Kajira Callista
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I always thought that but it seems the ones who do this enjoy it way too much for it to be that simple.SouthernDom said:
A question about women
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Ebonyfire
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A Desert Rose said:
I have met some women who were like scorpions, they smile at you and call you friend, while the poison tip is poised for a strike at you. The men are sometimes so transparent in their deceitfulness, you just sit back and watch the show. I do know a few men & women who are wonderfully open and honest, and some of them are friends of mine. I consider myself very fortunate.
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Kajira Callista said:
But don't you think that is a perception? Women are always being blamed for the foibles of men. It is easier for some women to blame other women for their problems than admit they are partially to blame.
When a child turns out good, it is because he has a strong father or male presence. If the child turns out badly, it is because his mother was working or did not "mother" him correctly.
So my question still is why is it the woman's fault? Are men that weak minded?
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Ebonyfire said:
Too true.
I remember in college reading a study on how gender affects peoples image. Test subjects were shown two pictures of Doctors, Lawyers, etc. and asked which one they would hire, purely based on their looks. Men seemed to have a major advantage over women, but most interesting was that women discriminated against other women far more than men did.
Any rationale at explaining this phenomenon seems somewhat circular to me, but it sure is interesting.
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Now I know why I have few women as friends. Women seem to be so ready to give a man the benefit of the doubt, but when another woman says something they do not want to hear, she is catty.
I think it is pathetic that most women think their friends are after their man. This type of paranoia and insecurity is the just the kind of thing leads to trouble. If you do not trust him, then why did you hook up with him in the first place? Remember he is in your bed because you put him there.
A man is an adult, and as such can make his own decisions. Many times you will not like what that decision is, but chances are he does not like some of your decisions either.
Don't be so eager to share your female friends. I often wonder if women force their girlfriends on their partner, as bait to see if he will "bite". If she is your friend, then do not insist your man is friends with her. He has his own friends, male and female no doubt.
It takes two people to form a relationship, and it takes two people to destroy it.
Don't play the victim ladies.
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I think it is pathetic that most women think their friends are after their man. This type of paranoia and insecurity is the just the kind of thing leads to trouble. If you do not trust him, then why did you hook up with him in the first place? Remember he is in your bed because you put him there.
A man is an adult, and as such can make his own decisions. Many times you will not like what that decision is, but chances are he does not like some of your decisions either.
Don't be so eager to share your female friends. I often wonder if women force their girlfriends on their partner, as bait to see if he will "bite". If she is your friend, then do not insist your man is friends with her. He has his own friends, male and female no doubt.
It takes two people to form a relationship, and it takes two people to destroy it.
Don't play the victim ladies.
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Ebonyfire said:
See now this is the way I've always thought too! It's really sad how many women get off on drama and playing the victim all the time. Life's too short for all the foolishness... let's get back to the spankings!
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As a man, i resent this chauvinistic observation.Caryatid said:
i enjoy ambush raping a woman's ass. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/363868/X3banana2.gif
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Not all cases of a man being "stolen away" are sheerly so a vendictive/controling/whatever woman can get her rush.
Occasionally there's that crazy thing called love involved.
Its a rarity, but it does happen.
Hubby's ex still dispises me, even after over 5 years later.
'Course I never hid what I wanted, even when they were dating. Slutty- yeah, probably, but I loved him then and I love him now.
So its not always evil intentions that cause a woman to lure a man away from another.
Occasionally there's that crazy thing called love involved.
Its a rarity, but it does happen.
Hubby's ex still dispises me, even after over 5 years later.
'Course I never hid what I wanted, even when they were dating. Slutty- yeah, probably, but I loved him then and I love him now.
So its not always evil intentions that cause a woman to lure a man away from another.
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Ebonyfire said:
I know, that's why the 'stolen' was in parenthesis. It doesn't matter, though. She shouldn't have been hanging around with a 'taken' guy, and he shouldn't have been hanging around with another woman. It's equal, she's as much to blame as he is.
If he's that determined to leave, fine. But she shouldn't have given him a reason, make him be the adult he is and tell his SO the freaken truth.
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Ebonyfire said:
Also if you think you friend will sleep with him (assuming he's interested) then she's not much of a friend is she? If all your friends are after you SO then you are either (a) paranoid (most likely) or (b) in desperate need of new friends.
I also agree with this. I personally don't think that men and women can be friends. I know that a lot of people are going to disagree, and you're not going to change my mind, so don't bother. But beyond that quite often men aren't looking to cheat, it happens. How? They get to know this chick, they develop affection for her. Then they start to fantasize about her, or even if they don't something happens. Then they can only think about her sexually. Then they will start looking for things that are wrong with their current SO, to validate themselves. "It's ok that I"m doing this, cause she's such a bitch. She's got it coming."
Know what would have stopped this from happening in the first place? If you'd kept your friends to yourself. I'm not saying don't have them be friendly, it's nice if they get along. They just dont' need to be BEST FRIENDS. grr
I'm not even blaming it all on the woman. I just say that they each have their share of the blame. And frankly their's a chance that the cheat-ee has her blame too. But it's not a matter of it's not the 'femme-fatale's' fault at all. She's got as much fault as everyone else in the scenario.
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Betticus said:
People are nuts, period. People are selfish, unkind, and inconsiderate. They will be kind and considerate as long as it doesn't put them out too much. But the second that it goes against their grain then they're out of it. It's ok if you hurt this person or that person. After all, you gotta think about yourself. It's ok that you broke her heart, because you wanted him, and you deserve to be with him. IT'S NOT. If people put half the effort into other people as they do into themselves the world would be a happier place.
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graceanne said:
Listen men and women have to work with so called "taken" men and women all the time. It is a fact of life that men and women will be thrown together. I just think that being paranoid about it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The sentence could very well be re-phrased to say he shouldn't have been hanging around a single woman if he was so "taken". Which is my point. The way the sentence was phrased puts the responsibility on the woman. The reality is that both people are responsible, and that is that.
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Ebonyfire said:
Hell no we aren’t weak and I can prove it.
What I need is for 6 of the ladies here to try to seduce me. What this will entail is steamy emails, nude pictures, and phone sex. After I have been able to resist for several months I’ll be ready to accept your apology on behalf of all the good men here.
Who wants to go first?
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i dont think this thread was aimed at putting fault on male or female. they were a bunch of questions i wanted a bit of feedback on...so i started a thread.Ebonyfire said:
i dont really have an opinion either way.
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I have had and continue to have many male friends that I haven't fucked.
I have had and continue to have many female friends that I haven't fucked.
It's not that they or I don't want to. It's that we are responsible enough to know it's not a good idea under present circumstances and therefore control ourselves. (Naturally I actually don't want to fuck ALL my friends, just most of them.)
I find men much more simple to understand. This is one reason why most of my buds when I was younger were men.
I find women to be more complex and in some cases, more rewarding.
I love both men and woman of all ages simply as wonderful flawed human beings.
Back stabbing punks, drama queens, and other chronically difficult types of either sex, I do not like and usually, unless related to them, don't love.
*shrugs*
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I have had and continue to have many female friends that I haven't fucked.
It's not that they or I don't want to. It's that we are responsible enough to know it's not a good idea under present circumstances and therefore control ourselves. (Naturally I actually don't want to fuck ALL my friends, just most of them.)
I find men much more simple to understand. This is one reason why most of my buds when I was younger were men.
I find women to be more complex and in some cases, more rewarding.
I love both men and woman of all ages simply as wonderful flawed human beings.
Back stabbing punks, drama queens, and other chronically difficult types of either sex, I do not like and usually, unless related to them, don't love.
*shrugs*
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I have to agree with Ebonyfire on where to place the blame.
It's always been curious to me to see women who flirt with everyone and everybody, then giggle as their boyfriends get upset with the men who flirt back. Like strangers somehow have a responsibility to unquestionably respect the sanctity of any relationship, even if they don't know about it.
In college, my social group and I had what I think is a very sophisticated outlook on the subject. We were all allowed to hit on each other's girlfriend's (of whatever commitment level) and it was up to them to rebuke us. The only unbrotherly action would be to be dishonest about the results. Of course, this rule probably only seemed necessary since we were animals and would hit on any piece of ass that would wander into our dungeon of an apartment. Personally, I wouldn't think much of my bond with a female if her only reason for not cheating was her lack of options or opportunity.
It's always been curious to me to see women who flirt with everyone and everybody, then giggle as their boyfriends get upset with the men who flirt back. Like strangers somehow have a responsibility to unquestionably respect the sanctity of any relationship, even if they don't know about it.
In college, my social group and I had what I think is a very sophisticated outlook on the subject. We were all allowed to hit on each other's girlfriend's (of whatever commitment level) and it was up to them to rebuke us. The only unbrotherly action would be to be dishonest about the results. Of course, this rule probably only seemed necessary since we were animals and would hit on any piece of ass that would wander into our dungeon of an apartment. Personally, I wouldn't think much of my bond with a female if her only reason for not cheating was her lack of options or opportunity.
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You know, I wouldn't like someone to deliberately try to rock our little loveboat either, but a bit of stray sex by either of us is very unlikely to do that. We just don't really see that as cheating, yet we are aware that most people do. Phhtt !! we're human & don't believe that we were really meant to be totally monogamous.
Marquis, I'm curious as to how you define cheating, given your lifestyle. Obviously for you, although you have a regular partner whom you love, your stray sex does not count, except as an experience. Given plenty of options & opportunity, if your sub was to indulge herself this way, would you consider that she was cheating on you?
Marquis, I'm curious as to how you define cheating, given your lifestyle. Obviously for you, although you have a regular partner whom you love, your stray sex does not count, except as an experience. Given plenty of options & opportunity, if your sub was to indulge herself this way, would you consider that she was cheating on you?
