A serious (political) question about responsibility!

busybody..

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The USA has passed the USA PAtriot Act......among other things....it requires certain people.....from certain countries to register with the INS.....Those people fit the profile of the terrorists of 9/11 and other terrorrists....and are from countries that are on the State Dept Terrorist countries list.....

We would all be better off if this was NOT needed....However in light of the FACT that there are real threats against this country and our own safety.....

Is it RIGHT for some to PROTEST this law.....Or should they just say....Hey, we are in this FREE country, better off then from where we came from.....and all they ask of us is a simple innocuous registration.....and legal immigration status.....




Patriot Act Called Threat to Democracy
Muslim American Leaders Say Law Violates Civil Liberties


___ LONG BEACH, Calif., Dec. 21 -- The USA Patriot Act passed in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks is the biggest threat to democracy in the United States, Muslim leaders and activists said today.

The denunciation at a Muslim American convention came days after vocal protests were held over the detention of hundreds of Middle Eastern immigrants who voluntarily registered with the Immigration and Naturalization Service under new federal guidelines. The protesters urged an end to the registration program.

Speakers at the Muslim Public Affairs Council convention called on the public to challenge the Patriot Act, which they called an unconstitutional law that violates basic civil liberties.

They also urged the 1,500 people attending to demand that the news media provide diverse perspectives on the potential war with Iraq to complement the official government stand.

"The Patriot Act is the biggest attack on democracy in America right now," council board Chairman Omar Ricci said in his opening speech at the two-day annual conference.

The Patriot Act, approved in October 2001, gives the government new powers to obtain personal information about U.S. citizens and allows the government to detain foreign nationals deemed threats to national security and to hold them without public acknowledgment.

Bryan Sierra, a spokesman for the Justice Department, defended the Patriot Act as "an incredibly valuable tool in the war on terrorism."



© 2002 The Washington Post Company
 
Are you suggesting that it is the right of some to protest this law by ignoring it? And if so, then you are suggesting that those who are not citizens of the US have the "right" to protest this law?

I am sure that you are not.
 
I didnt phrase it well

should some make a stink of it......granted we would be better off without it......

or should they comply and say.....its the least we can do.....considering the world condition......
 
And let me add: I don't care what country someone is from, if they are legal aliens, they will abide by the laws of this country and the INS. And the vast majority will do so because they want to stay here.

Those who are illegal aliens, will not abide by the law. And they should be dealt with as is apropriate, irregardless of their country of origin.
 
What is the face of the 9/11 terrorist? What did he look like?

What is the profile of those men?

Profiling is a bad thing? Not to me.
 
DR

I agree

Lets get married

I will EAT you till you scream STOP

And FUCK you forever.

Or at least as long as my VIAGRA script is good for.
 
The problem with laws like this is that they rarely get rescinded after they outlive their usefulness. As a result they tend to get used for suppression.

Fact is that Ashcroft and his henchmen couldn't care LESS about individual liberties. Like all dictator wannabes, he wants to control the populace any way he can.:mad:
 
Guy

sexyguy2 said:
The problem with laws like this is that they rarely get rescinded after they outlive their usefulness. As a result they tend to get used for suppression.

Fact is that Ashcroft and his henchmen couldn't care LESS about individual liberties. Like all dictator wannabes, he wants to control the populace any way he can.:mad:

i agree with the first

Who are Ashcrofts henchman?

Who wants to be a dictator?

Why would he or anybody want to control the populace?

Would he have done this absent 9/11?
 
Re: DR

busybody said:
I agree

Lets get married

I will EAT you till you scream STOP

And FUCK you forever.

Or at least as long as my VIAGRA script is good for.

That has got to be the most romantic proposal I have ever gotten. Thank you, dollbaby. :kiss:






LMAO
 
A Desert Rose said:
Those who are illegal aliens, will not abide by the law. And they should be dealt with as is apropriate, irregardless of their country of origin.


Couldn't agree more.

At the same time, my biggest concern the Patriot Act is that it is evergreen. It contains no mechanism by which this Act will be rescinded once it has served its purpose. I understand with the need to have in today, but what of tomorrow, or is the government assuming that the war on terror will be with us for the next couple of decades?

Nor does it offer any safeguards for the people who will invariably be abused by this Act. There have many instances in American history when the civil liberties of minority groups have been trampled and abused in the name of the "greater good". McCarthyism and J. Edgar Hoover come to mind.

How long will it be before the government abuses its power this time?
 
Re: Guy

busybody said:
Who are Ashcrofts henchman?

Who wants to be a dictator?

Why would he or anybody want to control the populace?

Would he have done this absent 9/11?
His underlings in the Justice Dept.

They do(Ashcroft specifically)

That's what dictators do

Not this same legislation, but something similar
 
I'll end men

The McCarthy era lasted a couple of years.....and showed the STRENTGH of this country.....as the revulsion to his antics grew....it was smothered.....

Hoover? What did he do wrong? Spy on those he thought were subversive? We, the people dont have enough info to say those he spied on.....WERE NOT.....
 
Re: Re: Guy

sexyguy2 said:
His underlings in the Justice Dept.

They do(Ashcroft specifically)

That's what dictators do

Not this same legislation, but something similar

You are paranoid!

Seen any Martians? Lately?
 
Re: I'll end men

busybody said:
The McCarthy era lasted a couple of years.....and showed the STRENTGH of this country.....as the revulsion to his antics grew....it was smothered.....

Yes, and it appears that we're heading on the fast track to repeat this. Sure, at some point it will disgust enough people and it will end. This is small consolation for those who will feel the brunt of it. But since you won't be one of them, why should you care?

busybody said:
Hoover? What did he do wrong? Spy on those he thought were subversive? We, the people dont have enough info to say those he spied on.....WERE NOT.....

Correct. At least he had specific people he kept track of. The Patriot Act, however, allows the goverment to screen through thousands upon thousands of people to find a smoking gun. Personally, I don't have a problem with this. I'm happy to be thoroughly searched at airports, right along with all of my fellow passengers. It gives me piece of mind.

But as we circle the wagons to protect the idea of America, we are letting ourselves become less and less American. I should be held accountable to the government for the good of the country. But the government should be held accountable as well by every citizen. Otherwise, we should just rename the FBI the Stazi and get it over with.
 
I mend n's

I was just in Houston......took 4 planes....was checked 8 times.....Its OK....

But would they check a Muslim/Arab looking guy 8! times!!!!!!......instead of the requisite 4?

Would they fear screams of RACIAL PROFILING?
 
Re: Re: Re: Guy

busybody said:
You are paranoid!

Seen any Martians? Lately?


Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..........This country was founded by men who were willing to die rather than remain subjugated by an oppressive government.

The US government is not the end-all and be-all of America. It's citizenry is. To believe otherwise is to substitute one oppressor for another.
 
Island

True....

My paranoia comment was meant

What evidence was/is there that Ashcroft wants to be a dictator?

I know there is visceral HATRED of the man....and I believe its just PARANOIA!
 
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