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Two infantrymen.....*thinking of all the things you can do with two infantrymen, besides fight*
hmmmm....ummmm....*evil grin*
hmmmm....ummmm....*evil grin*
Blaze
This Infantryman is still here just doing like he was trained and finding higher ground to fire from.. lol...
I am one that feels that women shouldnt be in the combat arms for the same reasons that you, Blaze had stated... It would only go damage the moral and espirit de corps of the combat arms. To much of the guys trying to show off for the girls type crap that would go on. Or worse, one of the female think that it might be "fun" to become the unit "plaything"
[Edited by Matthew D on 01-13-2001 at 11:03 PM]
This Infantryman is still here just doing like he was trained and finding higher ground to fire from.. lol...
I am one that feels that women shouldnt be in the combat arms for the same reasons that you, Blaze had stated... It would only go damage the moral and espirit de corps of the combat arms. To much of the guys trying to show off for the girls type crap that would go on. Or worse, one of the female think that it might be "fun" to become the unit "plaything"
[Edited by Matthew D on 01-13-2001 at 11:03 PM]
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Whoa...
...this could be a dangerous thread!
I served ten years in the Navy. Women were just being moved into front line service aboard combat ships. I was skeptical, but also young and limited in thinking. I remember thinking that women can't do the same jobs. I remember thinking they are different and might not do the job. I think I was wrong.
Having lived in Europe and learned a bit more about the military here and how it works, I find myself very impressed at the effectiveness of the US military. The general state of readiness, the qualifications, the efficiency are all typically superior. I'm not saying this out of patriotism either. I think part of this is adaptability and the willinginess of the services to consider all the possibilities.
Take women marching with packs etc. Is it wise to throw out parts that don't seem to fit? Or is it better to move them around the puzzle and find where they do fit? Very true...fact of life...among healthy and fit individuals most women will not measure up in physical strength to men in the task of marching with a heavy pack, weapons, etc. But, instead of thinking in general terms let's look at specifics. Women are more nimble, better coordinated, smaller, often work together more closely in small units. Would such women make an effective close combat team that works by stealth? More and more this is becoming a style of combat rather than the century old rolling down the plain enmasse. Would this be an effective and unexpected weapons in the US arsenal?
The Air Force has already made some interesting observations in testing women's fitness for combat fighter roles. They found women endured higher g levels for longer, used a different but highly effective logic for engagement, had faster and more precise reflexes, and often engaged effectively in less time. They also take up less room in the cockpit which increased the space available for avionics and control systems.
There is something else happening that might alter the military landscape as far as women's roles. I read an article a couple of days ago stating the the US is moving ahead with plans to equip soldiers eith "powered exo-skeletons". These suits would allow soliders to run farther, jump higher, carry more equipment, and interconnect with one another through sensors. Again, women have some distinct advantages in this. They are smaller which mean power requirements are lower. They are more agile which suggests they would adapt quicker to the suits. And, frankly, women generally process the broad range of information that these suits would provide better than men do (it's this communication/tactile/touchy-feeling thing that women are usually criticised for). Again, women generally work together better than men so they might be better suited for these units than GI Joes.
I don't have a problem with women dying in combat and I don't question their loyalty under fire. Women have already proven themselves in combat. It's unfortunate that the women who have been failures have drawen attention away from those who are exceptional. There are plenty of men who are losers in the military...knew lots of them myself. There will be women who are losers. I think we have to examine the possiblities and how they might serve to further enhance US effectivness.
...this could be a dangerous thread!
I served ten years in the Navy. Women were just being moved into front line service aboard combat ships. I was skeptical, but also young and limited in thinking. I remember thinking that women can't do the same jobs. I remember thinking they are different and might not do the job. I think I was wrong.
Having lived in Europe and learned a bit more about the military here and how it works, I find myself very impressed at the effectiveness of the US military. The general state of readiness, the qualifications, the efficiency are all typically superior. I'm not saying this out of patriotism either. I think part of this is adaptability and the willinginess of the services to consider all the possibilities.
Take women marching with packs etc. Is it wise to throw out parts that don't seem to fit? Or is it better to move them around the puzzle and find where they do fit? Very true...fact of life...among healthy and fit individuals most women will not measure up in physical strength to men in the task of marching with a heavy pack, weapons, etc. But, instead of thinking in general terms let's look at specifics. Women are more nimble, better coordinated, smaller, often work together more closely in small units. Would such women make an effective close combat team that works by stealth? More and more this is becoming a style of combat rather than the century old rolling down the plain enmasse. Would this be an effective and unexpected weapons in the US arsenal?
The Air Force has already made some interesting observations in testing women's fitness for combat fighter roles. They found women endured higher g levels for longer, used a different but highly effective logic for engagement, had faster and more precise reflexes, and often engaged effectively in less time. They also take up less room in the cockpit which increased the space available for avionics and control systems.
There is something else happening that might alter the military landscape as far as women's roles. I read an article a couple of days ago stating the the US is moving ahead with plans to equip soldiers eith "powered exo-skeletons". These suits would allow soliders to run farther, jump higher, carry more equipment, and interconnect with one another through sensors. Again, women have some distinct advantages in this. They are smaller which mean power requirements are lower. They are more agile which suggests they would adapt quicker to the suits. And, frankly, women generally process the broad range of information that these suits would provide better than men do (it's this communication/tactile/touchy-feeling thing that women are usually criticised for). Again, women generally work together better than men so they might be better suited for these units than GI Joes.
I don't have a problem with women dying in combat and I don't question their loyalty under fire. Women have already proven themselves in combat. It's unfortunate that the women who have been failures have drawen attention away from those who are exceptional. There are plenty of men who are losers in the military...knew lots of them myself. There will be women who are losers. I think we have to examine the possiblities and how they might serve to further enhance US effectivness.
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I was in the Navy and did my job more effectively than most men around me. It's just one of those jobs where smart, sarcastic, bitchy people (men and women) survive and the average joe doesn't. Why? Cause you have to be serious fucked up in the head to do it in the first place.
Hubby dearest was special ops. 11B yada yada yada. I'm a pretty strong chick, I can go miles and miles pack or not. I can't do what he did. I can't carry 120 to 150 pounds on my back and lbe and the carry a weapon as well. Particularly if it's a 60. Unless the standards were lowered, most women (Chynna could if she could pass the drug test) couldn't do SFAS.
If they can meet the same standards that men are required to meet, then they should be allowed to do the job. Gender norming is bunch of bullshit baby. Women integrate with men easily enough. You have male whiners and guys who complain about having weak knees or whatever to get out of carrying the 60. Men and women compensate for each other, both sides do it. Men do the chivalry can get ya killed under fire garbage and women do the oh no you have a booboo let's break out the first aid kit and get ya killed under fire garbage. It's gender stereotyping and it only fits with about 80% of the population.
Once a team works together, they don't have troubles with it.
Case in point. The Mossad.
Hubby dearest was special ops. 11B yada yada yada. I'm a pretty strong chick, I can go miles and miles pack or not. I can't do what he did. I can't carry 120 to 150 pounds on my back and lbe and the carry a weapon as well. Particularly if it's a 60. Unless the standards were lowered, most women (Chynna could if she could pass the drug test) couldn't do SFAS.
If they can meet the same standards that men are required to meet, then they should be allowed to do the job. Gender norming is bunch of bullshit baby. Women integrate with men easily enough. You have male whiners and guys who complain about having weak knees or whatever to get out of carrying the 60. Men and women compensate for each other, both sides do it. Men do the chivalry can get ya killed under fire garbage and women do the oh no you have a booboo let's break out the first aid kit and get ya killed under fire garbage. It's gender stereotyping and it only fits with about 80% of the population.
Once a team works together, they don't have troubles with it.
Case in point. The Mossad.
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I support and respect the military institution.
But.... I do believe (and hope) that someday the necessity for armed conflict and the maintaining of armed forces is considered barbaric and passe. To believe otherwise is to have no hope for the human race as a whole. I don't foresee this happening anytime in the next 100 years or so and as the rest of the world has to get with the program of civility then I support the armed forces and the idea of women in combat roles. Provided they can do it.
The face of combat is changing...with smart weapons and the tactics used today, mass hand to hand fighting will soon be a thing of the past if not so already. I see small well equipped units inserted into key points to disable the enemies ability to wage combat. Stealth and quickness over massive assaults. Decapitate the enemy with a single swift blow and avoid the long drawn out body punching fight...
or just nuke'em.
But.... I do believe (and hope) that someday the necessity for armed conflict and the maintaining of armed forces is considered barbaric and passe. To believe otherwise is to have no hope for the human race as a whole. I don't foresee this happening anytime in the next 100 years or so and as the rest of the world has to get with the program of civility then I support the armed forces and the idea of women in combat roles. Provided they can do it.
The face of combat is changing...with smart weapons and the tactics used today, mass hand to hand fighting will soon be a thing of the past if not so already. I see small well equipped units inserted into key points to disable the enemies ability to wage combat. Stealth and quickness over massive assaults. Decapitate the enemy with a single swift blow and avoid the long drawn out body punching fight...
or just nuke'em.
Whoa cowboy!
Ain't no way! This is a man's world we live in. A woman's place is having babies, cleaning the house, and taking care of her husband. Leave the hard things up to the males; things like making babies, business (I've been known to be out 'till 2AM entertaining customers), and even remembered my wife's birthday a couple of times during our twenty some years of marriage. Don't get me started. Women are the weaker sex both physically and mentally.
And one more thing; KillerMuffin, stop sitting on the fence. Get an opinion about something, just once.
Ain't no way! This is a man's world we live in. A woman's place is having babies, cleaning the house, and taking care of her husband. Leave the hard things up to the males; things like making babies, business (I've been known to be out 'till 2AM entertaining customers), and even remembered my wife's birthday a couple of times during our twenty some years of marriage. Don't get me started. Women are the weaker sex both physically and mentally.
And one more thing; KillerMuffin, stop sitting on the fence. Get an opinion about something, just once.
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I did give an opinion Jakeypiddles. If she can do the job without the standards being lowered to accomodate her, then she should be allowed to do it. The dig is that with few exceptions, women can't do the job. Or would you prefer that in a different languge?
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Damn...just Damn
Here I thought I'd said everything I wanted to say, and then you come and say something like that. Please tell me you were just trying to stir up some shit.
If that is the way you really feel, then I have to point out that I've made a few male Basic Trainees cry when I was on Drill duty. ALL men are NOT stronger physically or mentally. As far as "business" I have been told that I am more "cut throat" than a lot of men in my profession. It isn't about the gender,it is about the attitude and the drive. I know a lot of men who can't keep up with the life I lead or any of those who lead this life.
Crawl back into your cave baby.
KM...I agree with what you said. However, I've been around long enough to see that "society" will never allow women in the military to meet men on equal ground, and there are always going to be those females who get involved in these type jobs for all the wrong reasons...hence my opinion that they shouldn't be there.
Jake2001 said:
Here I thought I'd said everything I wanted to say, and then you come and say something like that. Please tell me you were just trying to stir up some shit.
If that is the way you really feel, then I have to point out that I've made a few male Basic Trainees cry when I was on Drill duty. ALL men are NOT stronger physically or mentally. As far as "business" I have been told that I am more "cut throat" than a lot of men in my profession. It isn't about the gender,it is about the attitude and the drive. I know a lot of men who can't keep up with the life I lead or any of those who lead this life.
Crawl back into your cave baby.
KM...I agree with what you said. However, I've been around long enough to see that "society" will never allow women in the military to meet men on equal ground, and there are always going to be those females who get involved in these type jobs for all the wrong reasons...hence my opinion that they shouldn't be there.
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KillerMuffin said:
This is the key to the whole argument. If a woman is capable then why not! Personally, during my 20+ year career in the USAF nothing pissed me off more than the double standard applied to men and women. When it came to standards required to be eligable for a particular career field, the standards aplied to women were always less than the standards applied to a man. If a man had to be able to lift 100 pounds over his head to qualify, a woman would have to lift 50 pounds. If a man had to run a distance in 20 minutes, a woman would have to run it in 25 minutes. If a man had to lose 5 pounds a month on the weight management program, a woman had to lose 3 pounds.
These double standards really pissed me off. If your going to do the same job apply the same standards. The weight of that power supply doesn't change if your a woman. The distance run by a woman isn't more than a man. If you were seriously over weight the amount of weight you can lose per month is the same man or woman, just check out Jenny Craig or any of the weight loss programs.
Personally if I were a woman I would have been pissed off that the military didn't feel that I was as capable as a man. All of these double standards make women seem less than men. I know from experience that women are completely capable of doing the same job, at the same level as most men.
I believe that if a woman is capable of doing the job, both has the training and the physical ability then she should be allowed to perform any job in the military. Including combat. If you train together long enough the differences between you disapear and you work as a unit. This is the cardinal ruls of basic training, put people together make them the same(cut their hair the same, dress them in the same clothes, make them live together night and day) and you will create a unit.
So my answer is yes women should be allowed to serve in a combat environment.
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BB, sweets, they already do it. Just not in America.
HMCS/USN (RET) here. I was around when thet first started putting the ladies on non-combatant ships (as if there were ever such things) Saw the initial problems encountered. Twas a nightmare initially. Pregnancy rate (i.e. conceived "at sea") were astounding. Also saw the Navy adapt, change, and finally begin to accept the idea of women at sea.
I must agree with KM, if they can do the job without lowereing the standards/requirement of the job, then welcome to my ship ladies. Just don't ask me, in a time of crisis, to coddle you. I'll be too busy trying to save lives and keep the ship fighting.
I must agree with KM, if they can do the job without lowereing the standards/requirement of the job, then welcome to my ship ladies. Just don't ask me, in a time of crisis, to coddle you. I'll be too busy trying to save lives and keep the ship fighting.
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KillerMuffin said:
True...very true....but look what those countries have had to face. They have a lot bigger things to worry about.
If and when this country faces constant war, then my opinion will probably change and the opinion of this country. However, I'd much prefer women not being in Combat Arms to mass religious war/ genicide (sp).
But that is just me.
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Just amused...
I'm going to astound you...I'm not going to say anything!
It's amazing how deeply ingrained role perceptions and stereotypes are in people (of both sexes) and I, for one, know when to keep out of it.
Great threat ya'll!
I'm going to astound you...I'm not going to say anything!
It's amazing how deeply ingrained role perceptions and stereotypes are in people (of both sexes) and I, for one, know when to keep out of it.
Great threat ya'll!
KillerMuffin said:
I certainly assumed that my post was so blatantly tongue-in-cheek that everyone would see it that way. I have staunchly posted in favor of the female species many times here. I am truly in awe of women's capability. Personally, the only thing I am against is reverse discrimination, especially in the job place. Women should be given equal opportunity, with equal pay, for equal performance and ability on all accounts and in any vocation.
Muffin, the truth is, I think you are a prime example of a female being able to stand a head above the male populace in general and quite able to go nose-to-nose with even the best male brawn found here at Literotica. You not only have an opinion on every issue you choose to comment on, you do it in such a way that leaves no doubt in anyone's mind what you are trying to say. If I were going into literary battle, you would be my first choice for commanding officer.
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sports mirrors war. the best women's basketball player couldn't warm the bench on any NBA team. and forget about football unless the lady is a kicker on a team of weak kneed guys. and tennis well, the best women's tennis player can beat a gray haired senior pro if he doesn't send her flowers. golf? that's about a funny as football. baseball, well, a female pitcher might get as far as the rookie league, but would be mediocre at best. The only reason women are in combat positions in the military is through the interference of the federal government as part of the great social experiment. that is the facts. you can spin it as you wish.
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CD, it is interesting that you mention the "powered exoskeletons" from what I understand about them that they will agument(spelling) the natural strength of the soldier, so this would help the women to be more effective but I would help the men to a great extent would it not? As for the power requirements, I believe the difference in weights would not make to much of a difference at all in the overall power requirements..
I still say that overall, that most women (and a bunch of the guys) are not able to carry out the physical and mental aspects of being part of a combat arms company. I have nothing against women in the military and for that matter women as fighter pilots or serving onboard certain types of shiips in the navy. I do think that they might be able to do better job in certain roles. But I can not ever see a woman being part of a combat arms company. Okay jumping down off the soap box!!
Holy Heinlein, Batman
How the hell is powered armour even going to be an issue here. Sure it is cool, and neat, and great idea. But it will be expensive and only issued to the most highly trained units like the Navy Seals and Army Delta. The most important fact, though, is that it does not exist right now. Also the particality of maintaining it in a field type enviroment is unreasonable. Anyway, powered armour is a thing of science fiction, and until they have a working prototype and a plan for partical use, it is best left out of the discusion. So, how about bioengenering perfect soldiers?
How the hell is powered armour even going to be an issue here. Sure it is cool, and neat, and great idea. But it will be expensive and only issued to the most highly trained units like the Navy Seals and Army Delta. The most important fact, though, is that it does not exist right now. Also the particality of maintaining it in a field type enviroment is unreasonable. Anyway, powered armour is a thing of science fiction, and until they have a working prototype and a plan for partical use, it is best left out of the discusion. So, how about bioengenering perfect soldiers?
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Actually...
...the gist of the article is that several prototypes do exist and have been tested. The results of the tests were promising enough that funding (a very, very subtantial amount) has been approved.
One of the prototypes, intended to enhance durability on marches resulted in the soldier maintaining speeds of up to 15 mph with gear. Other tests involved the networking of sensors between solidiers. The data included battlefied conditions, video, gps, and even health information being passed to a central command. The tests also involved integral visors which included data display screens, night visions, etc. It reminded me of the NTDS system aboard Navy ships which allowed each vessel to see what the others saw as well as pass on targeting information for weapons guidance. Never dismiss new technology as science fiction. In my ten years in the navy I watched sf become rl. From the Vulcan Phalanx close-in weapons system (which had a penchant for sea gulls and its own projectiles early on) to the very nuclear reactors I was trained to operate (Richover was labled a looney...reactors could never be used on subs and ships). I mean, who would have dreamed that you could have sex with strangers on a computer? Asimov first wrote about that in his sf novels.
My opinion of women in combat was dramatically altered in the late 70's at the only combat handgun competition ever entered whan 17 year old woman blew the socks off everyone. She went on to take the state championships. Many years later, mid-90s, we trained women in executive protection at a school where I was an instructor. The women were excellent, typically more agile and nimble than the men, more inclined to adhere to their training and thus making them more effective as part of a protection team.
My comment about women in the suits is that women might be able to overcome some of the inherent limitations of the suits with more ease than men due to agility. True, they likely would not exceed the power of a man in such a suit, but the increase in terms of percent improvement might be subtantially greater.
As for power requirements...physics and engineering haven't changed. Moving a given amount of weight from point a to point b is considered "work" and work is a factor of mass and distance. A 60 kg woman will have a 40 kg advantage over a 100 kg man. What does that translate into? Higher speed and longer range for the same amount of energy. Certainly an advantage in combat.
I'm not actually getting involved in the pros and cons or the politics of the thing. Only pointing out that the winners in wars and battles are most often the ones who understand how it's always been done before (thus knowing their adversary) and change the rules and do the unexpected. I'm only saying...don't rule out possibilities.
...the gist of the article is that several prototypes do exist and have been tested. The results of the tests were promising enough that funding (a very, very subtantial amount) has been approved.
One of the prototypes, intended to enhance durability on marches resulted in the soldier maintaining speeds of up to 15 mph with gear. Other tests involved the networking of sensors between solidiers. The data included battlefied conditions, video, gps, and even health information being passed to a central command. The tests also involved integral visors which included data display screens, night visions, etc. It reminded me of the NTDS system aboard Navy ships which allowed each vessel to see what the others saw as well as pass on targeting information for weapons guidance. Never dismiss new technology as science fiction. In my ten years in the navy I watched sf become rl. From the Vulcan Phalanx close-in weapons system (which had a penchant for sea gulls and its own projectiles early on) to the very nuclear reactors I was trained to operate (Richover was labled a looney...reactors could never be used on subs and ships). I mean, who would have dreamed that you could have sex with strangers on a computer? Asimov first wrote about that in his sf novels.
My opinion of women in combat was dramatically altered in the late 70's at the only combat handgun competition ever entered whan 17 year old woman blew the socks off everyone. She went on to take the state championships. Many years later, mid-90s, we trained women in executive protection at a school where I was an instructor. The women were excellent, typically more agile and nimble than the men, more inclined to adhere to their training and thus making them more effective as part of a protection team.
My comment about women in the suits is that women might be able to overcome some of the inherent limitations of the suits with more ease than men due to agility. True, they likely would not exceed the power of a man in such a suit, but the increase in terms of percent improvement might be subtantially greater.
As for power requirements...physics and engineering haven't changed. Moving a given amount of weight from point a to point b is considered "work" and work is a factor of mass and distance. A 60 kg woman will have a 40 kg advantage over a 100 kg man. What does that translate into? Higher speed and longer range for the same amount of energy. Certainly an advantage in combat.
I'm not actually getting involved in the pros and cons or the politics of the thing. Only pointing out that the winners in wars and battles are most often the ones who understand how it's always been done before (thus knowing their adversary) and change the rules and do the unexpected. I'm only saying...don't rule out possibilities.
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I'm only a reserve here in NZ so I may not be qualified to comment. Ignore me if you like.
1. IMHO remove gender norming and work hard at making it natural for women to exist alongside men in any given corps and you can put them anywhere. I have reservations about the sexual issues (not gender) when the two are thrown together and teh psychological effects of one or other gender putting out/not putting out when the other wants/doesn't want it. But I believe these can be overcome if the unit is created properly.
2. Any exoskeleton that is created will augment existing motor power. This means that if a 100kg guy can run faster than a 70kg woman (oh you do the math 2.2lb/kg, it's just numbers.) Then he will still be able to run faster using the same power in a suit. The suit can only magnify the existing power output of the body, it's not a vehicle itself. Not that it's relevant, 'cause I agree.
Seems that most responses are in general agreement, but hung up on some specifics. Perhaps if the common ground could be agreed, some forward movement could be made on the real issues.
I'm only a reserve here in NZ so I may not be qualified to comment. Ignore me if you like.
1. IMHO remove gender norming and work hard at making it natural for women to exist alongside men in any given corps and you can put them anywhere. I have reservations about the sexual issues (not gender) when the two are thrown together and teh psychological effects of one or other gender putting out/not putting out when the other wants/doesn't want it. But I believe these can be overcome if the unit is created properly.
2. Any exoskeleton that is created will augment existing motor power. This means that if a 100kg guy can run faster than a 70kg woman (oh you do the math 2.2lb/kg, it's just numbers.) Then he will still be able to run faster using the same power in a suit. The suit can only magnify the existing power output of the body, it's not a vehicle itself. Not that it's relevant, 'cause I agree.
Seems that most responses are in general agreement, but hung up on some specifics. Perhaps if the common ground could be agreed, some forward movement could be made on the real issues.
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I wasn't specific enough...
Sorry...when I was talking about speed and distance thing I was actually referring more to the mechanics than the how the augmentation might work in practice.
One of the conditions laid out was that the power supplies needed to last for 24 hours and be quick to recharge or whatever they have in mind (I haven't got a clue). If a woman's energy requirements are less then I was suggesting that for the same powerpack she would either be able to go longer (isn't that always the case with a woman?) or in a given period of time be able to draw high current (get more boost) and achive more power or speed or whatever. Maybe get more shots out of her ray gun...I dunno! Anyway I reasoned that packs for men would require longer to charge, be heavier, bulkier, etc. It all sort of becomes academic doesn't it?
I have to admit I haven't got a clue what these things would look like or even how they might work. Storm Troopers from Star Wars? Wesley Snipes in Blade? (bitchin man) I only know what I read in the article and was fascinated by the concept. You have to appreciate that here in England they still train and equip like they are going to fight WWII (no insult intended to the British), very traditional.
Who knows...a whole platoon of these cyber-warriors might come storming over the hill, ready to attack when suddenly their visor screens go blue and a white message appears...Fatal Exception Error at 0000:3492:9485...please save any work in progress and reboot Windows 2005...Thank you and have a nice day!
Sorry...when I was talking about speed and distance thing I was actually referring more to the mechanics than the how the augmentation might work in practice.
One of the conditions laid out was that the power supplies needed to last for 24 hours and be quick to recharge or whatever they have in mind (I haven't got a clue). If a woman's energy requirements are less then I was suggesting that for the same powerpack she would either be able to go longer (isn't that always the case with a woman?) or in a given period of time be able to draw high current (get more boost) and achive more power or speed or whatever. Maybe get more shots out of her ray gun...I dunno! Anyway I reasoned that packs for men would require longer to charge, be heavier, bulkier, etc. It all sort of becomes academic doesn't it?
I have to admit I haven't got a clue what these things would look like or even how they might work. Storm Troopers from Star Wars? Wesley Snipes in Blade? (bitchin man) I only know what I read in the article and was fascinated by the concept. You have to appreciate that here in England they still train and equip like they are going to fight WWII (no insult intended to the British), very traditional.
Who knows...a whole platoon of these cyber-warriors might come storming over the hill, ready to attack when suddenly their visor screens go blue and a white message appears...Fatal Exception Error at 0000:3492:9485...please save any work in progress and reboot Windows 2005...Thank you and have a nice day!
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A female, hell most males, doesn't have the physical abilities to be a green beret, navy seal, force recon, LRRP, LRS, ranger, all those dojobbers. Females make better snipers because women are instinctively better shots. I get this from the StudMuffin, who knows more about it than you so don't argue.
Anyway. Israel's Mossad takes the women who can do the job, they've had no problem with gender integration. They are pretty much constantly at war, have been seen their inception. According to reports I've read, their women made better Nazi hunters. China does it, to an extent Korea does it, Russia does it. Heck, Russians had women in LRRP equivelent positions.
However, combat ships and combat (snicker) air force just needs bodies. You don't have to be rambo to quartermaster a ship or jock a jet. You just have to be able to reach the peddles. The only consideration is that women will be raped when captured by the enemy. I knew that when I signed up for my job. I also knew that I'd be stationed pretty damned close to the DMZ too. If being raped is the worst they'd do to me, well then I'd get down on my knees and thank my lucky stars.
Anyway. Israel's Mossad takes the women who can do the job, they've had no problem with gender integration. They are pretty much constantly at war, have been seen their inception. According to reports I've read, their women made better Nazi hunters. China does it, to an extent Korea does it, Russia does it. Heck, Russians had women in LRRP equivelent positions.
However, combat ships and combat (snicker) air force just needs bodies. You don't have to be rambo to quartermaster a ship or jock a jet. You just have to be able to reach the peddles. The only consideration is that women will be raped when captured by the enemy. I knew that when I signed up for my job. I also knew that I'd be stationed pretty damned close to the DMZ too. If being raped is the worst they'd do to me, well then I'd get down on my knees and thank my lucky stars.
Closet Desire
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Aw come on Killer Muffin...
...we had to be in great shape. I mean, did you know that to get to the forward mess decks for a slider and fries you have to walk nearly 900 feet? We should get some kind of beret for that!
Watched a documentary on the training for seals and was absolutely amazed! They would have taken one look at me and rolled over laughing! Some serious stuff. Decided to become a snipe instead. It's a whole different world. I knew some seals when I was stationed near Oceana. Thank goodness for people who have that talent.
My son is about to turn 18 and now wants to do something with "special forces" in the name. He's nothing like me. A fit athlete with international medals in judo. He's got a scholarship to train for a year in judo at the Welsh Institue of Sports (NO...that isn't an oxymoron!). He's hoping for a crack at the US Olympic team. If he doesn't make it he says he off to play in the military. He's got my approval. He swears he won't join the Navy since that's where I was. Kids.
Maybe you can pass on some info he'll find useful?
...we had to be in great shape. I mean, did you know that to get to the forward mess decks for a slider and fries you have to walk nearly 900 feet? We should get some kind of beret for that!
Watched a documentary on the training for seals and was absolutely amazed! They would have taken one look at me and rolled over laughing! Some serious stuff. Decided to become a snipe instead. It's a whole different world. I knew some seals when I was stationed near Oceana. Thank goodness for people who have that talent.
My son is about to turn 18 and now wants to do something with "special forces" in the name. He's nothing like me. A fit athlete with international medals in judo. He's got a scholarship to train for a year in judo at the Welsh Institue of Sports (NO...that isn't an oxymoron!). He's hoping for a crack at the US Olympic team. If he doesn't make it he says he off to play in the military. He's got my approval. He swears he won't join the Navy since that's where I was. Kids.
Maybe you can pass on some info he'll find useful?
Nobody Special's wife
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I from a family of milatary
They do have women on ships. But Women will never be able to go on a submarine or the Special Forces teams like the navy seals...Just not possible or In the book as of now...I for one would rather be on the main land (it safer) Than being on a ship or another vessel.
But that is just my opion to some facts... Take it or leave it..
THE WIFE
Child of airforce officer
They do have women on ships. But Women will never be able to go on a submarine or the Special Forces teams like the navy seals...Just not possible or In the book as of now...I for one would rather be on the main land (it safer) Than being on a ship or another vessel.
But that is just my opion to some facts... Take it or leave it..
THE WIFE
Child of airforce officer
Closet Desire
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I thought...
...I had heard in the past year that the Navy was trying to put women on subs? Maybe I was thinking of the British navy. I have to admit I was surprised, not because of the physical aspects but just the living quarters and limited space. Hmmm...
...I had heard in the past year that the Navy was trying to put women on subs? Maybe I was thinking of the British navy. I have to admit I was surprised, not because of the physical aspects but just the living quarters and limited space. Hmmm...
