A weighty issue

[WriterDom]

I was going to write a story once called "Thinner" A nonconsent thing where a guy keeps a bbw locked down in the basement in a cage and makes her thin. Think I'd get some hate mail over that one?

 

[intothewoods]

A few things.

Ideal weight - I'm not sure what your doctors are using, but I've never seen 115 as the idea weight for someone who's 5'10 (fury - I know you said that was your ideal, but just trying to clarify what's healthy).

I also don't think doctors are morons, but they don't receive training in nutrition, or they didn't (that may be changing now).

On weightwatchers.com, there is a range for my height, and the upper end was reasonable for me. I'm curvy, but also athletic and muscular, so I'm not expecting myself to be 120 or something. And that's all I will say on that subject. I hate to discuss my weight.

Stress about weight - No, you shouldn't stress about what the scale says day by day. I do think we should all focus on healthy eating all the time, however.

I'll confess I'm biased. I grew up eating healthy whole foods, and that's how I'm raising my son. I never have processed foods in the house. That's not to say he's never had anything unhealthy - I'm not psycho about it.

As far as my own diet, I try very hard not to waste much time agonizing over my body. There's a difference between being very focused on feeding yourself well and being very focused on deprivation. The former is healthy, the latter is an eating disorder in the making. Besides, if you believe Eve Ensler, we (women) would be ruling the world if we weren't spending all of our time staring at fashion models and wondering why we aren't thinner.

Focus on what you should be eating, not what you shouldn't: fresh fruits and vegetables, organic meat (or cook a whole chicken - not a weird processed boneless chicken breast), whole grains. If you can, try to get local produce. We had a share in a local organic farm before we moved, and the stuff was so fresh, I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Seriously, like orgasmically good.

McDonald's. Believe it or not, after all that, I agree with you, wenchie, that McD's has become an easy target. And while I do think people need to be educated about nutrition, ultimately you have to take responsibility for what you feed yourself and your children.

 

[midwestyankee]

I was going to write a story once called "Thinner" A nonconsent thing where a guy keeps a bbw locked down in the basement in a cage and makes her thin. Think I'd get some hate mail over that one?

Seems to me that you might hear from one S. King for one. He published a novel by that same title in 1984. Not that titles can be copyrighted, but he did use it first.

 

[graceanne]

A few things.

Ideal weight - I'm not sure what your doctors are using, but I've never seen 115 as the idea weight for someone who's 5'10 (fury - I know you said that was your ideal, but just trying to clarify what's healthy).

I also don't think doctors are morons, but they don't receive training in nutrition, or they didn't (that may be changing now).

Maybe you're lucky, and got one of the few non idiotic doctors, but all my doctors are fucking morons. I've had several different doctors nearly kill me on at least two occasions cause they ahve their heads up their asses. I know you're relatively new and don't know this, but believe me when I tell you - you DO NOT want to get me started on the fuckers.

On weightwatchers.com, there is a range for my height, and the upper end was reasonable for me. I'm curvy, but also athletic and muscular, so I'm not expecting myself to be 120 or something. And that's all I will say on that subject. I hate to discuss my weight.

This will be disappearing in about a minute, so if you're curious to know pay attention. I'm 5' tall and I have not been below *** lbs since my last flare up (2005), and that was very brief cause the prednisone ballooned me to *** within a couple of months. (edited to take out weight, and put in that my bmi is 45)

Stress about weight - No, you shouldn't stress about what the scale says day by day. I do think we should all focus on healthy eating all the time, however.

I'll confess I'm biased. I grew up eating healthy whole foods, and that's how I'm raising my son. I never have processed foods in the house. That's not to say he's never had anything unhealthy - I'm not psycho about it.

FYI, I don't eat barely at all. Because of the crohns disease it hurts me to eat. And I mean HURTS. My weigh problems aren't from over eating, their from a combination of under eating, and being off and on prednisone (satan's drug) for long periods of time (6 months +). My doctor says that prednisone has seriously fucked up (my words, not hers) my metabolism.

As far as my own diet, I try very hard not to waste much time agonizing over my body. There's a difference between being very focused on feeding yourself well and being very focused on deprivation. The former is healthy, the latter is an eating disorder in the making. Besides, if you believe Eve Ensler, we (women) would be ruling the world if we weren't spending all of our time staring at fashion models and wondering why we aren't thinner.

Focus on what you should be eating, not what you shouldn't: fresh fruits and vegetables, organic meat (or cook a whole chicken - not a weird processed boneless chicken breast), whole grains. If you can, try to get local produce. We had a share in a local organic farm before we moved, and the stuff was so fresh, I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Seriously, like orgasmically good.

McDonald's. Believe it or not, after all that, I agree with you, wenchie, that McD's has become an easy target. And while I do think people need to be educated about nutrition, ultimately you have to take responsibility for what you feed yourself and your children.

 

[graceanne]

Seems to me that you might hear from one S. King for one. He published a novel by that same title in 1984. Not that titles can be copyrighted, but he did use it first.

That was a CREEPY book. *shivers*

 

[graceanne]

I just checked out what weightwatchers says my weight should be between 102 and 128. Yeah, right.

To be fair my physical therapist said that if my back was straight (I have severe scoliosis) I would be between 5'4 and 5'5". So my target weight would be like 140ish, which is way more likely. (Big frame.)

Also, to be fair to myself, when I get my breast reduction (I wear a 38J - no that's not a typo) my weight will go down. A lot.

 

[midwestyankee]

That was a CREEPY book. *shivers*

Anyone for a piece of pie?

 

[graceanne]

Anyone for a piece of pie?

No thank you. I wasn't able to eat pie for forever after that book.

 

[the captians wench]

Your weight range is 116 to 134 pounds.

I've seen worse, and really my doc said he'd be happy if I got down to 150. I'm 5'3-4ish and 210-215 (another 5lbs gone ).

But when I was in highschool I was a size 10 and 175, then my senior year I blew back up to a 16 but stayed 175. I'm now a 15-16. My goal is to get down to a 10 again, but I'd be happy with a 12. The actual weight part doesn't bother me. It's what I look like I weigh that gets to me and most people wouldn't guess I was over 200lbs by looking at me. Especially when my mom stands beside me. She's a little lighter than I am but she's a size 22.

 

[graceanne]

Your weight range is 116 to 134 pounds.

I've seen worse, and really my doc said he'd be happy if I got down to 150. I'm 5'3-4ish and 210-215 (another 5lbs gone ).

But when I was in highschool I was a size 10 and 175, then my senior year I blew back up to a 16 but stayed 175. I'm now a 15-16. My goal is to get down to a 10 again, but I'd be happy with a 12. The actual weight part doesn't bother me. It's what I look like I weigh that gets to me and most people wouldn't guess I was over 200lbs by looking at me. Especially when my mom stands beside me. She's a little lighter than I am but she's a size 22.

In highschool I weighted 155, and was a size 12, and I looked AWESOME. Most people, if asked, guessed my weight at like 100 and my size at 2.

Also, even now no one would guess my weight at what it is, unless they've seen me in my jammies. Most would guess me about a good 30 lbs less than I actually weigh. I think it's cause I stil have a waist. lol

 

[FurryFury]

<snip>I have to say, I wish that subway had a drive through and a play place. I'd go there a LOT more if they did.

All fast food and many slow dining places should have a play area. They'd get more business if they did IMO. When my kids were little that was a BIG factor in planning play dates when it rained.

Fury

 

[FurryFury]

<snip>And I don't understand why McDonald's is getting all the grief and the other fast food places aren't.

Probably because McDonald's is the biggest and most successful?

I do agree however that the commercial food industry should take the heat as well. Marketing to kids, branding so subconsciously entrenched and then making food they know has more fat than is healthy is simply wrong IMO. There is so much people are not generally aware of in the food and drink we consume.

Now that the cig industry has been successfully taken to court I expect more and more suits to be based on the same logic. The soft drink industry, for instance, I predict it will be sued in the next ten years. Think huge class action suit.

Yes, I can use my restraint and avoid my impulses be they coming from me or from adverts, but I'm one of those (IMO,relatively low percent of), "awakened" people who think outside the box for many reasons.

Fury

 

[WriterDom]

McDonald's is just a generic term for all the other fast food places. Not that real restaurants are any better. The serving sizes are a day's worth of food.

Subway isn't bad if you are doing the low fat thing.

 

[FurryFury]

As to eating, I'm not a fanatic about healthy foods. I do what I think is reasonable without going overboard on it.

I don't ever diet. If I think I need to lose some weight, and generally I don't weigh myself except at one friend's house, I make an effort to drink more water and eat more stomach fooling foods like watermelon, popcorn or rice.

I am a veggie, so that helps in some ways. It doesn't ensure a great diet of course but it does help in the calories, low fat areas.

I'm pretty lucky overall. I tend to be perceived as skinny no matter what. Each decade I put on a couple of pounds. Someday I hope to have a work out partner and watcher overer who will keep me on the straight and narrow. With his help maybe, just maybe I can get my body as tight as I'd like.

Right now, with degenerating disks in my spine and a seriously painful pinched nerve I'm not working out, don't plan to until I get the thumbs up from the chiro.

Fury

 

[the captians wench]

In highschool I weighted 155, and was a size 12, and I looked AWESOME. Most people, if asked, guessed my weight at like 100 and my size at 2.

Also, even now no one would guess my weight at what it is, unless they've seen me in my jammies. Most would guess me about a good 30 lbs less than I actually weigh. I think it's cause I stil have a waist. lol

That's my thing. I've been blessed with an hour glass figure, and with an interesting weight shift. As I gain weight I gain it in my breast first, but as I loose I loose in my waist/tummy first. My mom teases me that I'm one of the few people she knows that can gain 20lbs and look better *giggles*. If you consider bustier better.

Me I'm happy with where I am now. I think that's why I've slowed a bit on the watching what goes in my mouth thing. It's about time for me to start watching again. That will be a lot easier when I'm not working 4 ams anymore. I love that shift but it's so hard to get up early enough to cook myself breakfast insted of eating it at work.

 

[tzigane]

The medical weight standards are not perfect. Athletes, for example, are often in incredible shape but overweight according to their BMI (weight in kg/height in cm squared) because muscle weighs more than fat. However, most doctors are aware of that (they do teach us that in medical school) and anyone who looks at an extremely muscular athlete and tells them to lose weight is, in fact, an idiot. And people's bone structure/body type doesn't always fit exactly within those guidelines. Doctors should be smart enough to figure that out.

The body mass index, though, is used for a reason. And there is a phenomenal amount of research to show that obesity is related to many, many other health problems. They showed us a study a while ago that scared me badly, which presented the correlation between increasing BMI and the number of years of life expectancy lost. Even at a young age, it's pretty significant - and if one is severely overweight, the risk of dying from a variety of things such as heart attack and stroke is exponentially higher even for young people.

The reason this scares me is that my SO is clinically obese. I love him dearly and want him to be around when we're old. His weight worsens his joint problems and asthma. Living with him, I know that his eating habits aren't great and he doesn't exercise; when I first met him he was working out and eating well and weighed quite a bit less. Some of it, though, is genetic. His entire family has weight problems. His weight dramatically affects his self esteem as well.

I've been lucky with respect to my genes and my metabolism. My issues with weight are mostly in my head - I was a ballet dancer and puberty hit me rather harder than the other girls in my class (that or I just never became anorexic), and my mother was always warning me that if I did X, Y, or Z I'd get fat. So I have a tendency to be overly concerned, though my weight hasn't ever been out of the healthy range.

I think that as a society and as individuals we do need to be concerned about obesity as a health issue. As a society, we need to worry about the costs of medical care and the loss of productive life. As individuals, we need to maintain our health so that we can maximize the precious time we have with the people we care about and who care about us.

 

[intothewoods]

Maybe you're lucky, and got one of the few non idiotic doctors, but all my doctors are fucking morons. I've had several different doctors nearly kill me on at least two occasions cause they ahve their heads up their asses. I know you're relatively new and don't know this, but believe me when I tell you - you DO NOT want to get me started on the fuckers.



This will be disappearing in about a minute, so if you're curious to know pay attention. I'm 5' tall and I have not been below *** lbs since my last flare up (2005), and that was very brief cause the prednisone ballooned me to *** within a couple of months. (edited to take out weight, and put in that my bmi is 45)



FYI, I don't eat barely at all. Because of the crohns disease it hurts me to eat. And I mean HURTS. My weigh problems aren't from over eating, their from a combination of under eating, and being off and on prednisone (satan's drug) for long periods of time (6 months +). My doctor says that prednisone has seriously fucked up (my words, not hers) my metabolism.

Hi graceanne. I didn't know you have crohn's disease. I'm sorry. Prednisone is a bitch of a drug, as I understeand. Not sure if this was clear, but my comments about healthy food weren't aimed at you or anything, just generally addressing comments in the thread.

As far as doctors go...I've certainly had my fair share of idiots and assholes, but I've also had several great doctors. I don't want to get you started, as you said. I don't doubt for a second that if you say the ones you've seen are morons, then they are! And in my own family, I lost someone very close to me, in part possibly (we'll never know for sure) because a doctor said she was having a nervous breakdown, when actually she had cancer.

However, there are also members of my family who are doctors, and they aren't morons.

My point generally about doctors and weight loss is that I wouldn't necessarily go to one about weight loss and nutrition.

 

[intothewoods]

McDonald's is just a generic term for all the other fast food places. Not that real restaurants are any better. The serving sizes are a day's worth of food.

Subway isn't bad if you are doing the low fat thing.

Lol. McDonald's is a generic term? Tell that to their lawyers!

 

[graceanne]

Hi graceanne. I didn't know you have crohn's disease. I'm sorry. Prednisone is a bitch of a drug, as I understeand. Not sure if this was clear, but my comments about healthy food weren't aimed at you or anything, just generally addressing comments in the thread.

As far as doctors go...I've certainly had my fair share of idiots and assholes, but I've also had several great doctors. I don't want to get you started, as you said. I don't doubt for a second that if you say the ones you've seen are morons, then they are! And in my own family, I lost someone very close to me, in part possibly (we'll never know for sure) because a doctor said she was having a nervous breakdown, when actually she had cancer.

However, there are also members of my family who are doctors, and they aren't morons.

My point generally about doctors and weight loss is that I wouldn't necessarily go to one about weight loss and nutrition.

I know you weren't addressing me specifically, but so many people look at a fat person and think 'they should eat better and excercise', when a lot of times it has nothing to do with what they eat and how much activity they have, their's other factors. You hit a sore spot, and I was mostly venting. I just want people to remember when they see a fat person, that their might be something else going on. When my nephew was two he got really sick (he ended up dying a year later), and was put on prednisone. He got HUGE, which is normal for prednisone. My sil had to put him in his four year old brothers clothes, and just roll up the sleeves and pants legs. She said some people were down right rude to her, cause they decided he was fat, and she was a lousy mother for letting him get that fat.

Loosing weight (and gaining it) isn't always how you eat and stuff. For me to loose weight would probably require medication - one of the things I want to do if I can is see a nutritionist to help me, cause my idiot doctors tell me what I eat doesn't affect how I feel.

I know that their are good doctors, but I've never met any of them. My GI right now is ok, but I mostly see her cause she's doctoring for the right reason - she's the only person I could find who would see me without insurance, and she's been known to 'forget' to bill me. I still have to tell her what I need and when.

 

[graceanne]

All fast food and many slow dining places should have a play area. They'd get more business if they did IMO. When my kids were little that was a BIG factor in planning play dates when it rained.

Fury

Tell me about it. Their's this pizza place near me called papa's pizza. For three bucks I can get a small pizza, a cookie, and a small pop. Frankly the pizza's only so/so, but I go quite a bit, cause they have an AWESOME play area. The best part is it's seperated by glass - you can sit in your booth, see your kids, and NOT HEAR THEM!

 

[Cherrysweetdeal]

In highschool I weighted 155, and was a size 12, and I looked AWESOME. Most people, if asked, guessed my weight at like 100 and my size at 2.

Also, even now no one would guess my weight at what it is, unless they've seen me in my jammies. Most would guess me about a good 30 lbs less than I actually weigh. I think it's cause I stil have a waist. lol

I was kind of the same... Never really large in highschool but I don't think I figured out how to dress properly to show I did have curves and I didn't fully develop until last year or a few years ago...

People would guess me 15 lbs lighter then I was and the thing is when you are still at 155 or so for weight you tend to feel like you should be a size 12 when you can be a size 9 and be smaller then you expected.

For some reason the smaller size always makes you feel better when you can put on a jacket that is a size 9 and go down 2 just to find one that fits. Sometimes weight has no real definition as to whether or not you are overweight. A guy who is 250 could be 5'10 and full of muscle while a a guy at 6'5 is not overweight but doesn't have any muscle.

 

[intothewoods]

I know you weren't addressing me specifically, but so many people look at a fat person and think 'they should eat better and excercise', when a lot of times it has nothing to do with what they eat and how much activity they have, their's other factors.

I think anyone who simply looks someone over and thinks they know that person's whole story is an idiot.

Appearance shouldn't be the focus. We all need to eat healthfully. There are plenty of genetically lucky skinny people who eat like shit, and they should be eating healthy too.

 

[graceanne]

I think anyone who simply looks someone over and thinks they know that person's whole story is an idiot.

Appearance shouldn't be the focus. We all need to eat healthfully. There are plenty of genetically lucky skinny people who eat like shit, and they should be eating healthy too.

Like most of my husbands family. Assholes. LOL

 

[FurryFury]

Tell me about it. Their's this pizza place near me called papa's pizza. For three bucks I can get a small pizza, a cookie, and a small pop. Frankly the pizza's only so/so, but I go quite a bit, cause they have an AWESOME play area. The best part is it's seperated by glass - you can sit in your booth, see your kids, and NOT HEAR THEM!

Now that sounds wonderful! I remember the chuckie cheese days. Ah sweet bliss with my book or just breathing a bit. LOL.

Fury

 

[FurryFury]

<snip>Loosing weight (and gaining it) isn't always how you eat and stuff. For me to loose weight would probably require medication - one of the things I want to do if I can is see a nutritionist to help me, cause my idiot doctors tell me what I eat doesn't affect how I feel.
<snip>

Two things really opened my eyes about weight. First my Dad got off of steroids which he had been on most of his life. The bloated look and hump went away and he lost weight. Not only that but his rage became more rare and less severe. I would have never expected those HUGE changes.

Second my Mom, got on anti anxiety drugs and anti depression drugs after his death. She got down to a size 6 from a size 13 very quickly but she was more suicidal than ever. They put her on older, more traditional drugs and since she is much bigger than her traditional size 13.

That's only two things I know about. There must be tons more factors. I do know that drug use in the country for behavior and mental disorders is sky rocketing at the same time, so is weight.

Food manufactures are making a fortune. Drug companies are making a fortune. A lot of people are losing a great deal though, IMO. This is just the tip of the ice burg. These trends will continue to grow.

Fury