A warning for the Ts

[000zing]

The header for this forum is that it is for "discussion of non-straight sexuality".

This appears to mean that anyone who has "transitioned", for example a male who has "become" female, is debarred from talking about sex with a male as this would be "straight". The alternative explanation presumably is that the site owners do not consider that it is possible for a male to become female or vice versa.

Anyone see any fault with the logic?

 

[drobert44]

The header for this forum is that it is for "discussion of non-straight sexuality".

This appears to mean that anyone who has "transitioned", for example a male who has "become" female, is debarred from talking about sex with a male as this would be "straight". The alternative explanation presumably is that the site owners do not consider that it is possible for a male to become female or vice versa.

Anyone see any fault with the logic?

No logic, it smacks of censorship..........

 

[cubbyfire04]

The header for this forum is that it is for "discussion of non-straight sexuality".

This appears to mean that anyone who has "transitioned", for example a male who has "become" female, is debarred from talking about sex with a male as this would be "straight". The alternative explanation presumably is that the site owners do not consider that it is possible for a male to become female or vice versa.

Anyone see any fault with the logic?

What do you think the "T" in GLBT stands for?

 

[Escierto]

Anyone who is transgender regardless of whether they have transitioned or not, considers himself or herself or themselves as members of the LGBT community.

 

[000zing]

What do you think the "T" in GLBT stands for?

Er... dunno... Let me think, duh... maybe "train driver"..? "Tax collector"..? "Teapot"..?

Do me the favour of actually reading what I wrote and not just imagine that you have...

Anyone who thinks that they have changed sex, whether by surgery or just through imagination, is impacted by the site's statement of what this forum is about.

 

[cubbyfire04]

Er... dunno... Let me think, duh... maybe "train driver"..? "Tax collector"..? "Teapot"..?

Do me the favour of actually reading what I wrote and not just imagine that you have...

Anyone who thinks that they have changed sex, whether by surgery or just through imagination, is impacted by the site's statement of what this forum is about.

Did read it. And I understand your silly point... But seeing as this forum is nearly 20 years old, perhaps the mainstream acceptance about what transgenderism has changed. Considering the "T" stands for "trans & gender diverse", this should be a safe haven for those discussions as well. How about you stop playing semantics and welcome discussion.

If the description of the forum bothers you so much, why don't you petition chargergirl rather than warn the folks of the trans community that they aren't welcome in a place that was literally created for them and that you've posted in twice... Once to start some shit, and again to double down against me.

 

[000zing]

... or... or...

... could it just be that I've pointed out something which should have been changed... er... "nearly 20 years" ago... and which, in all that sweep of time, may just have put some of your cuddly pals off from contributing..? After all, you wouldn't want that to happen, eh..?

... and I still think the T stands for teapot...

 

[000zing]

Anyone who is transgender regardless of whether they have transitioned or not, considers himself or herself or themselves as members of the LGBT community.

That is interesting.

Why would someone who now considers themself as fully male or female, having started as... er... something else... wish to think of themself as part of yet a third "community", as if they weren't quite sure? Anyone care to explain this to me? Genuinely, this has always puzzled me and I'd like to know.

 

[Escierto]

That is interesting.

Why would someone who now considers themself as fully male or female, having started as... er... something else... wish to think of themself as part of yet a third "community", as if they weren't quite sure? Anyone care to explain this to me? Genuinely, this has always puzzled me and I'd like to know.

No, you don’t want to know anything. You are just an ignorant hater who pretends he doesn’t understand so he can spread his hate. Go fuck yourself asshole.

 

[000zing]

Where on earth do you get that from?? It's surely a reasonable question. I'm very open to having this explained to me. I really don't understand why people who consider themselves solidly male or solidly female seem to have this need to belong to a "middle" - or should I say "other" category which sets them apart from both. I don't know - you choose the term.

Simply spewing crass insults gets you absolutely nowhere with me. Like most people, I appreciate logic and calm explanation a lot more.

 

[stickygirl]

Where on earth do you get that from?? It's surely a reasonable question. I'm very open to having this explained to me. I really don't understand why people who consider themselves solidly male or solidly female seem to have this need to belong to a "middle" - or should I say "other" category which sets them apart from both. I don't know - you choose the term.

Simply spewing crass insults gets you absolutely nowhere with me. Like most people, I appreciate logic and calm explanation a lot more.

No one has time for your obsequious bullshit games - there are more interesting topics than your vanity. Go back to the Politic board

 

[000zing]

This is quite weird. Some here seem to have a default position of foul-mouthed hostility.

Fine, I can't and won't waste my time trying to change their personalities. I've made my point and believe it to be totally valid. It's probably that little fact which is the thing annoying them. Just a few matters before leaving them to stew in their own toxic juice:

1. I'm sure "Politics Board" was meant. Muddled language - muddled mind.
2. Not once have I even visited it, still less posted there and, for that matter, have no intention of ever doing so.
3. A check on the dictionary for the meaning of "obsequious" might be in order as, clearly, the take on it here is either eccentric in the extreme or outright erroneous.

Ignore button duly applied.

 

[stickygirl]

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Where on earth do you get that from?? It's surely a reasonable question. I'm very open to having this explained to me. I really don't understand why people who consider themselves solidly male or solidly female seem to have this need to belong to a "middle" - or should I say "other" category which sets them apart from both. I don't know - you choose the term.

Simply spewing crass insults gets you absolutely nowhere with me. Like most people, I appreciate logic and calm explanation a lot more.

I think that I, like you don't judge people for being different, but I don't understand everyway that people sexually identify. I'm an old fuck who grew up with knowledge that there are straight and gay people. I eventually learned of and accepted the reality of bi people. I don't remember the name of the first trans person I heard of (it was a big news story) but eventually became aware of people who were identified as one sex when born but now self-identify as the opposite sex. Recently, I've become aware of people who identify as gender fluid. I read an article recently which identified about 60 different ways to sexually identify. Once again, I make no judgement on those people. My point is that I share your confusion. I believe that your questions are honest and not judgmental, and you are being unfairly attacked for expressing your thoughts.

 

[000zing]

Thanks. It was an honest attempt to get informed but seriously, to judge by the reaction, I can't help but feel that the matter is considered totally closed off from any kind of discussion. The only thing I can think of is that it may raise uncomfortable or unanswerable questions for some.

Whatever, I view it as futile to deal with closed and illogical minds so it would actually be pointless to try to get said information from them. No further interest.

 

[stickygirl]

I think that I, like you don't judge people for being different, but I don't understand everyway that people sexually identify. I'm an old fuck who grew up with knowledge that there are straight and gay people. I eventually learned of and accepted the reality of bi people. I don't remember the name of the first trans person I heard of (it was a big news story) but eventually became aware of people who were identified as one sex when born but now self-identify as the opposite sex. Recently, I've become aware of people who identify as gender fluid. I read an article recently which identified about 60 different ways to sexually identify. Once again, I make no judgement on those people. My point is that I share your confusion. I believe that your questions are honest and not judgmental, and you are being unfairly attacked for expressing your thoughts.

I'm sorry LD but this alt appeared in Politics with exactly the same style, same topic a few weeks ago. He's all "this is an honest question" "Please, I don't understand" when it's all a honey trap to make people think that today, in 2022 he isn't aware of the issues, like he's been stuck in some vacuum for the last twenty years.

Check his first post with all the "transitioned" "become" around a spurious hair-splitting irrelevant point. When he's called out he clutches his pearls, pretending he doesn't understand the push-back, claiming people are rude and aggressive and now his latest one, couched in arcane quasi-legalise 'I view it' 'try to get said information'...

'Whatever, I view it as futile to deal with closed and illogical minds so it would actually be pointless to try to get said information from them. No further interest.'

... so that he can cite it as being deplatformed or a victim of cancel culture. In much the same way some trolls will say "was the holocaust as bad as it's reported? Can't we just discuss this reasonably?"

I wish I could remember his last alt name, but I normally put these people on iggy and let them run out of steam. Lets be clear as well - he is not being 'attacked' ad hominem, but rather on how he is posing fatuous questions under the guise of vacant innocence. People aren't unnecessarily aggressive to trolls like this - we're just tired of hearing their lame bullshit, plucking 'facts' from the air to construct a strawman argument and a Gotcha. His final line of reasoning, cutting to the chase, is going to be "Aha! So trans people don't exist." Lace just got banned again - maybe it's him?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I'm sorry LD but this alt appeared in Politics with exactly the same style, same topic a few weeks ago. He's all "this is an honest question" "Please, I don't understand" when it's all a honey trap to make people think that today, in 2022 he isn't aware of the issues, like he's been stuck in some vacuum for the last twenty years.

Check his first post with all the "transitioned" "become" around a spurious hair-splitting irrelevant point. When he's called out he clutches his pearls, pretending he doesn't understand the push-back, claiming people are rude and aggressive and now his latest one, couched in arcane quasi-legalise 'I view it' 'try to get said information'...

'Whatever, I view it as futile to deal with closed and illogical minds so it would actually be pointless to try to get said information from them. No further interest.'

... so that he can cite it as being deplatformed or a victim of cancel culture. In much the same way some trolls will say "was the holocaust as bad as it's reported? Can't we just discuss this reasonably?"

I wish I could remember his last alt name, but I normally put these people on iggy and let them run out of steam. Lets me clear as well - he is not being 'attacked' ad hominem, but rather on how he is posing fatuous questions under the guise of vacant innocence. People aren't unnecessarily aggressive to trolls like this - we're just tired of hearing their lame bullshit, plucking 'facts' from the air to construct a strawman argument and a Gotcha. His final line of reasoning, cutting to the chase, is going to be "Aha! So trans people don't exist." Lace just got banned again - maybe it's him?

Fair enough. I don't pay nearly as much attention to what people tend to post so I'm going to assume that you're correct. Btw, I love the psycho reference.