Puppy Play

i have recently spoken to a couple of people who are interested in puppy roleplaying. i have been asking all sorts of questions and learning as much as i can on the topic but there are a few things that i am not really getting answers to. Maybe someone can help. (Note: i am talking about extended periods of puppy play as in a lifestyle.)

Many puppies will completely let go of their human side. The expectation from the owner is that they become puppies. If a puppy makes a mess, chews on something, hides something, the idea is that they didn't know any better because they are just a pup. The owner will then train the puppy not to do this. They will train the puppy where to go to the bathroom and so on. The thing i have trouble understanding is that humans still think, they know better so how often would a puppy "pretend" not to know what the right thing to do is. A real puppy wouldn't get it on the first try so...the expectation, i am assuming, is that a human puppy shouldn't either. What do you think about this?

The other question has to do with bathroom training. Puppies don't use the toilet, they use newspapers or go outside. The thing is, humans aren't exactly built like dogs. They don't come back from a bathroom break quite as clean as a dog might without a little help. i have asked a couple of owners how they deal with this and most say that they just leave it alone...the puppy that is. To me, this could get messy, smelly, and even hazardous to the puppy's health. How do You owners handle this? How do others think it should be handled? This is a big question on my mind that i just can't find the answer to.

Are there any puppies or owners hanging around Literotica that i could speak to or ask questions to?

Sir knows that i am still me, and still human, even when i act like a puppy, and would never do anything hazardous to my health.

"puppy" for my is my nickname always. if either of us refer to me as such, we both know we are talking BDSM before another word is said. this doesnt ncesarily mean that all we do is puppy play, as we do a great deal more then that. Even when we are doign something completly unrelated to puppy play, i am still refered to as his puppy.

there are many times that i am much happier on all fours (as puppies cant stand on two legs), on leash, not saying a word (as puppies dont talk), not using my hands, etc. in these times i am usually very playful, and Sir usually does give me warnings where he might not have otherwise, or played along, so i gues we give up the reality that i can understand his "human speach".

other times during puppy play, he makes it clear that i am to understand what he says but am not able to respond (probalems of a long distance relationship, communication is difficult already). he's had me pacce around on all fours for him, do tricks, or whatever else amused him at the time.

due to some outside factors, we have nver been able to engage in much of anything, puppy play included, for extended periods of time, so my experience with this is limited, and i cannot answer your particular question. i'll check in with this though and see if there is anything i can help with. or you are always welcome to PM me if you want.

Why is it such a big thing in your mind? I only ask out of concern because I see a pattern emerging with your discoveries, questions and follow up pursuits of what it seems you convince yourself is right for you, until you find it actually isn't. That aside, puppy play can go as far as the people involved want it, but in reality it is role play except in those few rare criminal cases which have involved children and are not related to kink. People can convince themselves of almost anything if they are inclined to...that does not make it a reality. A fully functioning, mature, and mentally healthy adult is not going to become a puppy in every sense of the word, but a lot of people enjoy talking it up at other's expense. The reason you are getting vague answers probably lies in the fact the people you are talking to and asking (possibly) do it as role play and it has a beginning and end point, or grey areas which for the sake of the continued illusion they ignore and don't question the handling of. I am not sure your search for a new and independent life would be advised to include fulltime puppy play to the point you live, behave and believe you are a puppy of the furry kind.

Catalina

I have known several people involved in puppy play. Two of them were even winners of International Puppy Contests, and none of them lives 24/7 as a dog. They play the role of puppy with their trainer/master and do so for extended periods. I have seen them play outdoors and if appropriate they will lift a leg to urinate, but everyone I know take breaks for "real world" needs.

A 24/7 lifestyle as a puppy would involve way too many problems to be practical. Just in the same way that people in M/s relationships have on and off times, even though they may not admit it. Remember, real puppies sleep 16-18 hours a day. Unless you have a very unenergetic "puppy" they are going to require a lot more attention and will wear a trainer out long before they loose energy.

catalina_francisco said:

Why is it such a big thing in your mind? I only ask out of concern because I see a pattern emerging with your discoveries, questions and follow up pursuits of what it seems you convince yourself is right for you, until you find it actually isn't. That aside, puppy play can go as far as the people involved want it, but in reality it is role play except in those few rare criminal cases which have involved children and are not related to kink. People can convince themselves of almost anything if they are inclined to...that does not make it a reality. A fully functioning, mature, and mentally healthy adult is not going to become a puppy in every sense of the word, but a lot of people enjoy talking it up at other's expense. The reason you are getting vague answers probably lies in the fact the people you are talking to and asking (possibly) do it as role play and it has a beginning and end point, or grey areas which for the sake of the continued illusion they ignore and don't question the handling of. I am not sure your search for a new and independent life would be advised to include fulltime puppy play to the point you live, behave and believe you are a puppy of the furry kind.

Catalina

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Catalina, you are seeing a pattern in me. i find out about new and i research it to learn about it. i am trying to discover what is right for me and the only way to do that is to learn about what is out there. i am developing myself and my interests.

One person i spoke to wanted a 24/7 complete puppy. Obviously the pupy is still human but with this guy the role play wouldn't end. This is completely legal if it is consensual. Another was looking for a puppy slave. The submissive would play both roles at different times. The last guy i spoke to wanted simply wanted to role play for a couple of hours on occasion.

i am not saying that i am going to become a 24/7 puppy, just learning about it.

blklthrjkt said:

I have known several people involved in puppy play. Two of them were even winners of International Puppy Contests, and none of them lives 24/7 as a dog. They play the role of puppy with their trainer/master and do so for extended periods. I have seen them play outdoors and if appropriate they will lift a leg to urinate, but everyone I know take breaks for "real world" needs.

A 24/7 lifestyle as a puppy would involve way too many problems to be practical. Just in the same way that people in M/s relationships have on and off times, even though they may not admit it. Remember, real puppies sleep 16-18 hours a day. Unless you have a very unenergetic "puppy" they are going to require a lot more attention and will wear a trainer out long before they loose energy.

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i think i should clarify. i don't mean 24/7 lifestyle. i know that no human could really keep this sort of play up for that long. i mean an extended period of time. These people wouldn't be telling me about what sort of bathroom restrictions they would have if they were only going to do it for a short time. Some of the ones i spoke to wanted it to be for most of the day. They said no tv, no job, no ID, "dog food," bathroom restrictions...maybe even body modification. This is obviously extreme but people do it and i am curious about it. i soak up new information like a sponge.

Kailey_86 said:

i soak up new information like a sponge.

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This is the pattern I am referring to. I have no concerns about anyone researching and exploring things, in fact I am famous for encouraging it both in and out of the D/s world, but what I see with your posting history is it is not so much you research and then actually try out things which came initially from your own mind, desires, wants, but more so are the ideas and/or desires of others and this is why I become concerned for you....more especially since you decided to turn your present life upside down because you felt you needed to become more independent and couldn't do that around family or in the job you were in or studying the course you were studying. Now I see you once again taking on an idea which came from someone else and you have grabbed on to it and are running like a bull at a gate to explore it and more and yet I have not seen anything which would indicate to me this is something you wanted, really wanted for you. What I also notice is you tend to go for things which I get the feeling you think or imagine are more impressive than just the average sexual or romantic adventure, almost as if you are trying to prove something to the world about how out there you are or can be. Pleasing others, or getting into situations you think you want but are really doing to win the attention/affection/notice/pleasure/admiration of someone else is not being independent or finding yourself, it is as you say, being a sponge and assuming anything which anyone wants of you and is a sure way to majorly screw up both your head and life. I would hate to see you do that when you are so young and have a possibly great life ahead of you, then have to spend a fortune and years on therapy to get yoursef anywhere near sorted out again. Life is too short to live it for others, live for what and who you are.

Catalina

Catalina, I'm sorry but I fail to see where she said she was interested in becoming a puppy, just that she was researching puppy play. I think you are assuming too much here. Being concerned for her well being is great and all that but she is an adult and capable of making her own decisions and mistakes just like the rest of us even if she is young. And just because she's young doesn't make her stupid or ignorant of dangers out there, let's give her some credit here.

Kailey, I'm sorry I have no information on puppy play to share personally, but I hope you find the answers you are looking for. Good luck.

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Catalina, I'm sorry but I fail to see where she said she was interested in becoming a puppy, just that she was researching puppy play. I think you are assuming too much here. Being concerned for her well being is great and all that but she is an adult and capable of making her own decisions and mistakes just like the rest of us even if she is young. And just because she's young doesn't make her stupid or ignorant of dangers out there, let's give her some credit here.

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Sorry Dixi, it has nothing to do with age as far as I am concerned. I am just as capable of being concerned with the welfare of a new sub who is 60 as I am for one of 18, especially when they have little sexual and relationship experience (the 60 or 18 yo), and I know from experience if I sit and worry to myself and say nothing and then they end up messed up in some way, I have a huge attack of the guilts for not saying something sooner. I know for some in cyberland it is customary to come on all encouraging and then after things go wrong offer a shoulder to cry on and some even daring to say they feared something like this would happen but didn't like to say it earlier, but that is not my style. I for one like people to tell me if they think I might be running a risk or stepping into dangerous territory before I do anything more so I at least have something to think about which I might not have previously, and can then make the choice to use caution and carry on, or perhaps discard the idea totally, or even do as I intended...I just hate it when they tell me when it is too late and say it was because they didn't want to hurt me (duh, not telling can sometimes do just that), upset me, offend me, or stick their nose into my business. I was just trying to do as I would like done for me in the same circumstances, and as I was not abusive or patronising I felt it would be accepted in the spirit it was intended....my bad, it won't happen again with Kailey.

Catalina

dixicritter said:

Catalina, I'm sorry but I fail to see where she said she was interested in becoming a puppy, just that she was researching puppy play. I think you are assuming too much here. Being concerned for her well being is great and all that but she is an adult and capable of making her own decisions and mistakes just like the rest of us even if she is young. And just because she's young doesn't make her stupid or ignorant of dangers out there, let's give her some credit here.

Kailey, I'm sorry I have no information on puppy play to share personally, but I hope you find the answers you are looking for. Good luck.

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On most occations I would agree with this but it wasn't that long ago kailey was asking about poly. Not that she really wanted it, but that a guy she was interested in wanted it, already had another slave I believe was the case. I thought from that discution, if I remember correctly that Kailey had decieded that yes, poly was not for her, just as she thought it wasn't, but she seemed to try to be convincing herself that she could "deal with it", and she then persued the relationship.

And there was another thread, seems like only a few weeks ago that was much the same, tho I can't remember the topic of that one. So I think Cat does have a ligetimit fear, and I share it.

Exploring something because you are interested in it is great. Exploring something because some one you care about is interested in it is fine as well. But Kailey, I think you really need to step back and ask yourself why you want to explore this, and if it's just for some random guy I wouldn't sujest continuing.

Lord knows I've changed myself for men before. But lemme tell you, if they don't want who you are, they're not likely to stay with who you become. If you aren't true to yourself, then you can't be true to some one else and if you try to change for some one you are likely to resent them for it.

Now I'm not saying that there isn't some give and take in relationships, and there are some things that I have toned back on because it wasn't pleasing to my Love (anoyed the fuck out of him is more like it), but at the same time he understands that these things are a part of who I am, and so allows my little out bursts from time to time.

Just be sure this is something you want to explore, and not something you want to try to snag some guy.

Okay enough preaching, I'm not much older than you anyway *giggles*.

I haven't done real puppy play real time. But my favorite collar is a leather dog collar with a purple tag, my first collar. I love the feel of it, and I love being on a leash. I used to love being lead around the club by it, and I've begged Master to do the same when I visit him. I love the feeling of being on all fours, sitting next to a dom. Having him stroke my hair and pet me as he reads his book or paper. I love being lead as I crawl, desperately trying to keep up with the holder of my leash. This is about as far as I've gone, and when it comes to any bathroom details I'm not willing to go there, even in the bit of online rp I've done.

catalina_francisco said:

This is the pattern I am referring to. I have no concerns about anyone researching and exploring things, in fact I am famous for encouraging it both in and out of the D/s world, but what I see with your posting history is it is not so much you research and then actually try out things which came initially from your own mind, desires, wants, but more so are the ideas and/or desires of others and this is why I become concerned for you

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i DO get ideas from others. Isn't that how it's supposed to work? They show me things that i never considered or knew about. i find them interesting and so i research. The research allows me to develop myself and my interests. For example, i have always been a submissive but i didn't always know it. It wasn't until i discovered the lifestyle that i found a name for what i am. The same goes for everything else.

...more especially since you decided to turn your present life upside down because you felt you needed to become more independent and couldn't do that around family or in the job you were in or studying the course you were studying. Now I see you once again taking on an idea which came from someone else and you have grabbed on to it and are running like a bull at a gate to explore it and more and yet I have not seen anything which would indicate to me this is something you wanted, really wanted for you.

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Yes, i did decide to do those things but that has nothing to do with the fact that i am a submissive or with what i decide to research. There are many women who are strong and independent outside of their D/s relationships. As for indicating that i really want this, i don't have to. i can't know what i really want unless i figure out what is out there. It's not something that you just know. It is something that is discovered and developed.

What I also notice is you tend to go for things which I get the feeling you think or imagine are more impressive than just the average sexual or romantic adventure, almost as if you are trying to prove something to the world about how out there you are or can be. Pleasing others, or getting into situations you think you want but are really doing to win the attention/affection/notice/pleasure/admiration of someone else is not being independent or finding yourself, it is as you say, being a sponge and assuming anything which anyone wants of you and is a sure way to majorly screw up both your head and life. I would hate to see you do that when you are so young and have a possibly great life ahead of you, then have to spend a fortune and years on therapy to get yoursef anywhere near sorted out again.

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i am definately not trying to impress anyone. If i were, i would be doing a lot more boasting and talking rather than asking questions. Maybe i really am into this stuff though. Maybe i am one of those people who wants to take it to the extreme. i will never know until i find out. i am not basing my lifestyle choices on what others want. If i were doing that, i would be in a vanilla relationship.

Life is too short to live it for others, live for what and who you are.

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i am a submissive...i would even go as far as to say i am a slave. i am confident in this becase of past experience. Maybe i am a puppy. There are 3 reasons why i would want to be a puppy:
1)i crave the total power exchange. i have learned that i tend to act out if there isn't enough there.
2)It is a way to escape the cares and concerns of life. This might not sound healthy but everyone does it in one way or another. This might be my way.
and 3) It's fun!

This doesn't mean that it is right for me. i can't say that until i have tried but i know it is an interest.

Kailey_86 said:

i am a submissive...i would even go as far as to say i am a slave. i am confident in this becase of past experience. Maybe i am a puppy. There are 3 reasons why i would want to be a puppy:
1)i crave the total power exchange. i have learned that i tend to act out if there isn't enough there.
2)It is a way to escape the cares and concerns of life. This might not sound healthy but everyone does it in one way or another. This might be my way.
and
3) It's fun!

This doesn't mean that it is right for me. i can't say that until i have tried but i know it is an interest.

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I have a friend that has a TPE relationship.
He just recently explained it to us as hubby & I are only starting to explore the BDSM side of ourselves.
Everyone always thought he was a jealous, self centered a$$, but once he met the slave he has now his life is "perfect" as he puts it. she is very happy being expected to keep the house clean & meals done at certain times for him, she enjoys being told when to speak, eat, pee, dress, work or taken out & "walked" in the neighbourhood. They do not do puppy play but she is completely his, body, mind & soul. He can be as derogatory or as sympathetic as he wishes... she bends to him, no questions.
Another recent aquaintance showed me pictures of her "puppy" it is a fella about 10+ years younger than her in an open relationship. He spends time with her as formal training to be a puppy. he has dog bowls under a table at her place & in the pic he is wearing leash & collar, gloves & knees pads that I can see. there is NOTHING sexual between them as far as I have seen. he just likes to play this role & she is a pro Domme so he is being "trained".

hopefully this helps... Sorry Catalina if this is improper.

Kailey_86 said:

i DO get ideas from others. Isn't that how it's supposed to work? They show me things that i never considered or knew about. i find them interesting and so i research. The research allows me to develop myself and my interests. For example, i have always been a submissive but i didn't always know it. It wasn't until i discovered the lifestyle that i found a name for what i am. The same goes for everything else.


Yes, i did decide to do those things but that has nothing to do with the fact that i am a submissive or with what i decide to research. There are many women who are strong and independent outside of their D/s relationships. As for indicating that i really want this, i don't have to. i can't know what i really want unless i figure out what is out there. It's not something that you just know. It is something that is discovered and developed.


i am definately not trying to impress anyone. If i were, i would be doing a lot more boasting and talking rather than asking questions. Maybe i really am into this stuff though. Maybe i am one of those people who wants to take it to the extreme. i will never know until i find out. i am not basing my lifestyle choices on what others want. If i were doing that, i would be in a vanilla relationship.


i am a submissive...i would even go as far as to say i am a slave. i am confident in this becase of past experience. Maybe i am a puppy. There are 3 reasons why i would want to be a puppy:
1)i crave the total power exchange. i have learned that i tend to act out if there isn't enough there.
2)It is a way to escape the cares and concerns of life. This might not sound healthy but everyone does it in one way or another. This might be my way.
and 3) It's fun!

This doesn't mean that it is right for me. i can't say that until i have tried but i know it is an interest.

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Kailey, we already discussed this in PM prior to you posting this. As I told you, I will try and refrain from giving you any advice or sharing my experiences with you in the future as if it is not what you expect or want to hear, you feel it is unfair and distracting from the thread. I don't want to stop others answering your questions so I will bow out and you can ask away.

Catalina

HalifaxHottie66 said:

Sorry Catalina if this is improper.

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Why would it be improper, and what has your experience or post to do with me?

Catalina

catalina_francisco said:

Why would it be improper, and what has your experience or post to do with me?

Catalina

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You are the moderator of this board & we (hubby & I) have been following you & a few others through the threads. You seem very versed & just didn't want to put my foot in the mouth, so to speak.

HalifaxHottie66 said:

I have a friend that has a TPE relationship.
He just recently explained it to us as hubby & I are only starting to explore the BDSM side of ourselves.
Everyone always thought he was a jealous, self centered a$$, but once he met the slave he has now his life is "perfect" as he puts it. she is very happy being expected to keep the house clean & meals done at certain times for him, she enjoys being told when to speak, eat, pee, dress, work or taken out & "walked" in the neighbourhood. They do not do puppy play but she is completely his, body, mind & soul. He can be as derogatory or as sympathetic as he wishes... she bends to him, no questions.
Another recent aquaintance showed me pictures of her "puppy" it is a fella about 10+ years younger than her in an open relationship. He spends time with her as formal training to be a puppy. he has dog bowls under a table at her place & in the pic he is wearing leash & collar, gloves & knees pads that I can see. there is NOTHING sexual between them as far as I have seen. he just likes to play this role & she is a pro Domme so he is being "trained".

hopefully this helps... Sorry Catalina if this is improper.

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It does, yes, thank you.

catalina_francisco said:

Kailey, we already discussed this in PM prior to you posting this. As I told you, I will try and refrain from giving you any advice or sharing my experiences with you in the future as if it is not what you expect or want to hear, you feel it is unfair and distracting from the thread. I don't want to stop others answering your questions so I will bow out and you can ask away.

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i don't want to cause trouble. i didn't ask you to stop giving advice altogether. i said often the thread gets off topic. i was just responding to your post.

i think i might go somewhere else to ask my questions. i am having a hard time here and i seem to be stirring up the dust. That is not my intention. i don't like to cause conflict or be a part of it in any way. i apologize.

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i don't want to cause trouble. i didn't ask you to stop giving advice altogether. i said often the thread gets off topic. i was just responding to your post.

i think i might go somewhere else to ask my questions. i am having a hard time here and i seem to be stirring up the dust. That is not my intention. i don't like to cause conflict or be a part of it in any way. i apologize.

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kailey, i think i understand what catalina's worries are about you and your exploring, though i do think some need to step back and look and realize that you are asking questions, and not just going out there and doing everything to see if it's 'right' for you. it's good that you want this knowledge and asking questions is a great way to get experiences of others and advice from others, and i do hope that you continue to ask your questions here, as alot of your threads have helped me out also.

i love Catalina's advice, even though, i do not always agree with her, i see where she's coming from. and those of us who have been in the lifestyle longer, do tend to feel a certain need to 'protect' those submissives who are new, and who we think are making wrong decisions, sometimes it's hard to step back from our own opinions on things and see that maybe it's not as we are seeing it. it's all out of concern, but i do see how it could get frustrating and make you feel like you are being mocked or attacked for the things you find interest in.

we all have interest in different things, but be careful with what you explore and i agree that if it's an interest because it's someone else's interest than run from it, only you know what's right for you, and you're right there is no way you can know what's best for you if you don't experience or ask questions, research the things you are interested in. Catalina is a caring soul, and doesn't want you to end up hurt, or in a bad situation, so try not to take what she says so personal, learn from the advice that she gives you that fits you, and throw out the rest that doesn't fit.....does that make sense?? and as i said, i do hope you will continue to ask your questions as you grow in this lifestyle....a for you and a big :::hug::: to let you know you are cared about....

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Catalina, you are seeing a pattern in me. i find out about new and i research it to learn about it. i am trying to discover what is right for me and the only way to do that is to learn about what is out there. i am developing myself and my interests.

One person i spoke to wanted a 24/7 complete puppy. Obviously the pupy is still human but with this guy the role play wouldn't end. This is completely legal if it is consensual. Another was looking for a puppy slave. The submissive would play both roles at different times. The last guy i spoke to wanted simply wanted to role play for a couple of hours on occasion.

i am not saying that i am going to become a 24/7 puppy, just learning about it.

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This is like, the deep end of a big pool. You found either someone BSing or someone in a 1 percentile of canine players. The vast majority of puppy people do it on a scene basis, sometimes extended and repeated scenes. I've never met anyone who went into a 24/7 animal headspace and found it a good workable thing. I've never met anyone who'd seriously demand that from a potential rel. in 3D. Not to say never, but holy cow, rarely.

That said I've done this as a puppy and as a handler. It is very enjoyable in small doses. As a dog it's a great mental vacation. As an owner -- well there's a lot of responsibility for the dog. The dog will only do what you want and allow it to do - if things are not to plan it's ALL on you. You don't blame the dog. It's enough of a bottom-centric scene that I still felt OK doing it - didn't feel overly sub - make sense?

Very tiring. Rewarding, but not a scene I'd want to stay in indefinitely.

HalifaxHottie66 said:

You are the moderator of this board & we (hubby & I) have been following you & a few others through the threads. You seem very versed & just didn't want to put my foot in the mouth, so to speak.

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We encourage everyone to feel free here as long as they try and remain friendly and/or polite as in non-abusive. Even then though, it is not a heavily moderated board as it is a free speech site and I am not a fan of moderating peoples thoughts and words. Putting your foot in your mouth can be kinky though.

Catalina

Netzach said:

This is like, the deep end of a big pool. You found either someone BSing or someone in a 1 percentile of canine players. The vast majority of puppy people do it on a scene basis, sometimes extended and repeated scenes. I've never met anyone who went into a 24/7 animal headspace and found it a good workable thing. I've never met anyone who'd seriously demand that from a potential rel. in 3D. Not to say never, but holy cow, rarely.

That said I've done this as a puppy and as a handler. It is very enjoyable in small doses. As a dog it's a great mental vacation. As an owner -- well there's a lot of responsibility for the dog. The dog will only do what you want and allow it to do - if things are not to plan it's ALL on you. You don't blame the dog. It's enough of a bottom-centric scene that I still felt OK doing it - didn't feel overly sub - make sense?

Very tiring. Rewarding, but not a scene I'd want to stay in indefinitely.

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you always seem to know exactly what to say about a given topic.

puppy play is something i do with Sir in scenes, and when he wants to but i think id go crazy as a 24/7 puppy. that doesnt prevent me from being "His puppy" in all aspects of our D/s lives but to act as a puppy and not as a person for more then we already do in scenes.... not me.

Kailey_86 said:

i don't want to cause trouble. i didn't ask you to stop giving advice altogether. i said often the thread gets off topic. i was just responding to your post.

i think i might go somewhere else to ask my questions. i am having a hard time here and i seem to be stirring up the dust. That is not my intention. i don't like to cause conflict or be a part of it in any way. i apologize.

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You are not causing trouble and you do not need to go elsewhere. One of the good things about Lit is that you will usualy get a lot of honesty from people who can call on more than online experience only, and who are overall a fairly tolerant group and use their brains, very unlike most other BDSM forums I have dropped in on from time to time where abuse and BS are the flavour of most days. If you post on a forum, or you ask people about anything in life, you are either going to get a lot of people who say what you want to hear, or better still, people who will tell you what they think/know/feel...unfortunately it doesn't always correspond to what we might think/feel/know at the time, but it allows you the freedom to get different perspectives and then go from there. I have had plenty of people tell me they think I am nuts, or they can't imagine why I do what I do....that is their choice the same as mine is mine but does not have to result in me feeling victimised and often those same people will agree with me on something else, just not everything...it is natural as we are all unique individuals.

Catalina

When I saw the title of this thread, the first thing that came to mind was a video link Etoile posted of the puppy in the ballet shoes being punished by the firefighter.

Odd that video still pops up in my memory.

I would have to say that someone who wanted a 24/7 human puppy is living in fantasyland and has lost touch with reality.

Like that one guy that was looking for subs to breed so he could raise his girl children as slaves for himself and his demented incestual fantasies.

Or on par with that guy in the NorthEast who kidnapped girls and kept them in the underground/soundproof room as his personal playthings. The one that said the girls should have been grateful that they didn't have to have jobs and feed themselves as he was taking on all responsibility for their lives.

When fantasy meets reality in the mind of a mentally deficient person innocent people tend to suffer.

You should be very paranoid of the people you talk to that don't also have a very normal side, especially as it seems that you are prone to taking risks.

Or at least you have given a few of us the impression that you are prone to taking risks with your safety. Not to be insulting of your intelligence at all, it's just the impression that I get. If I'm wrong then please do hang around and let's talk about it.

Betticus said:

I would have to say that someone who wanted a 24/7 human puppy is living in fantasyland and has lost touch with reality.

Like that one guy that was looking for subs to breed so he could raise his girl children as slaves for himself and his demented incestual fantasies.

Or on par with that guy in the NorthEast who kidnapped girls and kept them in the underground/soundproof room as his personal playthings. The one that said the girls should have been grateful that they didn't have to have jobs and feed themselves as he was taking on all responsibility for their lives.

When fantasy meets reality in the mind of a mentally deficient person innocent people tend to suffer.

You should be very paranoid of the people you talk to that don't also have a very normal side, especially as it seems that you are prone to taking risks.

Or at least you have given a few of us the impression that you are prone to taking risks with your safety. Not to be insulting of your intelligence at all, it's just the impression that I get. If I'm wrong then please do hang around and let's talk about it.

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i was watching myself with the 24/7 guy. He was definately creepy. A couple of red flags were there, even with the puppy slave guy.