2004 Survivor Literotica: Planning & Plotting

[Svenskaflicka]

I have two choices here:
1) Permit contestants to help out other contestants.
2) Permit outside help in these categories only from those who are not participating in the contest.

I'm leaning toward the second one if for no other reason than to keep a stampede of "help me out!" PMs to our bilingual friends.

Just to make sure... has there been any permanent decision on this?

 

[KillerMuffin]

No, that hasn't been decided yet, Svenska. Though it does have to be decided soon, I think, so no one wastes any time on something. The copyright thing is written in stone, though.

Those are the only two things for now, though.

 

[damppanties]

Does it matter who helps out? If they are releasing copyright for the material, contestants who help out will not be able to put it on their memberpage and score sheets anyway. Or there could be a rule to that effect.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Actually, it kind of does. Last time it happened, there were several who wanted points for it.

However, if people like you, Lauren, and Svenskaflicka don't mind, who'm I to complain? Moderator participation is now verboten. At least I think that's what verboten means. It's terribly early and my brain is malfunctioning. Dammit. I misplaced my warranty paperwork, too. I don't think they'll give me a loaner while it's in the shop.

 

[damppanties]

Please! We absolutely CAN'T have your brain malfunctioning. I think I'm going to roll into a confused foetal position if you do this to me.

What I understood from the above post -

--It's okay to have participants help out with non-english, audio and illustrated categories but they will appear only on the memberpage of the person who submits it and only that person will get points for it.

--Someone else can help too.

Let's say I did not try to understand the last paragraph. My brain cannot take it. I do not want to know what verboten means. I'll try to educate myself next year. This is Survivor year.

If I sound weird above, I'm trying to write a non-human story and am in the middle of sex.

 

[niyah2]

UMMMMM

Muffin,

Couple things are confusing me.

1. I realize immunities are for things like if i am not biligual and can't write that or etc. but i think that if i write the story and have it translated through a program its STILL MY writing. So honestly who cares if it was translated with help??? As long as the help doesn't WRITE the story.

2. The Chain Story..............It takes three or so Authors.........how is this accomplished???? Are they Ones in the contest? Do we submit other peoples work under our name for the contest? i am unsure on this one and do not wish to be disqualified for "cheating' or breaking a rule.

3. Alot of people do not have the equipment to do the audio or the illustrated. Again Ones will cry ...thats what immunities are for. Well god forbid that Everyone that has the immunities also have the equipment to do the categories that those of us that didnt' win immunities don't. Once more i say what does it matter WhO records it if its MY original work??

Guess i am to new to say to much but they are not complaints just to me legitimate things to ask and think about. i do need an answer on the chain story though or i am stuck.

Heck i can't even put color in my messages much less tape a story on here LOLOLOL

Thanks
niyah
My Stories

 

[damppanties]

Re: UMMMMM

Muffin,

Couple things are confusing me.

1. I realize immunities are for things like if i am not biligual and can't write that or etc. but i think that if i write the story and have it translated through a program its STILL MY writing. So honestly who cares if it was translated with help??? As long as the help doesn't WRITE the story.

2. The Chain Story..............It takes three or so Authors.........how is this accomplished???? Are they Ones in the contest? Do we submit other peoples work under our name for the contest? i am unsure on this one and do not wish to be disqualified for "cheating' or breaking a rule.

3. Alot of people do not have the equipment to do the audio or the illustrated. Again Ones will cry ...thats what immunities are for. Well god forbid that Everyone that has the immunities also have the equipment to do the categories that those of us that didnt' win immunities don't. Once more i say what does it matter WhO records it if its MY original work??

Guess i am to new to say to much but they are not complaints just to me legitimate things to ask and think about. i do need an answer on the chain story though or i am stuck.

Heck i can't even put color in my messages much less tape a story on here LOLOLOL

Thanks
niyah
My Stories

niyah,

You can have help from someone with the non-English, audio and illustrated categories, BUT the person who is helping you is supposed to relaease his/her copyright over the material AND you have to talk it over with KM on whether it is acceptable before posting it.

About the Chain stories... you can read about the what and how in the Literotica FAQs here. After you've read that, there are two ongoing Chain Stories in the Author's Hangout currently, you can join those if you want.

Good luck with the contest.

 

[niyah2]

Thanks!!

Thank you dampy,

i sent you a PM to clear up any other question i had on the chain. Appreciate your prompt answer here onthe board.

niyah2

 

[Lauren Hynde]

1) Permit contestants to help out other contestants.
2) Permit outside help in these categories only from those who are not participating in the contest.

There is a problem with a system that only allows outside help. What if I decide not to participate, start helping out people with their translations, and then, in 29th December 2004, I change my mind and enter the contest? If only non-contestants could be permitted to help, what would happen to the stories I had translated before I was a contestant? Whatever may be the answer to that it will be unjust to someone.

In my opinion, outside help should be allowed regardless of where it comes from (copyright issues permitting), but translation is a morose task, however fluent anyone is in both languages, and it's time that could be used to write original work instead. Keeping that in mind, I think it's fair that if a contestant helps another one translating a story, he/she should have some sort of compensation. I don't think that 1 (or even 1.5) point(s) per translation would be too much.

I'm not saying this from the fragile position of a bi-lingual potential contestant. Regardless of the ruling, I will do my best to help out anyone who asks. (Anything to keep people like Penance from brutally assassinating my mother tongue ever again)


Niyah-
If you ever find a translation program that actually works, let us all know.


edited to add:
Even in a perfect world where translation programs would translate anything correctly, there would be a copyright infringement issue, wouldn't it?

Freetranslation.com, for example, says 'This Site is for your personal and commercial use. However, you may not commercially distribute, copy, license or sell any information or materials obtained from the Site.'

I'm not sure how relevant this is, but seeing this is a contest with cash prizes, there is a chance we may be stepping out of bounds if we use it...

 

[sweetnpetite]

I can't help thinking that some of the categories such as audio or illustrated, benefit those members who have certain types of equipment and expertise in using the equipment, rather than writing ability and versatility.

Some possible new categories: Loving Husband as well as Loving Wife. Bondage as one category and S & M as another. These two don't have all that much in common. Domination/submission (one category). Historical Erotica, a story set in another time period, with historical references. Why have non-erotic stories and poems?

I sort of agree with the first point here. The official answer will probably be 'that's what immunities are for' or something like that. I'm not too uptight about it, though. I'll just save those categories for last and see if I ever get through to them. Its a lot harder to fill every category than you might think, and most contestants don't. I'm guessing that Master V did last year, but I wonder how many others did.

As for categories, I can't really figure out why we don't have an Oral category. I think that's the most glaring ommision I have some story ideas for oral that don't quite fit into erotic couplings. Besides, i think an oral category would get a lot of traffic. This would be for stories that focus on oral, not stories that just happen to contain it. I can already see posters scrambling to ask, how much oral should it have to go into the oral category, ect, ect. But I still think we should have it. (I can just see the first story under that heading, "I did not have sex with that woman..." lol.)

 

[sweetnpetite]

I agree with this point and think the rule should just be simple and enforcable. You *may* recieve help from whomever you can get help from in whatever degree you need, so long as you write the story. As for translaters who want points- if the rule says they get no points then they shouldnt' do the translating if they arent happy about not getting points. You always have the choice over weather or not you want to help and if its worth it to you to spend the time on it. JMO.


***Edited to add, by simple I mean you can or you can't as opposed to you can but, or you can't unless. simple is better

There is a problem with a system that only allows outside help. What if I decide not to participate, start helping out people with their translations, and then, in 29th December 2004, I change my mind and enter the contest? If only non-contestants could be permitted to help, what would happen to the stories I had translated before I was a contestant? Whatever may be the answer to that it will be unjust to someone.

In my opinion, outside help should be allowed regardless of where it comes from (copyright issues permitting), but translation is a morose task, however fluent anyone is in both languages, and it's time that could be used to write original work instead. Keeping that in mind, I think it's fair that if a contestant helps another one translating a story, he/she should have some sort of compensation. I don't think that 1 (or even 1.5) point(s) per translation would be too much.

I'm not saying this from the fragile position of a bi-lingual potential contestant. Regardless of the ruling, I will do my best to help out anyone who asks. (Anything to keep people like Penance from brutally assassinating my mother tongue ever again)


Niyah-
If you ever find a translation program that actually works, let us all know.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I sort of agree with the first point here. The official answer will probably be 'that's what immunities are for' or something like that. I'm not too uptight about it, though. I'll just save those categories for last and see if I ever get through to them. Its a lot harder to fill every category than you might think, and most contestants don't. I'm guessing that Master V did last year, but I wonder how many others did.

As for categories, I can't really figure out why we don't have an Oral category. I think that's the most glaring ommision I have some story ideas for oral that don't quite fit into erotic couplings. Besides, i think an oral category would get a lot of traffic. This would be for stories that focus on oral, not stories that just happen to contain it. I can already see posters scrambling to ask, how much oral should it have to go into the oral category, ect, ect. But I still think we should have it. (I can just see the first story under that heading, "I did not have sex with that woman..." lol.)

Hi, S & P
I think the first part of your post is a lost case. I might be able to do an audio story and I might be able to do some illustrated stories. If it's worthwhile, I can hire a model and go from there. I think my computer is set up to do the audio but I will have to learn how. Even the non-English is possible if I can get my wife, who is bilingual, to translate a story for me. I don't think she would be willing, though. I think all these things for me are more don't want to than can't. At least I will use one immunity for the non-English

As for an Oral category, that is so commonplace that it probably doesn't merit a category by itself. Maybe stories where the sex is limited to heterosexual oral only. I have written a couple of stories like that. I still think that :Loving Wife" should be changed to "Loving Spouse", if for no other reason, just to be PC. I also think that "Bondage" and S & M" are enough different that each should have a category. I have written a few stories including bondage and a few including spanking but I have never combined them.

Both MV and Flicka covered all the categories last year. I wasn't even close. I don't know about PenanceS.

 

[Guest]

Boxlicker,

Check here and see if you have this: on your computer click start menu>programs>accessories>entertainment>soundrecorder.


The sound recorder should be all you need to record your story. A little box will come up that has buttons similar to that of a cassette player. Push the record button and record your story over the microphone. When you have finished recording, you can click the play button to hear it. If you are satisfied with how it sounds, then click file and save as and save it as a wav or mp3 (I believe those are the two file types accepted). Then check the FAQ for how to submit it.

Hope that helps!

CM

 

[deliciously_naughty]

Reposting a Q...

For the audio poetry/story categories...can you record a story already up on lit (but put up before this year?) Can it exist in both forms? Or does it have to exists merely as a celebs story OR an audio story?

Ok, second question, but rather similar...can I translate one of my existing stories written previous to 04 and submit it as a non-english story?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Boxlicker,

Check here and see if you have this: on your computer click start menu>programs>accessories>entertainment>soundrecorder.


The sound recorder should be all you need to record your story. A little box will come up that has buttons similar to that of a cassette player. Push the record button and record your story over the microphone. When you have finished recording, you can click the play button to hear it. If you are satisfied with how it sounds, then click file and save as and save it as a wav or mp3 (I believe those are the two file types accepted). Then check the FAQ for how to submit it.

Hope that helps!

CM

Thanks, CM. I will try it but not until I have more privacy.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Lauren, that makes perfect sense. So for the time being the only stipulation will be release of copyright. We're in the process of drafting some sort of "official" looking notice about this, hence the whole PMing thing.

No. You can't actually do an audio/illustrated story you have posted on the site already because you have to post the duplicate in the audio/illustrated categories and Lit frowns on having two sets of the same story in the same language. By extention, you can't do the same thing with non-english. Just makes the rules easier. I'll be amending the rules to reflect this pretty soon. Thanks!

You could feasibly take the story down and redo it as something, but that sort of defeats the purpose of the contest and it's pretty much an unwritten sort of rule that you don't remove and put up the same story so it keeps getting on the new page. Bad form.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You could feasibly take the story down and redo it as something, but that sort of defeats the purpose of the contest and it's pretty much an unwritten sort of rule that you don't remove and put up the same story so it keeps getting on the new page. Bad form.

This has nothing to do with the survivor contest but I am in the process of doing some editing on stories already posted. In some instances, I am changing the description and once I changed a story from E/C to Anal, where I thought it fit better. Is this sort of thing frowned on? I think I am improving the stories but it is not something I have to do.

 

[Master_Vassago]

As far as I know and this is completely off subject, I am the only one that didn't use an immunity last year to fill in any category. PenanceS might have I'm unsure about that.

Now I asked via pm but didn't get an answer so I'll ask here. It may have just been overlooked on my or KM's part. It is said that stories submitted after I believe 1/2/04 would be eligible to enter the contest. Now I had stories that posted that date and after but were counted towards last years Survivor contest, are they also eligible for this one. According to that they would be. As I said I may have overlooked the answer for this but I would like a little clarification. Thanks, MV

 

[Boxlicker101]

As far as I know and this is completely off subject, I am the only one that didn't use an immunity last year to fill in any category. PenanceS might have I'm unsure about that.

Now I asked via pm but didn't get an answer so I'll ask here. It may have just been overlooked on my or KM's part. It is said that stories submitted after I believe 1/2/04 would be eligible to enter the contest. Now I had stories that posted that date and after but were counted towards last years Survivor contest, are they also eligible for this one. According to that they would be. As I said I may have overlooked the answer for this but I would like a little clarification. Thanks, MV

Hi, MV.
I asked the same thing early in the regulations thread, and got a pm saying no, you can't post a story in two different contests. That stands to reason. I will see if I can track down the pm.

Here it is. It was dated 1-7-2004:

Welcome to Survivor!
Welcome to the 2004 Survivor Literotica Contest!

Your Scorecard thread has been created and you can begin filling it out as soon as you like.

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=220007

The next immunity you can participate in begins on 1/13/2003.

No stories that have been in the 2003 contest are eligible for the 2004 contest.

If you have any questions, please, feel free to ask.

Best of luck!

Muffin

I don't think this was sent only to me so you may have gotten one also.

 

[deliciously_naughty]

Thanks KM...I figured as much, but wanted to confirm that

DN