are in telling him. On one hand, it would be a relief to you to get your feelings out in the open, but it might make him uncomfortable and he may wonder, "Why is she telling me this?"

On the other hand, it may harm you if you don't get the hoped-reaction, whatever that may be.

Will you still be maintaining a friendship with him? I'm thinking confessions like this could really mess up a perfectly good friendship.

I sympathize with you, E. I've been there a few times, more times than I care to remember. :rose:


Sorry I have to agree with bg. Leave it as it is. He knows where you are...if he had similar feelings for you and any doubt about his commitment to his fiancee, he'd be talking to you.

I think that columnist's cost benefit analysis is off...there's lost of room for hurt....yours included.
 
Eudaemonia,

As much as I understand your reasoning (and the need to do so for your own piece of mind) I think you will get hurt if you persue this.

From what I see (read) of you you are quite the romantic and this has something to do with that. But what if....

What if you tell him and he calls off the wedding? That does not guarantee a "happily ever after" for the two of you... Plus, won't you start wondering after a while? If you can talk him out of his wedding plans then how easy will it be for the next woman to talk him out of a relationship with you?

Obviously I don't know him but if he was someone who had planned to marry someone else and had not "barged out" himself at this stage I would hope he was sure of what he was doing and be serious about it. For the other woman's sake and for your sake because if your plan would work you would be left with a man who does not stand by his own decisions...

At least, that's how I would feel.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do :rose:
 
I agree with M's girl.

Maybe you could talk to him about his fiance. Find out why he asked her to marry him. You mentioned that it seems like he is getting cold feet, or something. So talk to him about it. Find out how committed he really is to this girl. Just be a friend. If he sees something in you, he'll make the right decision.

And I just want to make sure someoen says this:

Absolutley do not sleep with him- you don't want to be the fling when he realized he will be having sex with one person the rest of his life.
 
NaiveOne said:
And I just want to make sure someoen says this:

Absolutley do not sleep with him- you don't want to be the fling when he realized he will be having sex with one person the rest of his life.

This deserves repeating.
 
NaiveOne said:
Maybe you could talk to him about his fiance. Find out why he asked her to marry him.

We've talked quite a bit and I know some of the reasons why. There's a significant political and nationalistic component to it. Love? If does feel that, he never talks about it. He doesn't exhibit those usual signs of a man in love. And she's not looking forward to living in America (she's French-Canadian).

And I just want to make sure someoen says this:

Absolutley do not sleep with him- you don't want to be the fling when he realized he will be having sex with one person the rest of his life.

Thanks. No worries there. I have strong anti-fling tendencies. <g>
 
If life were like the movies, I'd say tell him how you feel. Since life is decidedly not like the movies, I'd find someone else who isn't about to get married.
 
eudaemonia said:
And she's not looking forward to living in America (she's French-Canadian).
You're doomed! The french canadian girls were always considered the 'fast-girls' when I was growing up. ;)

Seriously, though, you mention he is from Europe. French canadians generally are far more sympatico with european values and mores than Americans. This similarity in attitude may underly a significant part of their relationship - and it may extend to damn few romantic illusions (Celine Dion notwithstanding!).

You may discover there is more to this 'fling option' than you think - in his mind at least.
 
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