Academia
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KillerMuffin
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Because the fuckers gave me a B- on a writing assignment.
Bastards.
Bastards.
perks
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it's the classic "those who can't do teach"
and if you can really "do", why are you perpetually in school and "learning" from someone that isn't "doing"
I don't agree with this frame of thought, but I grew up in a family of perpetual students so I know how they were treated. It's an interesting observational experience.
and if you can really "do", why are you perpetually in school and "learning" from someone that isn't "doing"
I don't agree with this frame of thought, but I grew up in a family of perpetual students so I know how they were treated. It's an interesting observational experience.
MissTaken
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lavender said:
Some people just need to blame someone for the current state our world is in.
So why not blame the educational system and the teachers? *note the sarcastic tone*
After all, as a group, they touch more of our future adults and decision makers than anyone else.
It avoids blaming ourselves or the people we voted for.
It is all about avoidance....and KM, a B-? It wasn't the Three Foot No Cock Zone, was it?
Dillinger
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I think there is a certain amount of jealousy involved. Good teachers work hard - and deserve good pay and good benefits. But from the point of view of the regular person working 9 to 5 it looks pretty cushy. You get all holidays off. Many (not all) teachers get summers off - or some of the summer, at least. In colleges and universities they have somewhat flexible scheduled (not tied to a desk 9 to 5).
Again, I'm not saying its easy. But it doesn't look like a bad life at all.
Again, I'm not saying its easy. But it doesn't look like a bad life at all.
KillerMuffin
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Nah, it was an essay. See, in academia, you don't have a minumum number of words. At least three pages means up to 300 if you wanna. I have to tell them something. I have to give them evidence for it. And then I have to explain what I just said. For instance, this is a direct quote from my B- essay, "Vice President Al Gore signed the Kyoto Accords in December of 1997 (Coormansingh)." I didn't suitably explain what I meant by that, so I got a B-
I resubmitted it with the following text: "The United States entered in the Kyoto Accords in December 1997 when Al Gore signed them. Vice President Al Gore signed the Kyoto Accords in December of 1997 (Coormansingh). Essentially, in December of 1997 the then Vice President signed the Kyoto Accords."
I got an A and a smiley face with a GREAT JOB! on it.
*beats head on desk*
I resubmitted it with the following text: "The United States entered in the Kyoto Accords in December 1997 when Al Gore signed them. Vice President Al Gore signed the Kyoto Accords in December of 1997 (Coormansingh). Essentially, in December of 1997 the then Vice President signed the Kyoto Accords."
I got an A and a smiley face with a GREAT JOB! on it.
*beats head on desk*
TheDR4KE
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KillerMuffin said:
You have to admit though that the second version reads much better. You have to just put the new lines in ;-)
Vice President Al Gore
signed the Kyoto
Accords in December
of 1997
(Coormansingh)
What sort of a short little poem is that? Hello?
But then, after your edit:
The United States
entered in the Kyoto
Accords
in December
1997
when Al Gore
signed them.
Vice President Al Gore
signed the Kyoto
Accords in December
of 1997
(Coormansingh)
Essentially,
in December of 1997
the then Vice President
signed the Kyoto
Accords.
Yes. Yes. UP would love it too, I'm sure.
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Samuari
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It seems to me that academics look at ideal situations, perfect solutions, and the best answers. The real world just doesn't work that way. We frequently have to chose between the several bad solutions, and taylor it to fit the personalities involved. Sometimes Management by exception becomes simply manageing the exceptions, if you have enough time between stomping out the fires that pop up all day. then to have an intern tell you that in his organizational mangement seminar "this is the way that we delt with it" and give you a solution that is not only against company policy, but problly illeagle, too.
ARRRRAGH!
ARRRRAGH!
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lavender said:
I would attribute it to a set of values that judges the worth of everything by monetary considerations and has little or no respect for the pursuit of pure knowledge, or understanding of aesthetics that do not directly contribute to financial gain.
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I think thats true, Caroline.
I think that it's not always the money though. I believe that sometimes its the "those that can do, do...those who can't, teach" mentality.
I don't think it's entirely fair, but certainly has an impact, especially at the University level. I know that I always appreciated a teacher/professor who had some level of success in the outside world, prior to teaching. That success, however, did not need to be shown in money.
(After all, I was in music, even the successful ones were usually broke)
Just my 2 cents
I think that it's not always the money though. I believe that sometimes its the "those that can do, do...those who can't, teach" mentality.
I don't think it's entirely fair, but certainly has an impact, especially at the University level. I know that I always appreciated a teacher/professor who had some level of success in the outside world, prior to teaching. That success, however, did not need to be shown in money.
(After all, I was in music, even the successful ones were usually broke)
Just my 2 cents
CarolineOh
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Re: Re: Re: Academia
"Making things work" is a wonderful and necessary pursuit, but it is not the be all and end all of human endeavor.
Samuari said:
"Making things work" is a wonderful and necessary pursuit, but it is not the be all and end all of human endeavor.
KillerMuffin said:
Your frustration is understandable. I don't know about the content of your entire paper, but I wouldn't have deducted one and a half letter grades for you stating a simple point such as that. Now, If you'd not correlated it to the paper, or it were out of context with the surrounding text, and you were just adding 'filler', then I'd consider it a problem.
Now, if you'd handed me the rewritten version originally, I would have given you an F. I think that redundancy is only effective if you use it in good form. That is what we have introductory and concluding paragraphs for. Reinforcement is good, overkill of any one point can be detrimental to how your reader will percieve you. What level of a reader does your professor think you are adressing, anyway? Hell, children would have even gotten it on the first statement.
Contrary to my spelling and sometimes atrocious grammer usage on here, I have 16 semester hours of English, mostly including writing but a bit of literature, and I have never gotten anything lower than a B on a paper. However, I do think that the paper I got the B on was a load of crap, I was simply trying to pass off an assignment for. I didn't even really care, and my professor was really pissed, mainly because he thought I was seriously considering becoming a writer.
Too bad you don't have a teacher who was inspiring. Maybe next semester.
You will be okay. You probably know more about well written material than they'd even know.
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