suicide

rgraham666 said:
Suicide? No.

The mindset, the terror, the despair that drive you to it. Yes.

if that is hell, then what is suicide?
 
joeys-game said:
The emotional pain is yeah. Being that desperate is yeah.

But so is the pain of losing someone that way.


yes. loosing someone that way is hell. Does that mean suicide is selfish?
 
QuanYin said:
yes. loosing someone that way is hell. Does that mean suicide is selfish?

Extremely. You leave many people behind, lost, wondering why they didn't see it coming. Wishing they had done something different. Feeling guilty that they hadn't done enough. Or perhaps guilty that they had done what they did.
 
QuanYin said:
Does that mean suicide is selfish?

No. It means the person is in such pain that death is the only way they can see to make it stop.
 
QuanYin said:
yes. loosing someone that way is hell. Does that mean suicide is selfish?

Suicide is not an answer its an end..an end to growth, to family , to feeling, to pain, to relationship, to someone else's peace.

Is it selfish, i'm not sure it is in every case..but it is very, very sad.
 
impressive said:
No. It means the person is in such pain that death is the only way they can see to make it stop.

that is the saddest thought.
 
Suicide happens in many contexts. I don't think it's fair to make a blanket statement that suicide is always selfish. It's done for spite, for political reasons, for speeding along the inevitable, for sparing loved ones the pain and suffering of what's to come, etc... It can be as selfless as it is selfish in other circumstances. I hate it. It's left deep wounds on my heart that may never heal. I just don't feel it's fair to brand the person responsible with any judgment of mine, as I most likely don't have the faintest clue as to what they went through to arrive at their decision.
 
QuanYin said:
that is the saddest thought.

Perhaps.

It certainly IS sad if the pain could've been alleviated but was not -- due to ignorance or neglect.
 
impressive said:
Perhaps.

It certainly IS sad if the pain could've been alleviated but was not -- due to ignorance or neglect.

how do we know what pain others carry with them?
 
lucky-E-leven said:
I just don't feel it's fair to brand the person responsible with any judgment of mine, as I most likely don't have the faintest clue as to what they went through to arrive at their decision.


is it a decision, or do people do it mostly irrationally?
 
QuanYin said:
how do we know what pain others carry with them?

We don't -- unless they choose to share it. What we do with that knowledge, once shared, is another story.
 
impressive said:
We don't -- unless they choose to share it. What we do with that knowledge, once shared, is another story.

even when we have the knowledge we will never truly understand the intensity of another's pain.
 
impressive said:
Perhaps.

It certainly IS sad if the pain could've been alleviated but was not -- due to ignorance or neglect.

Which is too often the case. Mental illness is the last taboo. Even more than death, the one thing not discussed or even thought about by most people.

It's so little understood and so out of our control we don't think about it.

Go to a cancer ward. You'll find friends, family, co-workers. There will be flowers and cards. Many signs of support.

Got to the mental ward. You'll mostly find patients and staff.

After my attempt, two members of my family didn't visit. A few friends did. One of whom promptly told me I had to "suck it up and get back on the horse".

That helped a lot.
 
QuanYin said:
is it a decision, or do people do it mostly irrationally?
I don't dare speak to this as though I have any experience on the matter. Honestly, it is way beyond my comprehension, as I view life as a great gift and feel that I (personally) am not looking at the right things in the right light if I ever feel that life's not important enough to continue on with. As for the rationale behind it, I've often heard (from those that survived) there is a real sense of clarity and reason ... and much welcomed relief when the answer of suicide fits whatever equation they're pondering.
 
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