A question for Todd, and the other literal Creationists.

[Thumper]

I have asked my father-a fundamentalist, born again, Christian to the nth degree- this question.

If, as you say, the universe is only an odd 6 or 7 thousand years old; how is it possible for us to see stars and galaxies hundreds of millions of light years away?

A light year is a measure of distance. It is the distance light travels in a year.

Creationists, literal ones, contend that the universe was created around seven thousand years ago. If so, then the stars and galaxies we see were also created then. If the light from an object 100 million light years away started out seven thousand years ago then it wouldn't be due to get here for around another 99,993,000 years.

But...we can see it now. How is that possible?

God created it that way you say? That he made the light get here immediately because he can do anything he wants? Wouldn't that be deceptive? As in "not entirely truth"?

Just curious. He did create the universe and establish it's laws.

 

[Guest]

I'm not sure but somehow, I bet Hillary Clinton is to blame.

The return of the Scruff.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

God created it that way you say? That he made the light get here immediately because he can do anything he wants? Wouldn't that be deceptive? As in "not entirely truth"?

Just curious. He did create the universe and establish it's laws.

you have already boxed god any answer anyone could give will not be accpeted.

Let me ask how is is God making the light immediately available deceptive?

 

[Calamity Jane]

Re: Re: A question for Todd, and the other literal Creationists.

you have already boxed god any answer anyone could give will not be accpeted.

Let me ask how is is God making the light immediately available deceptive?

Because, if god made it immediately available 7000 years ago, why would he make it take so long to get here now? And what was his motivation for doing so anyway?

 

[Thumper]

If it is 100,000,000 million light years away then it takes 100,000,000 million years for it to get here. If it has existed for only 7000 years and we can see it now then something is amiss.

On the surface God seems to have circumvented his own universal laws. He set the rules. Then bypassed them. I am not saying he couldn't, but why would he since it would be deceiving us.

If that is the case then reality is truly a myth.

The only ones to have truly boxed God (or more accurately, to have boxed him in) are those that have constrained him to the literal interpretations of Genesis. They have limited him to fit their inability to comprehend the vastness of infinity and eternity.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

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Because, if god made it immediately available 7000 years ago, why would he make it take so long to get here now? And what was his motivation for doing so anyway?

so you mean he couldn't 7000 years ago started it available and start it at its recorded speed to be continually available at the same rate?

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

If it is 100,000,000 million light years away then it takes 100,000,000 million years for it to get here. If it has existed for only 7000 years and we can see it now then something is amiss.

On the surface God seems to have circumvented his own universal laws. He set the rules. Then bypassed them. I am not saying he couldn't, but why would he since it would be deceiving us.

If that is the case then reality is truly a myth.

there you just defined the box I refered to thank you

 

[Black_Bird]

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Because, if god made it immediately available 7000 years ago, why would he make it take so long to get here now? And what was his motivation for doing so anyway?

Typical answer: "God has reasons for what he does that we can not comprehend."

Scientist/creationist answer: "Seven days are symbolic for ***,***,*** years."

My Answer: "Does it really matter if God created the earth and stars in seven days or not? What is important here is that God *did* create it... And whether you want to believe in God really isn't an issue - because the existance of God has nothing to do with belief, but rather how you choose to define the word "God"."

 

[April]

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so you mean he couldn't 7000 years ago started it available and start it at its recorded speed to be continually available at the same rate?

What the fuck did you say? Nonsense, boy.

 

[perks]

have I stated that I'm birdie's stalker for a reason?

 

[CeceliaSkye]

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My Answer: "Does it really matter if God created the earth and stars in seven days or not? What is important here is that God *did* create it... And whether you want to believe in God really isn't an issue - because the existance of God has nothing to do with belief, but rather how you choose to define the word "God"."

You took the words right out of my mouth

 

[phrodeau]

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Typical answer: "God has reasons for what he does that we can not comprehend."

Scientist/creationist answer: "Seven days are symbolic for ***,***,*** years."

My Answer: "Does it really matter if God created the earth and stars in seven days or not? What is important here is that God *did* create it... And whether you want to believe in God really isn't an issue - because the existance of God has nothing to do with belief, but rather how you choose to define the word "God"."

Why is it important that God created anything at all? Or that any if the biblical claims are accurate? Maybe God is like most human parents who provide bogus answers to satisfy immature minds.

 

[Thumper]

The truth

according to the Bible.

1. The stars were created 7000 years ago.

2. God is truth.

3. God created the immutable laws of the universe.

Then to make the light immediately visible violates number 3, and hence is deceptive and untruthful which violates number 2.

 

[alltherage]

All the proof you need to see the falsehood of creation are ducks. It took 7 million years for such a perfect creature to evolve. The harmonious sounds of their quacks fill the universe and speak of big bangs and feather dusters.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

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What the fuck did you say? Nonsense, boy.

sorry try to simplify it here

god started the stars and set the speed of thier light brought that light here and then the laws kept them at that speed.

example

Cruise control in a car

highway speed is 120 kph car is parked how do you get from point a - b, point a being parked point b 120kph?

you drive the car and bring it up to 120kph and then you set the cruise control and then it by the laws governing the cruise control the car stays at 120kph

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Re: The truth

according to the Bible.

1. The stars were created 7000 years ago.

2. God is truth.

3. God created the immutable laws of the universe.

Then to make the light immediately visible violates number 3, and hence is deceptive and untruthful which violates number 2.

and thus again you still keep god in your confined little box of by saying, he created the laws he must obey them.

politicians create laws and they break, circumvent or work outsideof them

police create/uphold laws and they break, circumvent or work outsideof them

mankind cretes laws and we break, circumvent or work outsideof them

So your saying that yes mankind can do what we like in regard to our own laws but God is not able/allowed to do what he likes in regard to His laws.

 

[mc253]

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[Thumper]

It all boils down to

If God can change the rules he set at any time of his own choosing then how can we trust in anything?

God is too big for one religion or for our limited capacities of comprehension to define.

He/she wants us to question him, and his creations. By doing so we seek him. And the truth.

To fall back on a literal interpretation is abdication of the search. Intellectual sloth. It demands that God come to us. To fit our definition.

*getting his boots and flashlight out*

Let's go see what we can find.

 

[Black_Bird]

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Why is it important that God created anything at all? Or that any if the biblical claims are accurate? Maybe God is like most human parents who provide bogus answers to satisfy immature minds.

You aren't listening.

It *isn't* important if any of the biblical claims are accurate or not; all that matters is faith. Faith, but not belief. Faith is the that little voice in side of you that urges you to recognize something bigger then yourself... belief is the bastardization of faith.

Everyone assumes that God is this magnificant being that has a habit of breaking all the laws of nature and mettles in peoples lives... The problem here isn't that this God does or does not exist, but rather that the definition that we are applying to God is false. You need to take the assumptions of what you believe the word "God" to mean and throw them away. Don't attempt to define God, that is idolotry. Just have faith.

 

[April]

*hands Thumper a big-ass Maglite*

 

[Thumper]

Re: Re: The truth

and thus again you still keep god in your confined little box of by saying, he created the laws he must obey them.

politicians create laws and they break, circumvent or work outsideof them

police create/uphold laws and they break, circumvent or work outsideof them

mankind cretes laws and we break, circumvent or work outsideof them

So your saying that yes mankind can do what we like in regard to our own laws but God is not able/allowed to do what he likes in regard to His laws.

So you are saying that God would behave as man would? That since man is imperfect that God can be also? You seem to imply that since man can fall short that God would also.

God can break his own laws but would he? Why would he? Just to deceive us?

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Re: It all boils down to

To fall back on a literal interpretation is abdication of the search. Intellectual sloth. It demands that God come to us. To fit our definition.

I never stated that god was comprehensible by our standards

but you are right on the nail head, it would be so simple if we could neatly susinctly{sp} bottle god up in our definition

 

[Thumper]

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sorry try to simplify it here

god started the stars and set the speed of thier light brought that light here and then the laws kept them at that speed.

example

Cruise control in a car

highway speed is 120 kph car is parked how do you get from point a - b, point a being parked point b 120kph?

you drive the car and bring it up to 120kph and then you set the cruise control and then it by the laws governing the cruise control the car stays at 120kph

But how do you end up at your destination 1200 kilometers away before you have left the driveway and set the cruise control?

 

[Fly_On_Wall]

Dinosourse left existance 65 "million" years ago.

explain to me dinosourse

god spent 7 days to make the earth... nowhere in there does it say anything about dinosours why?

because the bible was teaching aids for children.

when most parents are asked why is the shy blue they answer it reflects the water cause most people don't know the real answer.


so when asked where did humans come from. someone made up the story of adam and eve, now mabey this was a half truth mabey not. But the guy that made up the story didn't know about dinosours or the fact that the earth was around for millions and millions of years.

most every story in the bible is a myth taken from somthing that is reality.

I belive what is said there happened, but not the same way it said.

Adam and Eve were exiled from the Garden of Eden...
Eden was a real place, and the villagers kicked them out. they went on to make their own tribe somewhere else. this would explain how Seth and Cain met up with future Mates.... they met people from other tribes that were evolved from Chimpanses.

I don't belive in the creation by god in 7 days theory. It's only a metaphore people.

 

[April]

Cruise control, shmooze control. Never use the darn thing. I prefer to make the speed corrections myself. Have more control that way.

Anyway, Todd, most people, when they use their cruise, get up to the desired speed and set it. They don't blast past, and come back down to set the speed.

If God set the speed limit for the light, then WHY would he then simply bring the light closer? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Whatever. I'm going to go play my game. At least that makes sense to me.