A Marriage Thread

[JohnnySavage]

1. Here in the Free State, our governor just signed a bill legalizing gay marriage.
2. In November, Minnesotans are going to vote on outlawing gay marriage.
3. The US Constitution says one state has to recognize the laws of the other states.
4. The Defense of Marriage Act says states don't have to recognize gay marriage of other states.

A. This is a very interesting Constitutional issue.
B. I don't care much about the religious/moral components.
C. I don't think the government should be involved in marriage at all.
D. Since they are though, Equal Protection would demand that DOMA is unconstitutional, and State laws prohibiting gay marriage should be void.

I. Now, if the government were not to confer benefits upon married people, the Constitutional crisis would be averted.
II. Backward States could continue to be scared of the homos.
III. The true conservative position is for the government to treat everyone as an individual and have no special treatment for married people.
IV. The current conservative ideology is 'social' conservatism - which is a lot like social Marxism.


These are my thoughts.

 

[CandiCame]

I think it's weird that there's a stipulation on the gender of who can enter into a legal contract.

Having said that, I dislike marriage in general. My grandparents have been together for 45 years, but there's no common law marriage in Ky, so my grandma gets none of his union shit, like she would if they were married. I honestly have no idea why they never went and got that goddamned paper.

 

[chillywilly2]

I'm going with, it doesn't affect me so I don't give a shit

 

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[CandiCame]

Is the plural of banjo with an "e" or without?

You sure got a pretty mouth on you, boy...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The OP is wrong.

The States have always enacted conflicted laws. Emancipation is one example: In Michigan 17 is the legal age of emancipation, in Florida the age is 18. If a freshly minted Michigan 'adult' comes to Florida her emancipated status means nuthin. An 18 year old New Yorker cant drink alcohol in Pennsylvania.

 

[CandiCame]

The OP is wrong.

The States have always enacted conflicted laws. Emancipation is one example: In Michigan 17 is the legal age of emancipation, in Florida the age is 18. If a freshly minted Michigan 'adult' comes to Florida her emancipated status means nuthin. An 18 year old New Yorker cant drink alcohol in Pennsylvania.

Waitwaitwait-

Drinkin age is 18 in NY!?

Fuck yeah!

 

[JohnnySavage]

The OP is wrong.

The States have always enacted conflicted laws. Emancipation is one example: In Michigan 17 is the legal age of emancipation, in Florida the age is 18. If a freshly minted Michigan 'adult' comes to Florida her emancipated status means nuthin. An 18 year old New Yorker cant drink alcohol in Pennsylvania.

An 18 year old New Yorker can't drink in New York either. Dummy. I don't think you know what emancipation means.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

The OP is wrong.

The States have always enacted conflicted laws. Emancipation is one example: In Michigan 17 is the legal age of emancipation, in Florida the age is 18. If a freshly minted Michigan 'adult' comes to Florida her emancipated status means nuthin. An 18 year old New Yorker cant drink alcohol in Pennsylvania.

You do know it is no longer 1982?

 

[CandiCame]

An 18 year old New Yorker can't drink in New York either. Dummy. I don't think you know what emancipation means.

goddamn it

I know it's not the social issue of the thread, but this has ALWAYS pissed me off- I can vote, I can smoke, I can go off to die in some godforsaken blistering desert-

But I can't order a rum & coke?
What
the
fuck?

 

[winegirl]

Well in Canada, same sex marriage has been legalized for several years, and you know what affect it has had on straight marriages? absolutely none whatsoever.

Ironically though, the divorce laws have not officially been updated to contemplate same-sex divorce. So Gay marriage in Canada is kind of like Hotel California - "you can show up anytime you like but you can never leave."

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You do know it is no longer 1982?

Things change but my point is valid. The fly in your ointment is, which State prevails when it comes to respecting conflicted licenses?

 

[CandiCame]

I seriously don't get why we need marriage laws at all. It's kind of crazy- it's a legal contract where you give someone else half your life. We already have child custody laws, we already have personal property laws, we already have joint property laws. Marriage is retarded.

And that's not because I have commitment issues, it's just that it causes way more harm then good. Most marriages last 4 years. My grandparent's relationship lasted 45. So far.

 

[IndieSnob]

Well in Canada, same sex marriage has been legalized for several years, and you know what affect it has had on straight marriages? absolutely none whatsoever.

Ironically though, the divorce laws have not officially been updated to contemplate same-sex divorce. So Gay marriage in Canada is kind of like Hotel California - "you can show up anytime you like but you can never leave."

If you want to fully support gay rights, please don't quote Eagles songs.

That's just insulting to anyone.

 

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[CHNOPS]

If I trim off the unnecessary letters, numbers, words and illustrations, the article-length OP says: "You would think the conservative position would be not to have a position on something like marriage."

Same goes for abortion, of course.

R's have been happy to let the word 'conservative' apply to any number of incompatible elements. Fiscal, social, religious, and legislative conservatives (i.e., Libertarians) have almost nothing in common except the use of that word.

For the moral of that story, see the current GOOP nominating stew.

 

[JohnnySavage]

If I trim off the unnecessary letters, numbers, words and illustrations, the article-length OP says: "You would think the conservative position would be not to have a position on something like marriage."

Same goes for abortion, of course.

R's have been happy to let the word 'conservative' apply to any number of incompatible elements. Fiscal, social, religious, and legislative conservatives (i.e., Libertarians) have almost nothing in common except the use of that word.

For the moral of that story, see the current GOOP nominating stew.

Not a single post of mine has unnecessary letters, numbers, words or illustrations. Not one.

Social Conservatives suck.

 

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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I can already see I'm going to have to tie a pork chop around the neck of this thread to even get the dogs to play with it.

Better.[/QUOTE]

Better yet, tie a chop around your pecker but no guarantees any self respecting dogs will even lick it.

 

[CHNOPS]

Better yet, tie a chop around your pecker but no guarantees any self respecting dogs will even lick it.

Good one, Vetteman!

 

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[JohnnySavage]

Johnny, I tried. Unless PinkStarFish comes in with a tit, or mona and the girls with the DSL's pop in, this puppy is DOA.

You've got to give it a chance. The righties are still in mourning and the lefties are still spankin' the monkey.

 

[winegirl]

If you want to fully support gay rights, please don't quote Eagles songs.

That's just insulting to anyone.

I did it just for you.