6 Party Platforms which is your vote for? Please vote.

Which party platform best cares for your interests?

  • Party 1

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Party 2

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Party 3

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Party 4

    Votes: 7 46.7%
  • Party 5

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Party 6

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    15

Todd-'o'-Vision

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Party 1

I believe that the proper function of government is to do for the people those things that have to be done but cannot be done, or cannot be done as well by individuals, and that the most effective government is government closest to the people.

I believe that good government is based on the individual and that each person's ability, dignity, freedom and responsibility must be honored and recognized.

I believe that free enterprise and the encouragement of individual initiative and incentive have given this nation an economic system second to none.

I believe that sound money policy should be our goal.

I believe in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin. I believe that persons with disabilities should be afforded equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity as well.

I believe we must retain those principles worth retaining, yet always be receptive to new ideas with an outlook broad enough to accommodate thoughtful change and varying points of view.

I believe that Americans value and should preserve their feeling of national strength and pride, and at the same time share with people everywhere a desire for peace and freedom and the extension of human rights throughout the world.


Party 2

a society where the elderly and the disabled can lead lives of dignity and where Social Security remains an unshakable commitment;

a society where all people can find jobs in a growing full-employment economy;

a society where all workers are guaranteed without question the legal right to join unions of their own choosing and to bargain collectively for decent wages and conditions of employment;

a society where taxes are clearly based on ability to pay;

a society where the equal rights of women are guaranteed in the Constitution;

a society where the civil rights of minorities are fully secured and where no one is denied the opportunity for a better life;

a society where both public and private discrimination based upon race, sex, age, color, creed, national origin, religion, ethnic identity, sexual orientation, economic status, philosophical persuasion or physical disability are condemned and where our government moves aggressively to end such discrimination through lawful means;

a society where we recognize that the strengthening of the family and the protection of children are essential to the health of the nation;

a society where a sound education, proper nutrition, quality medical care, affordable housing, safe streets and a healthy environment are possible for every citizen;

a society where the livelihoods of our family farmers are as stable as the values they instill in the American character;

a society where a strong national defense is a common effort, where promoting human rights is a basic value of our foreign policy, and where we ensure that future by ending the nuclear arms race.

This is our purpose and our promise.

Party 3

Substantially reduce the size and intrusiveness of government and cut all taxes.

Let peaceful, honest people offer their goods and services to willing consumers without a hassle from government.

Let peaceful, honest people decide for themselves what to eat, drink, read, or smoke and how to dress, medicate themselves, or make love, without fear of criminal penalties.

The U.S. government should defend Americans and their property in America and let the U.S. taxpayer off the hook for the defense bill of wealthy countries like Germany and Japan.

Party 4

An Economic Bill of Rights

Universal Social Security
Social Dividends:
Universal Health Care:
Free Child Care:
Lifelong Public Education:
Affordable Housing:

Grassroots Democracy
Community Assemblies:
A Proportional, Single-Chamber US Congress
Environmental Home Rule:
Average Workers' Pay for Elected Officials:
DC Statehood:

Fair Elections

Proportional Representation:
Preference Voting:
Public Campaign and Party Financing: .
Eliminate Mandatory Primaries:

Ecological Conversion

Ecological Production:
Renewable Energy:
Biotechnology-No Patents on Life; No Transgenic Organisms:
Environmental Defense and Restoration:
Environmental Justice:
A Just Transition:

Sustainable Agriculture

Fair Farm Price Supports:
Subsidize Transition to Organic Agriculture:
Support Small Farmers:
Break Up Corporate Agribusiness: Create

Economic Democracy
Eliminate Corporate Personhood:
Periodic Review of Corporate Charters:
Strengthen Anti-Trust Enforcement:
Democratic Production:
Workplace Democracy:
Worker Control of Worker Assets-Pension Funds and ESOP Shares:
Democratic Conversion of Big Business:
Democratic Conversion of Small and Medium Business:
Democratic Banking:
Democratize Monetary Policy and the Federal Reserve System:

Progressive and Ecological Taxes

Ecological Taxes:
Simple, Progressive Income Taxes:
Eliminate Regressive Payroll Taxes:
Guaranteed Adequate Income:
Maximum Income: Build into the progressive income tax a 100% tax on all income over ten times the minimum wage.
End Corporate Welfare:
Progressively Graduated Corporate Revenue and Asset Taxes
Wealth Tax
Inheritance Tax:
Stock and Bond Transfer Tax:
Encourage a shift from speculative to productive investments
Currency Speculation Tax:
Advertising Tax:
Federal Revenue Sharing:
Ecological and Feminist Economic Accounting:

Human Rights and Social Justice

End Institutionalized Racism, Sexism, and Oppression of People with Disabilities:
Indian Treaty Rights:
Immigrant Rights:
Comparable Worth:
End Discrimination Against Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgendered People:
Same-Sex Marriage:

Criminal and Civil Justice Reforms

Abolish the Death Penalty:
Prosecute Police Brutality-The Jonny Gammage Law:
Restorative Justice:
Legal Aid:
Oppose Tort Reform that Limits Class Action Lawsuits and Caps Victims' Compensation:
Civil Liberties:
End the "War on Drugs:"

Labor Law Reforms

…Repeal Repressive Labor Laws:
A Workers' Bill of Rights:

Revitalize Public Education

Equalize School Funding with Federal Revenue Sharing:
Decentralized Administration:
Class Size Reduction:
Preschool Programs:
After School Programs:
Children's Health:
Improve Teacher Training and Pay:
Multicultural Teaching Staffs:
Tuition-Free Higher Education:
Oppose the Privatization of Public Schools:
No School Vouchers:
No For-Profit or Religious Charter Schools:
No Commercialization:
No High-Stakes Testing:
Curriculum for a Multicultural Participatory Democracy:
Support Bilingual Education:


Free, Diverse and Uncensored Media

Infodiversity:
Support Nonprofit and Noncommercial Media:
Real Public Broadcasting:
Regulate Public Airwaves in the Public Interest:
Antitrust Actions to Break Up Media Conglomerates:

A Global Green Deal:
Peace Conversion:
Peace Dividend:
Unilateral Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Disarmament:
Cooperative Security: .
Democratize the United Nations:
A Pro-Democracy Foreign Policy:
End Global Financial Exploitation:
Fair Trade:

Party 5

• That each individual is endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are the rights to Life, Liberty, Property and the Pursuit of the individual’s personal interest;

• That the freedom to own, use, exchange, control, protect, and freely dispose of Property is a natural, necessary and inseparable extension of the individual’s unalienable rights;

• That the legitimate function of government is to secure these rights through the preservation of domestic tranquility, the maintenance of a strong national defense, and the promotion of equal justice for all;

• That history makes clear that left unchecked, it is the nature of government to usurp the liberty of its citizens and eventually become a major violator of the people’s rights; and

• That, therefore, it is essential to bind government with the chains of the Constitution and carefully divide and jealously limit government powers to those assigned by the consent of the governed.
 
I voted for 5, although party 1 sounded okay. There is no party 6 - just keeping us on our toes Todd??? :eek:
 
Shy Tall Guy said:
I voted for 5, although party 1 sounded okay. There is no party 6 - just keeping us on our toes Todd??? :eek:

I believe that would be our National Apathy Party or "Other" option.
 
Party 6

I believe that the proper function of government is to do for the people those things that have to be done but cannot be done, or cannot be done as well by individuals, and that the most effective government is government closest to the people.

I believe in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin. I believe that persons with disabilities should be afforded equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity as well.

Substantially reduce the size and intrusiveness of government and cut all taxes.

Let peaceful, honest people offer their goods and services to willing consumers without a hassle from government.

Let peaceful, honest people decide for themselves what to eat, drink, read, or smoke and how to dress, medicate themselves, or make love, without fear of criminal penalties.

The U.S. government should defend Americans and their property in America and let the U.S. taxpayer off the hook for the defense bill of wealthy countries like Germany and Japan.

• That each individual is endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are the rights to Life, Liberty, Property and the Pursuit of the individual’s personal interest;

• That the freedom to own, use, exchange, control, protect, and freely dispose of Property is a natural, necessary and inseparable extension of the individual’s unalienable rights;

• That the legitimate function of government is to secure these rights through the preservation of domestic tranquility, the maintenance of a strong national defense, and the promotion of equal justice for all;

• That history makes clear that left unchecked, it is the nature of government to usurp the liberty of its citizens and eventually become a major violator of the people’s rights; and

• That, therefore, it is essential to bind government with the chains of the Constitution and carefully divide and jealously limit government powers to those assigned by the consent of the governed.
 
Looks like you added enough extreme shit to Party Platform 4 to make it palatable to only...um...extremists.

Deliberately fudging a poll makes it meaningless (though very quotable to those inclined towards such deception).
 
I got ballot fatigue 1/3 of the way through and just voted for the first one ;)
 
sigh said:
Looks like you added enough extreme shit to Party Platform 4 to make it palatable to only...um...extremists.

Deliberately fudging a poll makes it meaningless (though very quotable to those inclined towards such deception).

ACtually all these were copy and pasted directly from thier parties sites.

in a while I will post what parties belong to what platforms.

Please if you know or recognize a platfor do not post it please.
 
Todd-'o'-Vision said:


Bingo, thank you SillyMan

Hey, I'm just here to help. So who am I voting for? I agreed with the "extremist" 4th party.
 
I liked large parts of 1 and 2 with a few small sections from 4.
 
Todd-'o'-Vision said:


ACtually all these were copy and pasted directly from thier parties sites.

in a while I will post what parties belong to what platforms.

Please if you know or recognize a platfor do not post it please.

My apologies, Todd.
 
sigh said:


My apologies, Todd.

Its quite alright sigh

when I reveal who is whom I will post direct links

I actually did lie to you though about party number 4, i did add the bold, underline and italization to the one point that really shocked me.
 
Todd-'o'-Vision said:

I actually did lie to you though about party number 4, i did add the bold, underline and italization to the one point that really shocked me.

I figured you did. It would shock a hell of a lot of people.
 
Sillyman said:


I figured you did. It would shock a hell of a lot of people.

as I was busing through the platform at a semi speed read level, my fingure droze as it hit that one. and my jaw dropped.
 
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Shy Tall Guy said:
Party 6

I believe that the proper function of government is to do for the people those things that have to be done but cannot be done, or cannot be done as well by individuals, and that the most effective government is government closest to the people.

ISubstantially reduce the size and intrusiveness of government and cut all taxes.

.

I know you mean well, STG, but the only way for the government to "do for other people" is through taxation, or taking it from one person and giving it to another, thereby increasing the intrusiveness of government.

Now, before anyone says "raise corporate taxes" or "end corporate welfare,"please stop and think for a minute. Companies dont pay corporate taxes. Consumers do. Always have and always will.
 
Tossup between 1 and 5.

It doesn't help that I know offhand what parties those platforms are for.

Party 4's list made me want to retch.

TB4p
 
3.... simple platform for a simple mind.

edit: Just for the record. I do vote, but am not a registered member of any political party. And there were some attractive and not so attractive elements in each choice. But on a quick surface reading 3 has the most appeal to me.
 
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miles said:
I know you mean well, STG, but the only way for the government to "do for other people" is through taxation, or taking it from one person and giving it to another, thereby increasing the intrusiveness of government.

No, that is not the "only" way - although it can be interpreted that way. What is usually meant by government's proper purpose tasks being those tasks that individuals don't do well for themselves, and government does better, are such things as national defense, law enforcement, roads, etc.

This does not include social programs where money is taken from a group of people and given semi-directly to another group of people. People have traditionally formed groups for mutal protection from other groups or more powerful individuals before we were able to walk upright. Living in groups also requires that individuals obey certain rules and that the group enforce those rules. Hence we have evolved government for the purpose of mutual defense and law enforcement. We get a multiplier of force that works quite well.

On the other hand, when you intrude on people's personal lives by mandating behaviors that have cause little or no harm to other individuals, then you are going beyond the proper aegis of government. That is where the dividing line lays - you step over the line from proper function of government to government instrusion when you tell people they are going to be punsihed for not wearing seat belts, for not wearing helmets, for smoking, for taking "illicit" drugs, for having a sexual relationship with somebody of the same gender, for having anal sex, for voicing opinions not deemed to be politically correct. You also step over the line when you force one person to be financially responsible for a stranger's misfortune when that person had no hand in the cause of the stranger's misfortune.

That is the difference between individualism and collectivism - not taxation, but rather how the tax revenues are used.
 
#4

I see party #4 so far is running away with it. A big embarrassment for you, Todd.

My only problem with party #4's program is it doesn't go far enough. But it's a good start.
 
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Shy Tall Guy said:
On the other hand, when you intrude on people's personal lives by mandating behaviors that have cause little or no harm to other individuals, then you are going beyond the proper aegis of government. That is where the dividing line lays - you step over the line from proper function of government to government instrusion when you tell people they are going to be punsihed for not wearing seat belts, for not wearing helmets, for smoking, for taking "illicit" drugs, for having a sexual relationship with somebody of the same gender, for having anal sex, for voicing opinions not deemed to be politically correct . . .
I agree with you here, for the most part. But one small matter: if it's the government who will be responsible for cleaning up auto accidents, can't they mandate that you have to wear seatbelts or helmets, just so they don't have to wipe your splattered brains off the road?

Just a thought.

I personally don't wear seatbelts, but I'm willing to run the risk of being ticketed for it.

TB4p
 
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REDWAVE said:
I see party #4 so far is running away with it. A big embarrassment for you, Todd.
And they've had such vocal support displayed here. The raucous enthusiasm is nearly enough to knock me over. *yawn*


REDWAVE said:
My only problem with party #4's program is it doesn't go far enough. But it's a good start.
What the hell else can you add?

TB4p
 
You had my hopes up then Todd.............I thought you were planning a themed forum party for a second..............your other parties were interesting but realistically how often are so many promises met? It is all so long winded - do these parties not realise that they are vying for the attention of normal people?
 
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teddybear4play said:
I agree with you here, for the most part. But one small matter: if it's the government who will be responsible for cleaning up auto accidents, can't they mandate that you have to wear seatbelts or helmets, just so they don't have to wipe your splattered brains off the road?
THANK YOU!

I was just waiting for someone to bring that up!

So now for the rant:

Don't you see that when the government claims responsibility for something what they are really doing is a grab for power? The argument goes like this:

1) Government and society is responsible for everyone in that society. It is everyone's right to have health care, and if they can't pay for it, then well we all have to chip in and pay for it - after all, it is a right - right?

2) Now since government and society pay for your health care, if you do something stupid, like ride without a helmet, or drive without a seatbelt, or smoke, and you get in a crash and have an inury, or you get sick from smoking, then that is a burden on society. After all, if you incur a cost on somebody else, then don't they have the right to say that you should minimize that cost by minimizing the risk?

3) So, this gives the government the right to create laws that control your behavior, when such behavior would not otherwise affect other people, except that it does now affect other people because now they are "responsible" for your care if that behavior causes you to be in need.

In short, this is circular reasoning which takes responsiblity away from the individual for their own stupidity, and puts the shared responsiblity on everybody else in general. This allows the government to increase its power more and more. Are you a mountain climber? Sorry, you can only mountain climb if you get a permit and/or take a guide with you - if you fall and get hurt, then it is our responsiblity to come rescue you, and that costs money (and sometimes lives).

Are you a smoker? Well then we are responsible for your health care, so we can sue the manufacturers of cigarettes for those health care costs.

Are you a recreational drug user? Well we are responsible for your rehabilitation. We are also responsible for interdicting the smuggling of drugs to you. We are responsible for putting you in prison - prison being preferrable to having you on the streets using recreational drugs.

Are you a homosexual? Well we are responsible for the sanctity of the marital institution and the nuclear family, these things being good for society in general, and we can't allow you to marry your homosexual lover.

Our new role as protectors of society in general allows, nay, mandates that we control all aspects of your life, from your being able to view porn on the internet, to what songs you can listen to, to who you can have a sexual relationship with, to what religions are valid (for tax purposes).

Aren't you happy that you have been relieved of all that personal responsibility and everyone is helping you with your life burden? :D
 
Whenever I hear a political debate Edwina's voice pops into my mind – I hear her ranting about only taxing the stupid people.
 
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