A little quantum mechanics and the Zen commentary on Zoroastrianism

[Dillinger]

I'd venture to say that the oldest monotheist world view goes way beyond religion and is actually the quark. Its all about the up quark and the down quark and the this spin and that spin. True Zen is actually seeing the quark. True enlightenement is becoming the quark.

 

[Awesome]

*Licks lips,flips hair,giggles a little*

 

[superlittlegirl]

Theoretical subatomic particles confuse me, Dillinger.

That being said, I wanna be a neutrino. They sound like they are much cuter than quarks.

Edited for a nod and wink to RisiaSkye.

 

[scylis]

you must grok the quark.

 

[Dietrich K.]

The master who says he is the master is not the true master.

 

[RisiaSkye]

I'd venture to say that the oldest monotheist world view goes way beyond religion and is actually the quark. Its all about the up quark and the down quark and the this spin and that spin. True Zen is actually seeing the quark. True enlightenement is becoming the quark.

But the acceptance of the quark view doesn't reach the level of scientific faith until much later. Though I agree that simplistic views of physical interaction and atomic valences can be traced to the astronomical views of early societies--in that respect, we've not moved significantly beyond Egypt or the Druids.

So, wanna fuck?

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Man with hands in pants, always feel a little cocky. - Confucious

 

[Dillinger]

Re: Re: A little quantum mechanics and the Zen commentary on Zoroastrianism

But the acceptance of the quark view doesn't reach the level of scientific faith until much later. Though I agree that simplistic views of physical interaction and atomic valences can be traced to the astronomical views of early societies--in that respect, we've not moved significantly beyond Egypt or the Druids.

So, wanna fuck?

You know that kind of talk gives me a chubby!

I tell you though - terms like "scientific faith" make me want to bring my rants against scientific fundamentalism back to the top. I know how YOU meant it - but putting those two words together scares me.

Book Burning and Worse in the Good Old USA -
http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90855&highlight=fundamentalism

Does The Universe Exist If We're Not Looking? - http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88714&highlight=fundamentalism

 

[RisiaSkye]

Re: Re: Re: A little quantum mechanics and the Zen commentary on Zoroastrianism

You know that kind of talk gives me a chubby!

I tell you though - terms like "scientific faith" make me want to bring my rants against scientific fundamentalism back to the top. I know how YOU meant it - but putting those two words together scares me.

Me too, hon. That was my point, in a way. Religious faith in science isn't often recognized as irrational faith, but it *is* that nonetheless.

 

[sexy-girl]

i want to be a string a very long string ... a super string

 

[Dillinger]

Re: Re: Re: Re: A little quantum mechanics and the Zen commentary on Zoroastrianism

Me too, hon. That was my point, in a way. Religious faith in science isn't often recognized as irrational faith, but it *is* that nonetheless.

You rock! Big time... *grin*

 

[Dillinger]

i want to be a string a very long string ... a super string

Personally I like me them thar crazy string!

 

[sexy-girl]

i could tell you were a super string kinda guy

that will be the theory for everything

 

[SilvaTungDevil]

you must grok the quark.

Nice! I wanna think in martian.

 

[REDWAVE]

Scientific fundamentalism?

I for one will defend science against the attacks of the neo-obscurantists (lol) like Dillinger. The only sound bases of human knowledge are empirical data and logic. Science is merely the application of logic to empirical data. Science is "true" because it can be verified by experience, and shown to work. Ethics and esthetics, on the other hand, are purely subjective, merely a matter of taste and preference. Saying murder is wrong, for instance, is merely saying that you don't like murder.

Anyone have a problem with that?

 

[Problem Child]

Re: Scientific fundamentalism?

Ethics and esthetics, on the other hand, are purely subjective, merely a matter of taste and preference. Saying murder is wrong, for instance, is merely saying that you don't like murder.

Anyone have a problem with that?

Lol...so it's no big deal for the corporation to suppress the working class, right? I mean, it's only an ethical question...

 

[islandman]

I'd venture to say that the oldest monotheist world view goes way beyond religion and is actually the quark. Its all about the up quark and the down quark and the this spin and that spin. True Zen is actually seeing the quark. True enlightenement is becoming the quark.

fick. I was studying to become a tachyon.

Damn you and Zoroaster!!

 

[HomerPindar]

Re: Scientific fundamentalism?

I for one will defend science against the attacks of the neo-obscurantists (lol) like Dillinger. The only sound bases of human knowledge are empirical data and logic. Science is merely the application of logic to empirical data. Science is "true" because it can be verified by experience, and shown to work. Ethics and esthetics, on the other hand, are purely subjective, merely a matter of taste and preference. Saying murder is wrong, for instance, is merely saying that you don't like murder.

Anyone have a problem with that?

Yes, I do...

but what's your point in asking if I have a problem, for if you don't believe in the value or existence of ethics then you have no emperical evidence in order to continue any sort of debate on the matter. whereas, those who do believe in ethics can show emperical evidence of it's existance affecting the world around them.

It's a catch-22 in a paperbag...


HomerPindar

 

[unclej]

ah, the lowly quark...but it is not the object, but faith in it that redeems us. for we have faith, and faith is something the faithless will never understand.

 

[curious2c]

When you all get to the parallell universes and theory I will pick up this thread again.

 

[REDWAVE]

HP

I'm not at all sure what you're saying there, Homie. I certainly didn't say that I don't believe in the value or existence of ethics. Notions of the "Good" and the "Beautiful" have played a big role in every human society. And I didn't say such ideas have no value. I just said they're subjective: they can't be proven to be true. On the other hand, scientific "laws," such as Newton's Laws of Motion, CAN be proven to be true, through experimentation. If you don't believe in the law of momentum, for instance, try jumping in front of a tractor-trailer moving at 70 mph.

 

[Dillinger]

When you all get to the parallell universes and theory I will pick up this thread again.

What about parallel chubbys?

 

[Dillinger]

Re: Re: Re: Re: A little quantum mechanics and the Zen commentary on Zoroastrianism

Me too, hon. That was my point, in a way. Religious faith in science isn't often recognized as irrational faith, but it *is* that nonetheless.

A(Fucking)men.

 

[patient1]

Yes, there are orthodox zealots in science, just as there are in religions. Nobody has cornered the market on seekers of the truth.

 

[Dillinger]

Wouldn't it be cool though if you could go to your corner market and purchase a bottle of truth?