A little help

[destinie21]

I'm currently working on a story involving a female assasian and I need to know what type of gun would have a sliencer and be worn in a shoulder holster. I tried gun websites but they got me nowhere. Those sites assume that you already know what you want.

 

[MathGirl]

I need to know what type of gun would have a sliencer and be worn in a shoulder holster.

Dear Dest,
It must definitely NOT be a revolver. They can't be silenced due to the gap between cylinder and barrel. Must be an autoloader.

Have the assassinette use a Walther PPK. It's a small automatic that fits a woman's hand. .380 caliber. It worked well for James Bond.
Ballistically,
M "Guns and Ammo" G

 

[destinie21]

Re: Re: A little help

Dear Dest,
It must definitely NOT be a revolver. They can't be silenced due to the gap between cylinder and barrel. Must be an autoloader.

Have the assassinette use a Walther PPK. It's a small automatic that fits a woman's hand. .380 caliber. It worked well for James Bond.
Ballistically,
M "Guns and Ammo" G

Thanks. If you ever have a chance do tell how you know so much.


pS: I know it was a minor detail but I hate when I read a story that contains incorrect facts.

 

[MathGirl]

My father and my man are both gun nuts. If you don't want to be left at home.................... Oh, my photogenic mammary helps, too.
MG

 

[ffreak]

I agree. One look at your photogenic mammaries would silence any would be assassin.

[color=990000](me on the other hand, I just keep babbling incoherently in their presence - which goes to show you how little money I would make as an assassin.)[/color]

Hey, you aren't packing, are you?

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

I'm currently working on a story involving a female assasian and I need to know what type of gun would have a sliencer and be worn in a shoulder holster. I tried gun websites but they got me nowhere. Those sites assume that you already know what you want.

Dest,

This may be stating the obvious to you, but if a handgun is going to be used to kill someone, the act will need to be "up-close and very personal". The Mafia/mob was usually portrayed "taking out" folks at close range. (think of the scene in The Godfather where MC knocks off the crooked cop--also the Lincoln assassination).

To me, the term assassin implies someone who prefers to "reach out and touch someone" long distance. (think "The Day of the Jackel" or the JFK assassination). Whatever the term, killing someone from a distance would require a rifle, not a handgun.

RF

 

[Jenny _S]

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Dear Dest,
It must definitely NOT be a revolver. They can't be silenced due to the gap between cylinder and barrel. Must be an autoloader.

That's correct. The space between the cylinder and the breach cannot be silenced. Therefore the gun would have to be an automatic. Two problems though.

The silencer has to screw onto the outside of the barrel which means you need an auto that has the end of the barrel extended beyond the slide cradle to give the gunsmith room to thread the outside of the barrel to mount the silencer. Also .38 caliber and larger tend to be noisy guns to begin with. Small caliber, say a .22, makes a lot less noise which means the silencer would be much more effective if silence is a must.

Either a .38 or .22 really have the same effective range - SHORT - say 50 feet or less. And don't forget to "double tap" (two hits to the "kill zone") the victim and aim for the triange made by the outside is each eye and the point of the nose. That is the target used by all SWAT teams.

Check your PM for more info including ammunition.

Next question?

 

[ffreak]

Right-o on the range. I have a Browning 380 from the last year they were making them in Belgium. It fits my hand like a glove and I can hit a target up to about 50 feet give or take a couple. Past that I can't seem to hit the broadside of a barn door.

note on silencers - pros use a special barrel and know how to break their gun down quickly. The 'original' barrel is shot the same day (to provide the same kind of traces found on the rest of the gun) at a shooting range (witnesses). The extended barrel is discarded (preferably where it can be melted - like with the same gunsmith who provided it) and replaced with the smaller, original barrel.

(mystery buff who has never assassinated anything other than a manuscript - no I don't know valachi, wouldn't recognize him if I saw him - the snake, well he's a different story)

 

[MathGirl]

Guns 'n Ammo

The PPK would be good for a silencer, because there's room for threads. In Jack Hawkins' novels, a Carswell Suppressor is the silencer of choice. I have no idea if they really exist.
An effective suppressor can be made by fitting a two liter plastic soda bottle to the muzzle of a rifle. In publications like "Shotgun News" such adapters can be obtained for a variety of weapons. A one inch hole is cut in the bottom of the bottle for exit of the projectile. This is not a very elegant arrangement, use of sights is obviously impossible, and it's not ideal for concealment.
Range? Fifty feet? No way. I had in mind something on the order of five feet. The muzzle-in-ear technique would be preferable. A cantelope would do nicely for target practice, and the remains would provide a tasty snack..
Ammunition. Ideally, a subsonic cartridge would be used. This avoids the sonic snap and is much quieter. This point would be rendered moot by using the muzzle-in-ear technique. The use of hollow point bullets is assumed, of course. I would prefer the .380 to the .22 for several reasons. One of which is a somewhat greater authority of the round in the immediate post assassination period when a difference of opinion with onlookers and/or authorities is a possibility.
M "Machine Gun:" G
Ps. When I was growing up, the magazines on our coffee table included The New England Journal of Medicine, American Rifleman, Lancet, and Shotgun News.

 

[Guest]

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[destinie21]

This is great
thanks guys.

 

[pop_54]

Hmmmmmm

Personally I prefer a 120mm howitzer, well I'm not a good shot and near enough has to be good enough, they are however a bastard to silence effectively But on the plus side, when one goes off every fucker dives for cover, so nobodies going to notice who fired it anyway

I do agree it has to be a small auto though, and that a .22 although quiet without a silencer hasn't the weight in the projectile to guarantee penetration of the skull every time unless pressed against the temple, or stuffed in the ear.

Poor Des so much info, which are you going to use then love?

Or are you considering stabbing the bugger now, it'll be simpler

 

[Guest]

Hey Pops! Just cos it's morning here, I'm still in bed and you're 'up' - give us a kiss (me and perdita).

Perdita

 

[pop_54]

Hi hun

Hey Pops! Just cos it's morning here, I'm still in bed and you're 'up' - give us a kiss (me and perdita).

Perdita

Open your legs then

 

[Guest]

Ahhhhhhhhh...

perdita

You're spoiling us, Pirateman. Don't stop.

Perdita

 

[Guest]

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[destinie21]

lol PS in any evemt the woman in my story uses guns but as they tend to cause a scence she also uses posion and good old insulin. Diabetic shock you know.

 

[MathGirl]

Diabetic shock you know.

Dear D21,
Hate to be picky, but don't make that mistake in your writing. LACK of insulin causes diabetic shock. Too much insulin causes insulin or hypoglycemic shock.
Disantipedantically,
MG