A San Francisco liberal

Ishmael

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Thomas Sowell

November 14, 2002

A San Francisco liberal

Now that Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi is becoming the Democrats' House minority leader, she is being celebrated as the first woman to hold such a high post. But she is also being described as a "San Francisco liberal" -- which she definitely is.

What do San Francisco liberals do? They say a picture is worth a thousand words, so just look at the picture on page 58 of the October 28 issue of Fortune magazine. It shows a small, nondescript wooden house, wedged in between two other houses on a street in San Francisco. The caption reads: "Is this house worth
$1.2 million?"

San Francisco liberals, like liberals across the country, spend a lot of time talking and wringing their hands about the need for "affordable housing." Yet, wherever liberals have been politically dominant housing prices are most unaffordable.

Liberals proclaim their concern and compassion for minorities and people with low incomes. Yet these are precisely the people who are being forced out of places like San Francisco, which has the highest rents of any city in the country.

The black population of San Francisco went down 15 percent between the 1990 census and the 2000 census. The number of children in San Francisco has also gone down, since people young enough to have children can seldom afford San Francisco housing.

Despite liberals' professed concern for the poor, San Francisco is increasingly dominated by the affluent. It has the highest average income of any city in the country.

That is not necessarily because San Francisco employers are more generous. People who work in San Francisco, but are not paid high salaries, are likely to be living outside the city -- sometimes far outside -- and commuting to work.

All these things might be considered to be just unfortunate coincidences, if the same patterns did not appear time and time again, in other places where liberals have ruled the roost for years on end, whether in San Francisco or elsewhere. You can see the same thing in elite college towns like Cambridge, Massachusetts, as well as in Berkeley across the bay from San Francisco or in Palo Alto, adjacent to Stanford University.

How do liberals manage to leave so much economic and social havoc in their wake, all the while feeling good about themselves and proclaiming their compassion for the poor, minorities, children and others? Economic illiteracy helps, but liberals are also tied in with environmental zealots who promote sweeping bans on the building
of housing, using lovely phrases like "open space" and "protecting the environment."

Since housing is subject to supply and demand, like everything else, stifling the supply is enough to cause home prices and apartment rents to shoot up out of sight. History shows clearly that it was not demand which caused the explosive increase in California housing prices that began in the 1970s.

During the decade of the 1970s, when home prices quadrupled in Palo Alto, for example, the population of that city actually declined slightly. The number of children declined so much that several schools in Palo Alto had to be closed.

It wasn't demand that drove the prices up because the average increase in income in California was less than in the rest of the country during the decade when the state pulled way ahead of the rest of the country in the prices of its homes and apartments.

Why did housing prices go up then? Because this was the decade when severe land use restrictions spread through those places in California where liberals were politically dominant. Only in the remaining parts of California could you still find the "affordable housing" that liberals talked so much about.

In recent years, the closing down of military bases has left great expanses of prime land, with magnificent views, available in and around San Francisco. If all this land could be auctioned off on the open market for the building of housing, it could enrich the city, wipe out the housing shortage and bring down rents and home prices.
But congressional liberals and San Francisco liberals have made that impossible.

So long as Nancy Pelosi remains in the congressional minority, the rest of the country may escape the effects of San Francisco liberalism. But if such people are ever
in the majority, look out!

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Ishmael
 
She represents her constituents well. For some reason I thought that was what the House was about, sorry. Tom DeLay on the other hand represents ALL of America.
 
The most affluent towns because the majority of the liberal top people are rich ivory tower never seen the real world or had a real job idealist.
Nothing wrong with that really, except. you know, forcing their politics down everyone elses gullet with their high handed PC crap.
 
70/30 said:
She represents her constituents well. For some reason I thought that was what the House was about, sorry. Tom DeLay on the other hand represents ALL of America.

Didn't understand the article?

Ishmael
 
Why are Tom DeLay and Trent Lott in a leadership positions? Most Americans don't agree with them on a heck of a lot issues, DEMs got tired of having relative middle-roaders at the top of both assemblies. Get rid of REPub extremist assholes at the top and the DEMs won't feel compelled to counter, simple.
 
70/30 said:
Why are Tom DeLay and Trent Lott in a leadership positions? Most Americans don't agree with them on a heck of a lot issues, DEMs got tired of having relative middle-roaders at the top of both assemblies. Get rid of REPub extremist assholes at the top and the DEMs won't feel compelled to counter, simple.

You seem to be overlooking the fact that the republicans are gaining ground. Even so far as prevailing in an election that EVERYONE, including the mainstream press predicted they'd lose.

Those are hard facts.

Ishmael
 
You claim to be smart but you overlook

War-time election. The big draw, 34 senate seats open.

Alabama-GWB 2000
Alaska-GWB 2000
Arkansas-GWB 2000 DEM 2002
Colorado-GWB 2000
Delaware-DEM 2002
Georgia-GWB 2000
Idaho-GWB 2000
Illinois-DEM 2002
Iowa-DEM 2002
Kansas-GWB 2000
Kentucky-GWB 2000
Louisiana-GWB 2000 ***going to be DEM 2002
Maine
Massachusetts-DEM 2002
Michigan-DEM 2002
Minnesota
Mississippi-GWB 2000
Missouri-GWB 2000
Montana-GWB 2000 DEM 2002
Nebraska-GWB 2000
New Hampshire-GWB 2000
New Jersey-DEM 2002
New Mexico
North Carolina-GWB 2000
Oklahoma-GWB 2000
Oregon
Rhode Island-DEM 2002
South Carolina-GWB 2000
South Dakota-DEM 2002
Tennessee-GWB 2000
Texas-GWB 2000
Virginia-GWB 2000
West Virginia-GWB 2000 DEM 2002
Wyoming-GWB 2000


Basically of the 34 states voting for a senator in 2002, GWB won 22 of them in 2000. BTW-Democrats have 25 governors and the mayor of the District Columbia.

Significant nationwide ideological switch or circumstances? Three supreme court openings...
 
Makes me wonder if he misleads on purpose to fortify the base (Teddy and Cheyenne) or if he really buys everything Hannity says.
 
All politics is local.

The elections were agaist all the trends that others predicted. It was still a net loss.

<shrug>

Still has nothing to do with the article though.

Ishmael
 
Ish, quoting Thomas Sowell does your otherwise splendid credibility no good. The man has no credentials for being a political commentator other than being a black ultra-conservative in an otherwise pristine-white world. He deliberately misstates facts, invents others and offers popular conservative opinion as Truth. His oft-expressed claim to fame is that he's black and he "made it" so why can't others do it too?

The man turns my stomach. Usually I'll read just about anything from anybody if I think they might enlighten me, and I hope I'll always be young enough at heart to know I need to learn, but I no longer, and never will, read Sowell.
 
70/30 said:
She represents her constituents well. For some reason I thought that was what the House was about, sorry. Tom DeLay on the other hand represents ALL of America.
She does not represent her constituents well. She represents the special interests groups who are behind her. The fact is, all the issues raised by Sowell have validity.
 
sigh said:
Ish, quoting Thomas Sowell does your otherwise splendid credibility no good. The man has no credentials for being a political commentator other than being a black ultra-conservative in an otherwise pristine-white world. He deliberately misstates facts, invents others and offers popular conservative opinion as Truth. His oft-expressed claim to fame is that he's black and he "made it" so why can't others do it too?

The man turns my stomach. Usually I'll read just about anything from anybody if I think they might enlighten me, and I hope I'll always be young enough at heart to know I need to learn, but I no longer, and never will, read Sowell.

I know the source of your prejudice against Sowell and you are wrong. Always have been and always will be. He asked some questions that you found distressing considering your child. That's too bad sigh. Grow a thicker skin, or look to the logic, not your personal interpretation of something that you have accused him off that never occured.

Now. The facts stated in the article are dead on. You can either argue the facts or expend your energy attacking the writer of the facts. If you decide that personal attacks suit your purpose, fine. Have at it. But don't expect anyone of with a reasoning mind to pay much attention to you.

Ishmael
 
OK, I just tried to read it but I couldn't finish it. Too idiotic. Austin's a liberal city. Boulder's a liberal city. San Francisco's a liberal city. People want to live in those places, the reasons are available skilled jobs and a pleasant atmosphere. It's the most difficult of balances. The result is gentrification, which happens to be a facet of capitalism. Unless you're against capitalism, stop complaining and posting idiotic articles.
 
70/30 said:
Makes me wonder if he misleads on purpose to fortify the base (Teddy and Cheyenne) or if he really buys everything Hannity says.
Offyear election, in a sluggish economy, with war on the horizon and Osama bin Laden still at large.

This was the situation the Democrats prayed for, yet all their hard work earned them a two-seat loss in the Senate.

Yeah, it was kinda important.

I'm not sure what Pelosi would have to do with a local housing crunch, though. Wouldn't most of the decisions on whether or not to build be made at the state and local levels?

TB4p
 
Economist

Really-- if you're going to quote a conservative source, the Economist-- the house organ of the London bankers-- has much more credibility than Sowell.

Be that as it may, it seems to me the Sowell article misses all the most important and interesting points here in order to make a partisan attack on Nancy Pelosi. The main difference between Pelosi and Gephardt is-- Gephardt supported the Iraq war resolution; Pelosi voted against it. You knew the handwriting was on the wall when a majority of his own party went against him on the war vote. The Dems' pathetic performance in the election sealed Gephardt's fate. He didn't even try for minority leader this time, knowing he'd lose. Whether Pelosi will be able to revitalize the Democratic Party remains to be seen. One thing's for sure-- she could hardly do a worse job than Gephardt!

So far, no one has challenged Daschle in the Senate. He's in a stronger position than Gephardt, because a slender majority of Democratic Senators voted with him on the war, 29-21. But the subsequent loss of the Senate under his leadership must have weakened his position. My guess is he's hanging on by his fingernails. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at a Senate Democratic caucus, especially with Robert Byrd as the class cynic.
 
Re: Economist

REDWAVE said:
Really-- if you're going to quote a conservative source, the Economist-- the house organ of the London bankers-- has much more credibility than Sowell.

Be that as it may, it seems to me the Sowell article misses all the most important and interesting points here in order to make a partisan attack on Nancy Pelosi. The main difference between Pelosi and Gephardt is-- Gephardt supported the Iraq war resolution; Pelosi voted against it. You knew the handwriting was on the wall when a majority of his own party went against him on the war vote. The Dems' pathetic performance in the election sealed Gephardt's fate. He didn't even try for minority leader this time, knowing he'd lose. Whether Pelosi will be able to revitalize the Democratic Party remains to be seen. One thing's for sure-- she could hardly do a worse job than Gephardt!

So far, no one has challenged Daschle in the Senate. He's in a stronger position than Gephardt, because a slender majority of Democratic Senators voted with him on the war, 29-21. But the subsequent loss of the Senate under his leadership must have weakened his position. My guess is he's hanging on by his fingernails. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at a Senate Democratic caucus, especially with Robert Byrd as the class cynic.

Still don't have a clue about economics? Do you?

Ishmael
 
It's lumping all liberals in Boston, Seattle, Boulder, San Fran, Austin, Chapel Hill, etc together. Too many people want to live in those places, something has to be done. They decide to lessen the invasion and thrashing by: zoning restrictions, greenbelts, parks, pollution preventions, etc. It forces people to Oakland, eastAustin, Southy, and/or under a bridge. I say, at least they don't have to live in Newark.

A pure liberal political powerman would have wanted GWB to maintain his hardline and his complete opposition to the UN. Bush looked at the polls and stopped playing Wyatt Earp. He puts pressure on others and others put it on him, that's the way business is done with this administation. Because some things seem to get resolved doesn't mean anyone's approaches will change, groups need to be called-out/checked. The fight over the Supreme Court will unify sides, he partly came out today against the RELIGIOUS RIGHT. It was a token admonishment in my opinion, we'll see how soon he returns to courting them.
 
70/30 said:
It's lumping all liberals in Boston, Seattle, Boulder, San Fran, Austin, Chapel Hill, etc together. Too many people want to live in those places, something has to be done. They decide to lessen the invasion and thrashing by: zoning restrictions, greenbelts, parks, pollution preventions, etc. It forces people to Oakland, eastAustin, Southy, and/or under a bridge. I say, at least they don't have to live in Newark.

A pure liberal political powerman would have wanted GWB to maintain his hardline and his complete opposition to the UN. Bush looked at the polls and stopped playing Wyatt Earp. He puts pressure on others and others put it on him, that's the way business is done with this administation. Because some things seem to get resolved doesn't mean anyone's approaches will change, groups need to be called-out/checked. The fight over the Supreme Court will unify sides, he partly came out today against the RELIGIOUS RIGHT. It was a token admonishment in my opinion, we'll see how soon he returns to courting them.

And you obviously don't have a clue either.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
And you obviously don't have a clue either.

Ishmael

I'd appreciate your answer on how to lessen the high cost of living in Boulder, Colorado while maintaining it's overall appeal. Find one, then you can answer me with Miles' greatest one-liners and receive no retaliation.
 
70/30 said:
I'd appreciate your answer on how to lessen the high cost of living in Boulder, Colorado while maintaining it's overall appeal. Find one, then you can answer me with Miles' greatest one-liners and receive no retaliation.

Of course, can't have the unwashed mingling with the liberal elites now, can we?

Ishmael
 
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