A new weapon against terrorism...

[elsol]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12810956/

That's it... just declare them a material witness and then you can bend the Constitution over the barrel.

And of course... you know the best part is the 'criminal' is walking around on bond.

Zeal is my favorite sin.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[oggbashan]

It sounds as mad as some of the things perpetrated here under the Human Rights Act - criminals have rights, victims don't.

How about identifying suspected terrorists as potential informers against drug barons? Would that solve a few difficulties about the terrorists' legal rights? You could promise them witness protection - next week...

Og

 

[lucky-E-leven]

Unbelievable.

 

[LadyJeanne]

Prosecutors said the teen is a material witness. They wanted her girl jailed “so that she is not on the streets where we can’t find her or she’s doing things she shouldn’t be doing,” said Mary Ann Kovach, who heads the Summit County prosecutor’s criminal division.

Like what, Ms. Prosecutor? What shouldn't a 14 year old girl be doing that is any of your business - talking to her lawyer??

 

[R. Richard]

Like what, Ms. Prosecutor? What shouldn't a 14 year old girl be doing that is any of your business - talking to her lawyer??

LadyJeanne I am guessing that you have never lived on the streets. I have.

You ask: "What shouldn't a 14 year old girl be doing that is any of your business - talking to her lawyer??"
OK, first of all, a minor child is not entitled to a lawyer, at least not in most states. If the scumbags catch a 14-year-old girl, they throw her into juvie. They deny her contact with the adult wannabe pimp who is almost certainly controlling her. [If denying her contact with the older, larger, stronger pimp is bad, please explain why.] The they give her "counseling." [Some semi-mentally retarded person who got it piled higher and deeper then tries to convince her to go back home. Probably to an insane mother and a sexually abusing father, each of whom does have constitutional rights. As you might imagine, the 14-year-old girl don't wanna go home. She knows she can't survive on the steets without her pimp. So, she wants her pimp.] After a time, the 14-year-old girl is dumped back into her family home and she runs away again. [Surprise!]
[By the way, they don't treat 14-year-old boys the same way. No, they have a large goon (In my case two large goons) stand by while the semi-mentally retarded PhD delivers the usual tired lies.]

Oh yes, the 14-year-old is told, "You have to go to school. It is good for you." I ask, "Really, you mean I can learn more in an inner city school than I can by stealing books from the library and returning them when I get finished? You mean that the semi-mentally retarded teachers in the inner city school can give me a better reading list than the librarian leaves for me?" "You have to go to school. You don't have constitutional rights at your age."

OK, the 14-year-old is told, "You will go to school." The 14-year-old asks, "You mean to learn things that will enable me to earn a living and get off the streets?" The 14-year-old is told, "That aint our problem!"

LadyJeanne, if you think that a little conversation with a lawyer is going to help a very disturbed 14-year-old who basically has no constitutional rights, please tell me how. TIA.

 

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[LadyJeanne]

LadyJeanne I am guessing that you have never lived on the streets. I have.

You ask: "What shouldn't a 14 year old girl be doing that is any of your business - talking to her lawyer??"
OK, first of all, a minor child is not entitled to a lawyer, at least not in most states. If the scumbags catch a 14-year-old girl, they throw her into juvie. They deny her contact with the adult wannabe pimp who is almost certainly controlling her. [If denying her contact with the older, larger, stronger pimp is bad, please explain why.] The they give her "counseling." [Some semi-mentally retarded person who got it piled higher and deeper then tries to convince her to go back home. Probably to an insane mother and a sexually abusing father, each of whom does have constitutional rights. As you might imagine, the 14-year-old girl don't wanna go home. She knows she can't survive on the steets without her pimp. So, she wants her pimp.] After a time, the 14-year-old girl is dumped back into her family home and she runs away again. [Surprise!]
[By the way, they don't treat 14-year-old boys the same way. No, they have a large goon (In my case two large goons) stand by while the semi-mentally retarded PhD delivers the usual tired lies.]

Oh yes, the 14-year-old is told, "You have to go to school. It is good for you." I ask, "Really, you mean I can learn more in an inner city school than I can by stealing books from the library and returning them when I get finished? You mean that the semi-mentally retarded teachers in the inner city school can give me a better reading list than the librarian leaves for me?" "You have to go to school. You don't have constitutional rights at your age."

OK, the 14-year-old is told, "You will go to school." The 14-year-old asks, "You mean to learn things that will enable me to earn a living and get off the streets?" The 14-year-old is told, "That aint our problem!"

LadyJeanne, if you think that a little conversation with a lawyer is going to help a very disturbed 14-year-old who basically has no constitutional rights, please tell me how. TIA.

Er, did you read the article? The girl may have been molested and is now in jail because she didn't show up to testify against the man. She wasn't caught doing anything.

AKRON, Ohio - A 14-year-old girl who ran away to avoid testifying against a man accused of molesting her has been jailed for a week and denied access to an attorney, officials and court records said.

The girl failed to show up May 8 at the trial of 20-year-old Galo Sanchez-Pesantes. She was taken into custody a day later when her mother found her and called police.

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

Although prosecutors do perform valuable services, sometimes their excesses make me wonder. The same article had this link to another case of police/prosecutorial misconduct.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12824067/

And of course, look at the antics of the DA in the Duke alleged rape case

 

[R. Richard]

Er, did you read the article? The girl may have been molested and is now in jail because she didn't show up to testify against the man. She wasn't caught doing anything.

Yes, I did read the article. The girl was undoubtedly molested, by the pimp and undoubtedly by others. The girl is the psychological slave of her pimp. That is why she will not willingly testify against her pimp.

I suspect, without knowing for sure, that the girl is not in jail. She is almost certainly in "juvie." In jail, a person has rights. In juvie, a minor has no rights.

The girl was ordered by adults to testify against her pimp. Of course, she did not want to do this, as the pimp, bad as he was, was the girl's only means of survival in the steets. Thus, the adults who now hold her as a slave must keep her in a cage. Adults do not tolerate minors who thwart the desires of adults. At least her pimp realizes that she is valuable property. He may beat her with a pimp stick, but he will not really harm her, she is valuable merchandice. Of course, the pimp will dump her once she becomes petrified wood, but the average 14-year-old girl can't see that far ahead. On the other hand, the fine, noble government people will keep her in one cage or another until she is 18-years-old and then they will dump her in the streets with no skills to earn a living, because she is now an adult. Goodbye juvie, hello steet whore.

It is a terrible choice, but the girl is probably marginally better off with the pimp.

If you have never been in juvie, let me tell you the rules. There are really no rules except that they dump you in the streets the day you turn 18-years-old. In many states juvie is not required to notify the minor's parents. Juvie is never required to notify anyone except juvie about the detention of a minor. The minor in juvie has no rights, constitutional or otherwise.

Although my own experience with juvie lasted less than a day, I can tell you that the people who run juvie are violently insane. The large, powerful male "counselor" turned his back on me, once!

Oh yes, the scumbags did not try to determine why I was placed under the control of an insane adult. They did try to recapture me. They did not try all that hard.

 

[elsol]

*cough*cough*

I didn't know Summit County Jail was actually Summit County Juvenile Hall... but I don't live in Ohio.

A 14-year-old girl is in jail after failing to testify at the trial of a man accused of molesting her.

Common Pleas Judge James Murphy has ordered the teen held indefinitely.

She's been incarcerated since Wednesday at the Summit County Jail, where she's isolated from adult inmates.

Murphy tried to have the girl placed in the juvenile detention.

But Juvenile Court Judge Linda Tucci Teodosio said federal law prevents the detention of juveniles who are not accused of a crime.

Prosecutors say the teen is a material witness and they want her jailed for her safety.

Defense attorneys say the girl denied having sex but prosecutors are trying to coerce her into testifying.

20-year-old Galo Sanchez-Pesantes of Akron is accused of having unlawful sexual conduct with her in January.
© 2006
The Associated Press

 

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[SweetPrettyAss]

This gets worse all the time. The judge says, in effect, that they can't hold a minor who has not been accused of a crime. The DA says, okay, since they can't hold her in Juvie, they will incarcerate her in the county jail and keep her incommunicado.

It sounds like suborning a witness in the extreme. "We are going to keep you locked up until you testify that this guy molested you whether he did it or not."

 

[minsue]

What's truly distressing about all this is prosecutors in this country for years have been holding people as "material witnesses" without charging them, but nobody gave a flying fuck until they did it to someone who didn't have a "foreign" name.

 

[R. Richard]

I stand corrected. The girl is theoreticaly being held in jail. However, you note that she is not in regular jail, but a separate section of the regular jail. separate section of the regular jail = juvie. They put a kid into jail, but they do not allow contact with adult prisoners [and just as well.] Thus, they have created a juvie inside the regular jail. The important difference is that the kid does not have rights. The kid is still being held despite a judges decision, precisely because the kid does not have legal rights. The kid is being prevented from contact with adult prisoners, which is good. The kid is being prevented from contact with a lawyer, which is bad.

 

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[R. Richard]

Btw, the indictment (PDF file, and I can tell you how to see it if you're willing to search for it) says nothing about "molestation." Zip. Zero. Nada. It's a straight he was 20, she was 13, charge. MSN is the entity which started using that loaded word.

If a 20 year old adult has sex with a minor child [13/14 is a minor child,] then it is indeed incorrect to use the word "molestation." If there was sex, the correct term is "statutory rape." But wait! What if the sex was consesual? The sex can't be consensual, a minor child is not legally capable of giving consent [no rights.]

I would indeed like to see the indictment.