‘Concentration camps’ for gays opened in Chechnya

[rocket_surgery]

By whom? The story was reported by a Russian newspaper, I don't think anti-Russian propaganda is its intent.

Look it up, that's exactly their intent.

 

[someoneyouknow]

"Allegedly"..."reportedly"... What ever happened to journalists actually publishing verified facts? And why are people so quick to believe tales with zero proof? FOH with this bullshit story. Standard propaganda targeting that region: they hate homos. It means we are being manipulated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/01/world/europe/chechen-authorities-arresting-and-killing-gay-men-russian-paper-says.html?_r=0

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/chechnya-detains-100-gay-men-first-concentration-camps-since-holocaust-1616363

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/report-chechnya-police-arrest-100-alleged-gays-killed-46522707

Good enough, or are we going to continue on with bullshit about there not being proof? It's Chechnya. It's run by a radical Muslim terrorist appointed by Putin. Why would there be any doubt it's not real?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Are you seriously siding with Putin against Pussy Riot?! Or against the LGBTs, for that matter?!

I personally don't give a fuck about Putin nor Pussy Riot. I am just siding with the facts. Sometimes the facts don't go your way; get over it.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Look it up, that's exactly their intent.

Novaya Gazeta is anti-Putin, but it is no more anti-Russian than American media hostile to the Administration are anti-American.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

By whom? The story was reported by a Russian newspaper, I don't think anti-Russian (or anti-Chechen) propaganda is its intent.

It's probably funded by an American concern whose name escapes me... If I were at my computer I could probably dig it up. Its most certainly propaganda meant to shape western opinions. That's why it's getting press here... Just like pussy Riot with their English language signs

 

[rocket_surgery]

Novaya Gazeta is anti-Putin, but it is no more anti-Russian than American media hostile to the Administration are anti-American.

If an anti-Trump paper said he was starting gay concentration camps people would understandably be cautious about believing it. Most people anyway.
It's the same thing.
I don't say it isn't happening because I don't know but that paper is hardly above reproach when it comes to Russia and Putin.

 

[rocket_surgery]

It's probably funded by an American concern whose name escapes me... If I were at my computer I could probably dig it up. Its most certainly propaganda meant to shape western opinions. That's why it's getting press here... Just like pussy Riot with their English language signs

Soros either owns or funds a lot of it.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/01/world/europe/chechen-authorities-arresting-and-killing-gay-men-russian-paper-says.html?_r=0

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/chechnya-detains-100-gay-men-first-concentration-camps-since-holocaust-1616363

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/report-chechnya-police-arrest-100-alleged-gays-killed-46522707

Good enough, or are we going to continue on with bullshit about there not being proof? It's Chechnya. It's run by a radical Muslim terrorist appointed by Putin. Why would there be any doubt it's not real?

I will review links when I am at my computer. But until I see proof, I dont belive a goddamn thing when the press says, "reportedly" or "allegedly" something is happening. I need to see evidence. If there is evidence in your links, I will believe it.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Soros either owns or funds a lot of it.

Well that is shocking. SHOCKING I tell you.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Soros either owns or funds a lot of it.

Good for him.

 

[rocket_surgery]

Good for him.

I suppose although I can't imagine he makes any money from it. Probably a hobby or something. Don't really know much about the guy. Hear his name constantly but can't bring myself to care.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I suppose although I can't imagine he makes any money from it. Probably a hobby or something. Don't really know much about the guy. Hear his name constantly but can't bring myself to care.

Looked him up on Wikipedia. Sounds quite cool. Money to fucking burn!

 

[KingOrfeo]

I suppose although I can't imagine he makes any money from it. Probably a hobby or something. Don't really know much about the guy. Hear his name constantly but can't bring myself to care.

See here:

According to Waldemar A. Nielsen, an authority on American philanthropy,[94] "[Soros] has undertaken ... nothing less than to open up the once-closed communist societies of Eastern Europe to a free flow of ideas and scientific knowledge from the outside world."[95] From 1979, as an advocate of 'open societies', Soros financially supported dissidents including Poland's Solidarity movement, Charter 77 in Czechoslovakia and Andrei Sakharov in the Soviet Union.[96] In 1984, he founded his first Open Society Institute in Hungary with a budget of $3 million.[97]

Since the fall of the Soviet Union, Soros's funding has continued to play an important role in the former Soviet sphere. His funding of prodemocratic programs in Georgia was considered by Russian and Western observers to be crucial to the success of the Rose Revolution, although Soros has said that his role has been "greatly exaggerated."[98] Alexander Lomaia, Secretary of the Georgian Security Council and former Minister of Education and Science, is a former Executive Director of the Open Society Georgia Foundation (Soros Foundation), overseeing a staff of 50 and a budget of $2.5 million.[99]

Former Georgian foreign minister Salomé Zourabichvili wrote that institutions like the Soros Foundation were the cradle of democratisation and that all the NGOs that gravitated around the Soros Foundation undeniably carried the revolution. She opines that after the revolution the Soros Foundation and the NGOs were integrated into power.[100]

Some Soros-backed pro-democracy initiatives have been banned in Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.[101] Ercis Kurtulus, head of the Social Transparency Movement Association (TSHD) in Turkey, said in an interview that "Soros carried out his will in Ukraine and Georgia by using these NGOs... Last year Russia passed a special law prohibiting NGOs from taking money from foreigners. I think this should be banned in Turkey as well."[102] In 1997, Soros closed his foundation in Belarus after it was fined $3 million by the government for "tax and currency violations." According to The New York Times, the Belarusian president Alexander Lukashenko has been widely criticized in the West and in Russia for his efforts to control the Belarus Soros Foundation and other independent NGOs and to suppress civil and human rights. Soros called the fines part of a campaign to "destroy independent society."[103]

In June 2009, Soros donated $100 million to Central Europe and Eastern Europe to counter the impact of the economic crisis on the poor, voluntary groups and non-government organisations.[104]

 

[rocket_surgery]

Looked him up on Wikipedia. Sounds quite cool. Money to fucking burn!

Yeah, I know he's rich but lots of guys are and most just aren't interesting to me.
I like Bill Gates because of his charity but don't really know much about him because I just don't give a shit.
That guy down in Mexico actually does sound interesting because everyone says he's an asshole but I still can't get myself to care enough to actually read about him.
I guess money sort of bores me. Maybe it's cuz I don't have any.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/01/world/europe/chechen-authorities-arresting-and-killing-gay-men-russian-paper-says.html?_r=0

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/chechnya-detains-100-gay-men-first-concentration-camps-since-holocaust-1616363

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/report-chechnya-police-arrest-100-alleged-gays-killed-46522707

Good enough, or are we going to continue on with bullshit about there not being proof? It's Chechnya. It's run by a radical Muslim terrorist appointed by Putin. Why would there be any doubt it's not real?

Your links are news reports repeating what another media outlet reported.

Example, from your NYT link:

"On Saturday, a leading Russian opposition newspaper confirmed a story already circulating among human rights activists: The Chechen authorities were arresting and killing gay men."

"By Saturday, the paper reported, and an analyst of the region with her own sources confirmed, that more than 100 gay men had been detained. "

Where's the proof? There is none in your links. I also note, the "journalists" who wrote the articles to which you have linked did no investigation.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Yeah, I know he's rich but lots of guys are and most just aren't interesting to me.

Elon Musk is interesting.

 

[rocket_surgery]

Elon Musk is interesting.

Maybe to you. To me his ideas can be interesting but I really couldn't care less about him. Have never even looked at a wiki for him.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

See here:

Reading that, and assuming it's accuracy, it should be crystal clear why Russia will kick your ass to the curb when you start playing with NGOs in the name of "open societies". This "Boohoo what about the gays, what about the arts" shit works in the west where people are easily fooled by propaganda so long as it tugs on their heart strings.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Let us bear in mind, however, that a story about a government arresting and murdering gays in this day and age . . . well, that's a mighty big thing to make up, and if it turns out not to be true, that could destroy the credibility of any newspaper that is not a supermarket tabloid.

 

[neci]

are the police not beating them openly, in the public? i need to go read more.

 

[neci]

A spokesperson for Chechnya's leader, Ramzan Kadyrov, denied the existence of LGBTQ people in Chechnya, telling the Interfax news agency, "You cannot detain and persecute people who simply do not exist in the republic."

And Kheda Saratova, who is on Kadyrov's human rights council, recently appeared on a Russian radio show and encouraged Chechens to "hunt down this kind of person without any help from authorities, and do everything to make sure that this kind of person does not exist in our society," The Guardian reported.

nbc

 

[neci]

breitbart reports

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/04/russian-police-arrest-gay-rights-activist-getty-640x480.jpg

russian-police-arrest-gay-rights-activist-getty

“You cannot arrest or repress people who just don’t exist in the republic,” Kadyrov spokesman Alvi Karimov told the Russian news agency Interfax.

“If such people existed in Chechnya, law enforcement would not have to worry about them since their own relatives would have sent them to where they could never return,” added the official from the administration of President Kadyrov, who introduced Islamic rule to Chechnya.

 

[neci]

glass shards in the ass. prolific.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I suppose although I can't imagine he makes any money from it. Probably a hobby or something. Don't really know much about the guy. Hear his name constantly but can't bring myself to care.

He profits when he can cause governmental instability...

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

breitbart reports

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/04/russian-police-arrest-gay-rights-activist-getty-640x480.jpg

Who is the guy in the picture? Where was this picture taken? When?

It is interesting that you link to Breitbart. Does that mean you concede they are right, that Muslims hate gays and want to kill them... not just in Chechnya but the world over?