A Mind That Matters

[Politruk]

Yeah, it's disgusting. He really should have a lot more recognition for his accomplishments.

It's the same reason Larry Elder didn't get elected as governor of California (think I got the state right). The racism of the left was just too much for him to win against.

Elder is a Limbaugh-type -- zero credibility:

Laurence Allen Elder (born April 27, 1952) is an American conservative political commentator and talk radio host. He hosts The Larry Elder Show, based in California. The show began as a local program on Los Angeles radio station KABC in 1993 and ran until 2008, followed by a second run on KABC from 2010 to 2014. The show is nationally syndicated, first through ABC Radio Networks from 2002 to 2007 and then Salem Media Group from 2015 to 2022. He maintains ties to The Epoch Times, a far-right newspaper published by the Falun Gong movement.[2] While Elder is primarily known as a conservative, he also self-identifies as a "small l" libertarian, summarizing his political ideology as "I believe that a government that governs less governs best."[3][4]

 

[Politruk]

Like LBJ said: "I'll have those n****s voting Democratic for 200 years".

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-voting-democratic/

Snopes ranks that "Unproven."

Better documented is that when LBJ signed the Voting Rights Act, he said, "We [the Democrats] have just lost the South for a generation."

 

[Lazaran]

You want to hear the whole song again? Fine.

FACT: Only one person ever claimed to have heard LBJ say that, and that one person had a long track record of similarly sensationalistic quotes that no one else could back up.

FACT: He claimed to have overheard LBJ make the comment from several feet away on a crowded plane, where it would have been difficult to hear anything clearly.

FACT: He claimed LBJ was talking to two governors at the time. He didn't say which two and it's probably safe to assume they're both dead by now; but records are kept of who flew with the president on Air Force One, and most politicians donate their official papers to some university or archival society. You can't prove a negative, but if someone wanted to prove LBJ really had made the comment, a natural first step would be to figure out who the two governors were and to explore their archives for any mention of the incident (if someone that famous said a thing like that to you, wouldn't you write it down?). The fact that there's no evidence anyone has done that suggests that either people who want to believe the comment is real are afraid to find out otherwise, or someone did try and came up empty.

FACT: Yes, LBJ was indeed a racist by today's standards. But for that very reason, he knew perfectly well that if you wanted to exploit racial divisions for political benefit, the race you wanted in your corner was the most numerous one - that is, whites. (Which is exactly why the Republicans have been appealing to their prejudices ever since the Civil Rights Act was passed.) It makes no sense at all to corner 17% of the population knowing you'll turn large swaths of the other 83% against you. I can see why you'd want to believe LBJ was that dumb, but the record shows he was not. Racist or not, he was also a very shrewd politician - too much so to make such an obvious miscalculation. (Indeed, he really did say, the night he signed the Civil Rights Act, that he had ceded the South to the Republicans for a generation. Turns out he was being optimistic, as it's two generations and counting.)

And last but not least, something that is not a fact but which I have no doubt of: All else being equal, if you changed LBJ to Trump up there, you would be saying all the very same things I've been saying. Everyone here knows that.

Well said. (Though TaintyFuckBoi does NOT deserve anything near that quality of a reply.)

 

[YDB95]

Well said. (Though TaintyFuckBoi does NOT deserve anything near that quality of a reply.)

I agree. That's why I keep that rebuttal handy elsewhere on my computer for copying and pasting every time some deplorable claims LBJ said it.

 

[TastySuckToy]

FACT: Yes, LBJ was indeed a racist by today's standards.

Thanks for confirming the grounds on which I give his democrat comment significant credibility.

 

[YDB95]

Thanks for confirming the grounds on which I give his democrat comment significant credibility.

And thank you for once again demonstrating for everyone how you will pull things wildly out of context to "prove" your points, in a way no one buys who didn't already agree with you.

 

[TastySuckToy]

And thank you for once again demonstrating for everyone how you will pull things wildly out of context to "prove" your points, in a way no one buys who didn't already agree with you.

You freely admitted (democrat) LBJ is factually a racist.

That makes the case closed as far as I'm concerned.

 

[YDB95]

You freely admitted (democrat) LBJ is factually a racist.

That makes the case closed as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, I have no doubt. But surely even you can see how faulty that logic is. I mean, Trump is factually a racist too, and you don't see me claiming he made that comment. For that matter, there are thousands of racist comments neither one ever made.

Not to mention, your very own link explained that LBJ's use of the N-word was often strategic, for connecting with racist senators whose votes he wanted. There was nothing strategic about mouthing off to a couple of governors (who didn't get a vote in Congress and whose opinions didn't really matter as far as national politics was concerned).

Or if you need it spelled out like a five year old would, here we go. LBJ was a racist by modern-day standards (as were most of his generation, but that's beside the point). That alone does not prove he made a particular racist comment. Case closed.

 

[ll74]

They are there for all to see. I challenge you to find a single one.

You think that one singular quote or even a few quotes are definitive. Lol

 

[UltraChad]

Oh, I have no doubt. But surely even you can see how faulty that logic is. I mean, Trump is factually a racist too, and you don't see me claiming he made that comment. For that matter, there are thousands of racist comments neither one ever made.

Not to mention, your very own link explained that LBJ's use of the N-word was often strategic, for connecting with racist senators whose votes he wanted. There was nothing strategic about mouthing off to a couple of governors (who didn't get a vote in Congress and whose opinions didn't really matter as far as national politics was concerned).

Or if you need it spelled out like a five year old would, here we go. LBJ was a racist by modern-day standards (as were most of his generation, but that's beside the point). That alone does not prove he made a particular racist comment. Case closed.

It's only racist when Republicans do it.

Racial segregation, discrimination and whatever else "social justice" calls for is called "progress" when democrats do it!!!

LOL fucking unreal how fucked in the head you and those like you are. There should be some basic civil service requirements to keep commie shitheads like you from voting.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I've read almost every book he's ever written.

He's written forty-seven.

Which ones haven't you read yet? Give us the titles.

 

[YDB95]

It's only racist when Republicans do it.

I haven't seen anyone say that except you.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Oh, I have no doubt. But surely even you can see how faulty that logic is. I mean, Trump is factually a racist too,

You and I both agree LBJ is factually a (democrat) racist, upon which I judge the likelyhood of the reported comment.

You and I do not agree that Trump is a racist, and I have yet to see any Trump critic or detractor actually put forth a convincing case that he is.

 

[UltraChad]

I haven't seen anyone say that except you.

You just wrote a fuckin' essay to essentially say that.

And you guys simply operate on that principle 24/7 all the fuckin' time....it's ANTI-Racism when you guys racially discriminate, it's PROGRESS!! and social justice.

 

[UltraChad]

You and I both agree LBJ is factually a (democrat) racist, upon which I judge the likelyhood of the reported comment.

You and I do not agree that Trump is a racist, and I have yet to see any Trump critic or detractor actually put forth a convincing case that he is.

OMG IT'S OBVIOUS HE'S A FUCKING NAZI!!!!

DO YOU SEE A (D) NEXT TO HIS NAME?? NO?? THAT'S PROOF HE'S A RACIST NAZ RAPIST WITH 20 GANG RAPIST NAZI DICKSI!!!

 

[YDB95]

You and I both agree LBJ is factually a (democrat) racist, upon which I judge the likelyhood of the reported comment.

And I have already explained why that really doesn't work.

You and I do not agree that Trump is a racist, and I have yet to see any Trump critic or detractor actually put forth a convincing case that he is.

Oh, sure you have. You just choose to believe he isn't against all evidence to the contrary.

You just wrote a fuckin' essay to essentially say that.

Feel free to explain how.

 

[TastySuckToy]

And I have already explained why that really doesn't work.

You and I both agree someone is factually racist, but you balk at the idea that I consider this fact good grounds to accept a claim about a racist comment made by said racist.

And you think this "doesn't work".

Oh, sure you have. You just choose to believe he isn't against all evidence to the contrary.

You know Trump isn't racist and just pretend to think he is to justify your political positions.

 

[Politruk]

OMG IT'S OBVIOUS HE'S A FUCKING NAZI!!!!

What's obvious is that Sowell is a fucking supply-sider, which ain't much better.

 

[YDB95]

You and I both agree someone is factually racist, but you balk at the idea that I consider this fact good grounds to accept a claim about a racist comment made by said racist.

And you think this "doesn't work".

I always thought George W. Bush was stupid, and I still do. When he was president, there was a rumor that he asked the president of Brazil, "Does Brazil have Blacks too?" (It does, more of them than any country outside Africa including the United States.) While there was ample evidence that he was stupid, did that alone prove he really said that? No, it didn't. One person claimed he'd said it, and no one else was able to corroborate.

So for me to say, "He's a moron, ergo he must have really asked that stupid, clueless question" doesn't work. And neither does your claim that LBJ said something that only one person claimed to have heard, and which would be out of character for him inasmuch as he was too shrewd a politician to think cornering the Black vote was a good thing. Indeed, as I noted above, he is known to have predicted correctly that signing the Civil Rights Act would hurt the Democrats severely among white voters. So it really doesn't add up, and that he was a racist by modern standards alone does not prove otherwise.

You know Trump isn't racist and just pretend to think he is to justify your political positions.

He called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers, he referred to low-paying jobs as "Black jobs", he was endorsed by the freakin' KKK, the very first time he ever got his name in the paper back in 1973 was because he was being sued for refusing to rent to Black tenants, you know about the Central Park Five...I could go on, but I have no doubt you'll simply apply your usual strategy of cooking up some extremely-unlikely-but-you-can't-prove-a-negative alternative interpretation for each and every one of them.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I always thought George W. Bush was stupid, and I still do. When he was president, there was a rumor that he asked the president of Brazil, "Does Brazil have Blacks too?" (It does, more of them than any country outside Africa including the United States.) While there was ample evidence that he was stupid, did that alone prove he really said that? No, it didn't. One person claimed he'd said it, and no one else was able to corroborate.

It's not a matter of something being proven without doubt; it's simply my personal assessment that a well known racist, that you and I both completely agree on, said something racist.

My grounds for my assessment is literally "known and agreed upon racist likely said something racist".

Pretty damn logical assessment.

He called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers,

He called the cartel human trafficers such.

he referred to low-paying jobs as "Black jobs",

Not familiar with that claim.

he was endorsed by the freakin' KKK,

Don't care. Trump cannot mind control who endorses him and he denounced such racist organizations repeatedly.

the very first time he ever got his name in the paper back in 1973 was because he was being sued for refusing to rent to Black tenants,

His rental company was refusing to rent to poor tenants, some of whom were black.

Apparently you're not familiar with blacks being disproportionately poor and therefore they will be disproportionately represented within assessments made on the basis of economic considerstions.

you know about the Central Park Five...

Which was an issue of a heavily publicized and horrible crime, not race.

I could go on, but I have no doubt you'll simply apply your usual strategy of cooking up some extremely-unlikely-but-you-can't-prove-a-negative alternative interpretation for each and every one of them.

Yes, I'm well aware you think your conclusions and interpretations can be the only acceptable ones. You start with the premise Trump is racist and assume racist intent and perspective, and interpret all examples through that lense.

 

[YDB95]

It's not a matter of something being proven without doubt; it's simply my personal assessment that a well known racist, that you and I both completely agree on, said something racist.

My grounds for my assessment is literally "known and agreed upon racist likely said something racist".

Pretty damn logical assessment.

No, it really isn't, especially not coming from someone like you who will put yourself through no end of logical acrobatics to convince yourself Trump isn't racist. There are thousands of racist comments any given racist could make, but has not.

The real test is, all else being equal, would you believe it if a politician you support had said it? I won't try to read your mind, but I sincerely doubt you would.

He called the cartel human trafficers such.

He may have said that later on, but not in his campaign kickoff speech. He just called them rapists and drug pushers, and left it at that. He also later asked a judge to recuse himself from a case because the judge was of Mexican ancestry.

Not familiar with that claim.

He said it in the debate with Biden last year.

Don't care. Trump cannot mind control who endorses him and he denounced such racist organizations repeatedly.

"Very fine people on both sides". "Stand back and stand by".

His rental company was refusing to rent to poor tenants, some of whom were black.

No, they were singling out Black applicants from square one. Trump's very first job was marking their applications with a C for "colored".

Which was an issue of a heavily publicized and horrible crime, not race.

Southern strategy 101.

Yes, I'm well aware you think your conclusions and interpretations can be the only acceptable ones. You start with the premise Trump is racist and assume racist intent and perspective, and interpret all examples through that lense.

Even if it were that simple, guess what? That's exactly what you're doing with that (likely apocryphal) LBJ quote!

 

[Politruk]

You know Trump isn't racist and just pretend to think he is to justify your political positions.

Donald Trump is a racist. There has been no reasonable doubt on that point at any time since the 1970s. He never would have demanded the execution of the Central Park Five if they had been white, and you know it.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

Donald Trump is a racist. There has been no reasonable doubt on that point at any time since the 1970s. He never would have demanded the execution of the Central Park Five if they had been white, and you know it.

You’re the biggest idiot on the whole PB. I’m not sure you quite understand how stupid you sound.

There is this thing called the interweb. It’s where you can go back and find things that make you NOT sound stupid.

 

[Politruk]

You’re the biggest idiot on the whole PB. I’m not sure you quite understand how stupid you sound.

There is this thing called the interweb. It’s where you can go back and find things that make you NOT sound stupid.

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None of his "black friends" make any difference.

 

[Politruk]

No, he isn't, he's a supply-sider. Economic equivalent of a flat Earther.

This is all that really matters here.