“Orchestra Wives” & Baby Boomers & More…

[amicus]

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800155483/info

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047030/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047873/


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This is political and controversial and ‘in your face’, in a way, I suppose, as I have tried ‘kinder and gentler’ and discovered you just ignore any attempts at amelioration.

I want to demonstrate in an irrefutable manner what is about to happen in future history.

“Baby Boomers”, millions of them, were born and grew up following world war two, immersed in the culture illustrated by the three films I linked you to above.

Most of you have probably not seen the films I referenced; but you should.

All of them are ‘corny’, moralistic, naïve and self serving and the best thing about any of them is the music, perhaps, and in some, the performances of the actors and actresses.

But what they do, in general, and as a whole, is paint a picture, if you will, of American Culture, (thought to be non existent), in a manner not often considered.

For those few who may have seen the films and understand the period…you may see my point of view…for those of you who have not, there is no way to explain this unless you do.

I am often accused of being irrational in my posts; think instead, perhaps, I have lived longer and experienced more than you and know more than you and may, after all, have something to offer.

The ‘Greatest Generation’, as it is called, was/were those who lived and fought through the 30’s and 40’s and World War Two, and the aftermath into the cold war. Their children are now in their 60’s; the ‘Baby Boomers’, fathered by the men who survived the war and returned and sought solace.

Those films display the music, as important to them as it is to you, and the ethics and morality, as it is not to you, that engendered a generation.

As a generation ages, as this one has, they begin to consider the real values of society and civilization as they face their mortality.

I am not quite certain how ‘they’ judge a ‘generation’, but an approximation would be those born between 1946 and 1955, would be classified as, ‘baby boomers’.

Perhaps you are one.

If so, then you are the progeny of the ‘greatest generation’, and it would behoove you to discover just why they were, and why.

Amicus…

 

[cloudy]

I am often accused of being irrational in my posts; think instead, perhaps, I have lived longer and experienced more than you and know more than you and may, after all, have something to offer.

Ami, living longer does not necessarily equal "knowing more," just so you know.

I believe you probaby have something to offer. Just what it is, I'm not quite sure, but I'm not as quick to discount absolutely everything you say as you seem to think. Nor, I believe, is everyone else.

If you would stop dismissing all women as wanting a caretaker, and stop equating having a penis with being superior, maybe more would be willing to engage in discussion with you. Maybe not, I have no idea. It is difficult, at best, to have a rational discussion with someone who believes that an accident of birth has made him superior to over one half of the world's population - and that's just the gender thing. I'm not even going to address your feelings about race superiority.

I think you are probably quite intelligent, if misguided. Do I think you are more intelligent than I am, or others on this board? Absolutely not.

I'm considered a baby boomer, although my birth year falls a little outside of that range you posted. I have nothing but respect for most of those of my mother and father's generation, even though they, too, were a bit misguided sometimes. They were a product of their times.

When you are willing to acknowledge that simply being a white man isn't a reason to crow your "superiority" to the world, I'll be glad to discuss anything with you. Until then - I can't see that we truly have anything to discuss.

 

[Guest]

No comment, ami. Really.

I believe cant said it best about you - his quote is in my sig.

Peace.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

And my grandparents thought that my parents were wild and crazy and they made it through the great depression and WWI.

Each generation thinks that the next is not living up to the moral expectation of theirs.

And so it goes on and on, ad infinitum.

 

[CharleyH]

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800155483/info

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047030/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047873/


~~~~~~~~~

This is political and controversial and ‘in your face’, in a way, I suppose, as I have tried ‘kinder and gentler’ and discovered you just ignore any attempts at amelioration.

I want to demonstrate in an irrefutable manner what is about to happen in future history.

“Baby Boomers”, millions of them, were born and grew up following world war two, immersed in the culture illustrated by the three films I linked you to above.

Most of you have probably not seen the films I referenced; but you should.

All of them are ‘corny’, moralistic, naïve and self serving and the best thing about any of them is the music, perhaps, and in some, the performances of the actors and actresses.

But what they do, in general, and as a whole, is paint a picture, if you will, of American Culture, (thought to be non existent), in a manner not often considered.

For those few who may have seen the films and understand the period…you may see my point of view…for those of you who have not, there is no way to explain this unless you do.

I am often accused of being irrational in my posts; think instead, perhaps, I have lived longer and experienced more than you and know more than you and may, after all, have something to offer.

The ‘Greatest Generation’, as it is called, was/were those who lived and fought through the 30’s and 40’s and World War Two, and the aftermath into the cold war. Their children are now in their 60’s; the ‘Baby Boomers’, fathered by the men who survived the war and returned and sought solace.

Those films display the music, as important to them as it is to you, and the ethics and morality, as it is not to you, that engendered a generation.

As a generation ages, as this one has, they begin to consider the real values of society and civilization as they face their mortality.

I am not quite certain how ‘they’ judge a ‘generation’, but an approximation would be those born between 1946 and 1955, would be classified as, ‘baby boomers’.

Perhaps you are one.

If so, then you are the progeny of the ‘greatest generation’, and it would behoove you to discover just why they were, and why.

Amicus…

I don't always agree with you, Ami and I do not ever expect to always agree with you and that's probably why I get along with you and you with me. I am sure it took time and patience on both sides, though and I am certain more people make fun of my being irrational, (LOL - understatement) but that's okay, I do not expect anything and that's how I play it at times.

I understand why you chose the films you did to typify a particular generation and one that you associate with. My Grandparents are from your generation and are very hard minded. Still, they do have much to offer, even when I think them wrong. Admittedly, I can't change my gran's opinion that ALL girls with short hair are dykes, nor can I tell my grandfather that his favourite news anchor didn't get the story right nor my step-gran's opinion that you don't go to heaven unless you believe in God. Such is any generation gap and I AM CERTAIN that one day we will all be as hard nosed as them. However, they do have good reasons for thinking these things (generational reasons, but reasons nonetheless).

(excuse me - getting distracted and can't recall my point).

As for films painting a picture of culture ... on this I agree. For my age group I think "Desperately Seeking Susan", "Heathers", and "Thelma and Louise" typify what I refer to as the Pepsi Generation. I was a little late for Gen X, but on the cusp. Others may not agree with me, although I am interested in hearing about three movies that typify anyone's generation (that would be cool).

As for "American Culture", I think there is a strong presence and definition of it, although I do believe you are being sarcastic in saying it is thought to be non-existent. lol

Again, sorry, distracted.

Cheers bela,

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

The term "Baby Boomers" is usually applied to individual born between 1946 and 1964. During that stretch, at least one million kids were born every year. Therefore "boomers" now range in age from early '60's to early '40's.

The term "Greatest Generation" comes from the title of a book by former NBC anchor, Tom Brokaw. As a marketing tool, it's perfect. As a piece of objective, historical analysis, it misses the mark.

At best, the GG rates no better than a tie for second with the post-Civil War generation. And both of them trail the Revolutionary War generation, big time.

Still, being tied for second ain't chopped liver and it's a lot higher than we Boomers will every reach.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[amicus]

Thank you Charlie, we keep meeting like this and people will talk.

I like you too and the way you think and write and of course do not fully agree on many things.

I ponder a great many things from time to time, your post percolated another thought in my pointy little head.

Such great progress has been made by mankind, basically since either the Renaissance or the Industrial Revolution, although the latter could not have been brought to fruition without the former, I think.

The theme of my yet to be completed Opus Magnum includes a diminution of human exploration, discovery and growth as a systemic failure from within beginning in the 1960's and continuing on into the 21st Century.

I see it as a 'looking inwards' of the intelligentia of an era, a concern with personal well being and planetary well being as opposed to an outward looking mentality that thrills to discovery and growth.

It seems to transcend all disciplines from Philosophy to Art, the entire gamut of human endeavors drawing back from exploring new ideas and extending knowledge to one of systemizing and categorizing and indeed 'worshiping' that which has been done and sacrificing the search for new knowledge and experiences.

That is perhaps vague at best and may only be a 'rest' period for humanity before we move onward again.

I fear, however, that humanity is on the brink of another, 'dark age', brought about by the lethargy of the human spirit in the face of the death of God at the hands of modern science.

Like you, I really don't mind what people think or say about my posts and my ideas. The only sadness to me is that I am unable to communicate that which I have learned and know in any meaningful manner, at least in a larger way than personal interaction.

It is difficult to even discuss matters of import with those who hold that there is no, 'absolute' knowledge that the human mind can embrace. That relegates all research and the entire thought process to the realm of 'opinions', to which everyone is entitled.

Thank you my far traveling friend, may your journey be enlightening...


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