Moderator - Zensur und Weenieschnitzel

Moderator - Zensur und Weenieschnitzel - Censorship

Wie ich erst jetzt erfahren habe, ist es vor einer Woche zu einem Fall übler Zensur durch Weenieschnitzel gekommen, wobei er auf Grund privater Streitigkeiten seine Macht als Moderator ausgenutzt hat und mehrere Postings von N8Dreams gelöscht hat. Seither ist N8Dreams verstummt.

Wenn ich die Wahl hätte zwischen N8Dreams, die immer postings mit Inhalt eingestellt hat (man beachte die vielen views auf ihren threads) und überdies – erfolgreiche Autorin in der deutschen Sektion von Lit ist, und einem geschwätzigen Moderator Weenieschnitzel, dessen Beiträge sich in der Regel auf maximal zwei Zeilen beschränken, mehr oder weniger interessanten polls, und der wiederholten Ankündigung, er werde nun bald sein Erstlingswerk veröffentlichen, ist meine Entscheidung klar und eindeutig.

Daneben halte ich das Löschen von postings wegen einer privaten Fehde für unerträglich. Wenn N8Dreams etwas unzulässiges gesagt haben sollte, was ich nicht glaube, kann man sogar einzelne Worte löschen und nicht ein ganzes thread.

Ich dachte eigentlich die Zeiten der Zensur seien in Deutschland vorbei.
Sadly just now I got informed that one week ago here on the German section of Lit a severe case of censorship has happened by Weenieschnitzel. Because of a private quarrel he has abused his power as moderator and deleted several postings of N8Dreams. Since that she has felt silent.

If I had the choice between N8Dreams who has ever posted contributions with serious content - see the number of views to her threads - and who is btw a successfully author on Lit - and a gossip moderator Weenieschnitzel, whose contributions never increase 2 lines, who has set up some more or lesser interesting polls and his repeated announcements that he will soon submit his first story, my decision is more than clear and indisputable.

By that I think deleting posts because of a private quarrel is not tolerable. In the case N8Dreams has published some forbidden - I cant imagine that - there is the possibility of deleting single words not the whole thread.

I thought the times of censorship have passed in Germany

Ich habe diesen Streit auch mitbekommen und muss sagen ich wollte mich da raus halten. Sollte es aber zutreffen, dass Weenieschnitzel die Beiträge gelöscht hat, weil er einfach nur Streit mit N8Dreams hatte, dann finde ich das auch ungeheuerlich und man sollte in dem Fall Laurel oder Manu darüber in Kenntniss setzen.



I as well got aware of this quarrel and have to say that I wanted to stay out of it. However, if it is true that Weenieschnitzel did erase the posts because he had personal issues with N8Dreams, then I think it is unbelievably wrong and in that case one should inform Laurel or Manu.



Snoopy

Laurel got informed, not only by me!

Ich bin für alles, was diese wenig erfreulichen Streitereien beendet.
This is a place to have fun.
Bitte keine Streithanseln, auch nicht als Mods.
(BTW: Gibt es ein englisches Wort für Streithansel?)
Weder weibliche noch männliche.

Da schmecken einem ja die Körnchen kaum noch, wenn ständig gestänkert wird.

Weenieschnitzel said:

Laurel got informed, not only by me!

Hier gibt es eine tolle Erklärung zum Thema ​

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Das bedient deine Allmachtsphantasien ganz gut, was?
Der Spaß hört auf, wenn die Tätigkeit des Moderators dazu führt, gute Autoren zu vergraulen.

Der einfachste Weg diesen Streit zu beenden wäre über einen Mod demokratisch abzustimmen und diesen Job nicht durch anbiedern zu bekommen.

Wie ich sehe, zensiert du fleisig weiter.
Lit sollte ein Platz für Meinungsfreiheit sein und nicht für deutsche Gründlichkeit im - Mund verbieten
That serves your fantasies of power very well, doesnt it? Every fun comes to an end if this behaviour turns out pretty good autors.

The easiest way to end this quarrel would be to vote in a democratic way for the mod and not to get this job by toadying to someone.

I just noticed you are going on in commiting censorship.
Lit should be a place of free speech and not give an example in German thoroughness in - shutting mouths

MelancholicDreamer said:

Das bedient deine Allmachtsphantasien ganz gut, was?

Der einfachste Weg diesen Streit zu beenden wäre über einen Mod demokratisch abzustimmen und diesen Job nicht durch anbiedern zu bekommen.

Wie ich sehe, zensiert du fleisig weiter.
Lit sollte einPlatz für Meinungsfreiheit sein und nicht für deutsche Gründlichkeit im - Mund verbieten

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That serves your fantasies of power very well, doesnt it?

The easiest way to end this quarrel would be to vote in a democratic way for the mod and not to get this job by toadying to someone.

I just noticed you are going on in commiting censorship.
Lit should be a place of free speech and not give an example in German thoroughness in - closing mouths

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Cool, some of this thread is in English-I wish the other foreign ones would do that more often too. I know you've only been here two months, but you don't vote on mods. Most people don't even want to be one, or get tired of it pretty damn quickly so you should just be happy you have one that is willing to spend the time doing it. It's probably a pain in the ass. As far as a quarrel, don't know anything about it because I can't read German. I think the foreign parts of Lit are a good thing and it's all kind of new. Basically mods can do just about whatever they want. There's free speech on Lit-you're stating your opinion and it's still here. Geez, you think you have problems here you should see what's going on on the other boards. I think you should write what you want and if it doesn't violate Lit Rules, which is what the mods are to enforce, there shouldn't be any problems. That's my two cents and the English part-much appreciated!

sperling said:

Ich bin für alles, was diese wenig erfreulichen Streitereien beendet.
This is a place to have fun.
Bitte keine Streithanseln, auch nicht als Mods.
(BTW: Gibt es ein englisches Wort für Streithansel?)
Weder weibliche noch männliche.

Da schmecken einem ja die Körnchen kaum noch, wenn ständig gestänkert wird.

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Der Spass und der Jokus... Ja!!!

Wir sollten das nicht vergessen!

Und Streithansel aus Englische = quarreler, squabbler.



Hallo, Bearlee. Even the foreign boards are entitled drama, eh?

bearlee said:

Cool, some of this thread is in English-I wish the other foreign ones would do that more often too. I know you've only been here two months, but you don't vote on mods. Most people don't even want to be one, or get tired of it pretty damn quickly so you should just be happy you have one that is willing to spend the time doing it. It's probably a pain in the ass. As far as a quarrel, don't know anything about it because I can't read German. I think the foreign parts of Lit are a good thing and it's all kind of new. Basically mods can do just about whatever they want. There's free speech on Lit-you're stating your opinion and it's still here. Geez, you think you have problems here you should see what's going on on the other boards. I think you should write what you want and if it doesn't violate Lit Rules, which is what the mods are to enforce, there shouldn't be any problems. That's my two cents and the English part-much appreciated!

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Thanks Bearlee for your opinion, I appreciate that very much. By this reason that English speeking members can take part of the discussion, its written in both languages. Perhaps I have had just you in mind?

Perhaps we Germans have a special interest in any censorship. Too much of it we suffered in Third Reich. So we were getting very sensitive with it. A free speech area demands the lack of any censorship, its only allowed in severe and serious cases. Its not allowed to fight a personal quarrel because a woman has given anybody a brush off. This is an abuse and an assault to free speech - at last to human rights

weed said:

Der Spass und der Jokus... Ja!!!

Wir sollten das nicht vergessen!

Und Streithansel aus Englische = quarreler, squabbler.



Hallo, Bearlee. Even the foreign boards are entitled drama, eh?

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Well, I'm not going to respond to the first part Believe me, you don't want the type of drama going on elsewhere on this site. But Hallo back

MelancholicDreamer said:

Thanks Bearlee for your opinion, I appreciate that very much. By this reason that English speeking members can take part of the discussion, its written in both languages. Perhaps I have had just you in mind?

Perhaps we Germans have a special interest in any censorship. Too much of it we suffered in Third Reich. So we were getting very sensitive with it. A free speech area demands the lack of any censorship, its only allowed in severe and serious cases. Its not allowed to fight a personal quarrel because a woman has given anybody a brush off. This is an abuse and an assault to free speech - at last to human rights

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Well, I looked at some of the other threads and they're not written in both. Some of the other foreign do it to an extent but not much. I found a thread by N8Dreams, if I got the name right about apparently a story she had posted and the next post was by your mod with a "thumbs up" so I took that to be a positive-not that I could read any of it.

The war has been over a long time and the Third Reich is gone except I suppose for a few. Your definition for free speech seems pretty much on target for the boards. In real life, I'm not so sure. Keep in mind, and I wrote something a long time ago about this, we have the PATRIOT ACT here and I don't really find Europe to be a bastion of freedom. But that's another subject.

Just for me I'll accept it but I ain't buying it

Lasst uns bitte nicht vergessen, warum wir hier sind: Um Spass zu haben.

Weenie nimmt seinen "Job" als Moderator ernst, vielleicht ernster als es der Sache insgesamt dient. Dazu gehoert sicherlich auch sein bisheriges Verhalten, Threads, die nicht mehr interessant erscheinen, zu schliessen und/oder ganz zu verbannen. Muss nach meiner Meinung nicht sein.
Nichtsdestoweniger habe ich persoenlich kein wirkliches Problem damit gehabt, bisher. Wenn es denn aber so sein sollte, dass aus Weenies ganz persoenlicher Sicht der eine oder andere Post bzw Thread hier nicht hergehoert, dann ist das sicher nicht im Sinne von "Free Speech". Dieser Basisregelung sollte auch ein "allmaechtiger" Moderator untergeordnet sein, dessen Aufgabe doch eigentlich darin besteht, darauf zu achten, dass die Grundregeln von Lit nicht verletzt werden. Jedenfalls habe ich das immer so verstanden.

Wir muessen m.E. nicht ueberreagieren und sollten Weenie zumindest die Gelegenheit geben, zu lernen und umzudenken.

@ Weenie,
sei also bitte nicht beleidigt, wenn das hier diskutiert wird.
Sei nicht beleidigt, wenn niemand auf deine Posts so reagiert, wie Du es erwartest, denn darum geht es hier nicht.
Du kannst dem deutschen Board den Freiraum lassen, den Lit dafuer vorgesehen hat. Und wenn eine deiner Ideen nicht so funktioniert, wie z.B. die "Frage der Woche", nimm es nicht persoenlich.

@ n8dreams
ich kann Dich gut verstehen, wenn Du sauer bist auf Weenie. Das heisst aber nicht, dass Du hier nicht mehr posten solltest. Komm also bitte aus Deiner Schmollecke heraus und lass uns wieder Spass und Freude haben. Zur Belohnung lass ich Dich auch wieder auf meinem Schoss sitzen
SHAKE YA BOOTIE !!

MelancholicDreamer said:

Thanks Bearlee for your opinion, I appreciate that very much. By this reason that English speeking members can take part of the discussion, its written in both languages. Perhaps I have had just you in mind?

Perhaps we Germans have a special interest in any censorship. Too much of it we suffered in Third Reich. So we were getting very sensitive with it. A free speech area demands the lack of any censorship, its only allowed in severe and serious cases. Its not allowed to fight a personal quarrel because a woman has given anybody a brush off. This is an abuse and an assault to free speech - at last to human rights

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fyi:

a part of my family was killed by nazis. So I would appreciate that the subject third reich is not a part of this discussion.

already this fact makes me sensitive for the subject censoring in every way.

May I suggest that we go on in English, just to make sure, that Laurel has a chance to read the discussion too???

Rex1960 said:

Lasst uns bitte nicht vergessen, warum wir hier sind: Um Spass zu haben.

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true, very true. I agree to it totally.

Weenie nimmt seinen "Job" als Moderator ernst, vielleicht ernster als es der Sache insgesamt dient. Dazu gehoert sicherlich auch sein bisheriges Verhalten, Threads, die nicht mehr interessant erscheinen, zu schliessen und/oder ganz zu verbannen. Muss nach meiner Meinung nicht sein.
Nichtsdestoweniger habe ich persoenlich kein wirkliches Problem damit gehabt, bisher. Wenn es denn aber so sein sollte, dass aus Weenies ganz persoenlicher Sicht der eine oder andere Post bzw Thread hier nicht hergehoert, dann ist das sicher nicht im Sinne von "Free Speech". Dieser Basisregelung sollte auch ein "allmaechtiger" Moderator untergeordnet sein, dessen Aufgabe doch eigentlich darin besteht, darauf zu achten, dass die Grundregeln von Lit nicht verletzt werden. Jedenfalls habe ich das immer so verstanden.

Wir muessen m.E. nicht ueberreagieren und sollten Weenie zumindest die Gelegenheit geben, zu lernen und umzudenken.

@ Weenie,
sei also bitte nicht beleidigt, wenn das hier diskutiert wird.
Sei nicht beleidigt, wenn niemand auf deine Posts so reagiert, wie Du es erwartest, denn darum geht es hier nicht.
Du kannst dem deutschen Board den Freiraum lassen, den Lit dafuer vorgesehen hat. Und wenn eine deiner Ideen nicht so funktioniert, wie z.B. die "Frage der Woche", nimm es nicht persoenlich.

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Rex, I am not pissed about this discussion. Maybe I should drop a word about the previous deletings:

1) I deleted the first thread I am accussed for, for the reason that someone asked about an illigal subject. The user asked for a special kind of stories, which are forbidden in Lit (in accordance with the rules). In the moment I am not sure if I can name the forbidden subject here. And the starter of the thread informed me via email, that he agrees to the fact that the thread was deleted. I saved the email as a proof. Again: It was an email by the thread starter.

2) The second thread I deleted was started by me: It was the information thread. And the reason why I deleted it: An user posted there a hateful comment about my deleting (of the former mentioned thread). Well, the starter of the thread was me.

I need to add that I did one thing wrong: In the premier deleted thread, posted a user a other site to the user, which asked for information about forbidden things. My first reaction was a reply with the link to the Lit rules. But I did one thing wrong:

I quoted the link to the other site with the forbidden things. The reaction by the helpful user : "oh Weenie, is it allowed to post forbidden things to Lit? May I help you: And she send a link to the Lit rules".

And: Rex: I dont feel superior. In my job as moderator, I try my best, and it is ok to talk about problems. But interesting is: That there is someone who commands perfection for everything.

And with respect: to do my job in accordance with the Lit-rules is named censoring?

I dont censor free speech. I do my job in accordance with an understanding for the Literotica rules.

And Rex is right: I am open for every kind of advice.

@all: but please stop the Third Reich stuff: It dont belong to the discussion.

I still trust to the "have fun"thing. So long no Literotica-rule is not violated.

Weenie
P.S.
@Rex: I do not worry about the fact, that some postings get less attention. I think I am the moderator. Not the master-entertainer for the board. It is up to everyone, to decide, which subjects/postings are interesting and which ones are not.

question

if I do my job as moderator in accordance with the rules for Literotica. Why call some persons that censoring?

MelancholicDreamer said:

Das bedient deine Allmachtsphantasien ganz gut, was?
Der Spaß hört auf, wenn die Tätigkeit des Moderators dazu führt, gute Autoren zu vergraulen.

Der einfachste Weg diesen Streit zu beenden wäre über einen Mod demokratisch abzustimmen und diesen Job nicht durch anbiedern zu bekommen.

Wie ich sehe, zensiert du fleisig weiter.
Lit sollte ein Platz für Meinungsfreiheit sein und nicht für deutsche Gründlichkeit im - Mund verbieten

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That serves your fantasies of power very well, doesnt it? Every fun comes to an end if this behaviour turns out pretty good autors.

The easiest way to end this quarrel would be to vote in a democratic way for the mod and not to get this job by toadying to someone.

I just noticed you are going on in commiting censorship.
Lit should be a place of free speech and not give an example in German thoroughness in - shutting mouths

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I've never heard of a moderator being voted to his or her position on Lit. I'm not sure what the selection process is, but I don't believe that is it, nor would it necessarily be the best way.

Weenie,

No offense, but having this thread in English for Laurel's benefit seems a mute point. The question shouldn't be so much about what is said in this thread but about whether the rules of Lit were adhered to or not. I can't say since I didn't see the threads/posts in question, not to mention the disadvantage of my poor German.

In the end, no matter what happens, its all water under the bridge.

Nun, ich mochte entweder Leibesspiel oder Puffmais. Veilleicht beide.

Little Dictatorship

Weenieschnitzel said:

if I do my job as moderator in accordance with the rules for Literotica. Why call some persons that censoring?

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Nice to have you for discussion here.

Unfortunately you did much more than you now admit.

You deleted the "sticky thread" where N8Dreams complained about the stalking you did to her.

Deleting threads means to delete many posts, not one.

If the rules of Lit may be violated, its usually enough to delete this one offending post, not the whole thread.

Deleting threads means censorship and this violates the rules of Lit. Its against the intentions of Lit wanting to be a free speech area.

Additionally I very recommend you reread the rules of Lit. N8Dreams did nothing wrong.
In the notorious now deleted thread somebody asked for stories with animals. A story with an animal cant be bad otherwise you have to ban all fairy tales for instance "Little Riding Hood". N8Dreams posted a thread pointing to a search engine. Where is the violation of any rules?

By this behaviour Im badly reminded to the stiff necked Germans hurrying ahead of obediance, bending their back to their superiors and treating their subjects like dirt.

yes I deleted the "sticky thread". May I inform you that the starter of the thread was me?

And it is usual in Lit, that users ask the moderator to remove the threads started by a specific user on request.

You can think in that way: I asked the moderator to delete the thread started by Weenieschnitzel.

And the moderator Weenieschnitzel deleted the thread (by request of the user Weenieschnitzel).

And:: I removed yesterday a single posting by a user who threatened the moderator (see rule #5 of Literota).

And for the discussion: The deleted thread (the request with the animal stuff) have been deleted in accordance with the rule that bestality-stuff is not allowed to this site).

And it on you, if you have a problem with my decisions. You can always contact Laurel for complaints.

and with respect: a request for animal-stories means "just a question about fairy tales". Very interesting.

Weenieschnitzel said:

And for the discussion: The deleted thread (the request with the animal stuff) have been deleted in accordance with the rule that bestality-stuff is not allowed to this site).

And it on you, if you have a problem with my decisions. You can always contact Laurel for complaints.

and with respect: a request for animal-stories means "just a question about fairy tales". Very interesting.

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A question cant be wrong to the rules of Lit.
An answer pointing to a search engine never violates Lit rules regardless of its content.

Would be nice to get your definition of "threaten".
You deleted that sticky thread because N8Dreams complained your behaviour to her. I understand you didnt like this shown to public.

Instead of your weak defence you should look for getting N8Dreams back to the German Lit. May be an excuse might help, if you are able to do that.
I think its time you agree you did something wrong and mindless

I'm myself a moderator of a board and i know it sucks sometimes when the users mock up, but that's also part of the fun. Deleting a whole thread is the last thing a mod should do... it ruins a board.

Just my 2 cents.

MelancholicDreamer said:

A question cant be wrong to the rules of Lit.
An answer pointing to a search engine never violates Lit rules.

Instead of your weak defence you should look for getting N8Dreams back to the German Lit. May be an excuse might help, if you are able to do that.
I think its time you agree you did something wrong and mindless

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excuse me? you mean I have to excuse that I did my job as moderator?

Nobody is perfect, and I have no problems to admit, if I did something wrong.

But you want that I excuse, that I deleted a thread? With respect: please scroll up: The user who placed the question for K9-stuff agreed to that.

And the second thread I deleted: once again: I started the thread, so I asked the moderator to remove it.

And I also posted: For any complaints, you should contact Laurel directly.

btw: Do you know a site, where the moderators are elected by the users??

you mentioned that a question can not be wrong: very well: what would you suggest, if someone starts a thread about "I am looking for rape stories"?

Andreina said:

I'm myself a moderator of a board and i know it sucks sometimes when the users mock up, but that's also part of the fun. Deleting a whole thread is the last thing a mod should do... it ruins a board.

Just my 2 cents.

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I very wonder not all members of the German Lit scream out and protest when a thread gets deleted.
This takes off any ability to check what was going on.

Thanks for your reply Andreina

recommended excuse

Weenieschnitzel said:

excuse me? you mean I have to excuse that I did my job as moderator?

Nobody is perfect, and I have no problems to admit, if I did something wrong.

But you want that I excuse, that I deleted a thread? With respect: please scroll up: The user who placed the question for K9-stuff agreed to that.

And the second thread I deleted: once again: I started the thread, so I asked the moderator to remove it.

And I also posted: For any complaints, you should contact Laurel directly.

btw: Do you know a site, where the moderators are elected by the users??

you mentioned that a question can not be wrong: very well: what would you suggest, if someone starts a thread about "I am looking for rape stories"?

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An election would be a nice gesture of democracy and preventing you of any danger to be called dictatorship.
Nobody could call you then to have gotten these job by buttering up somebody's ass.
If you are sure doing a good job, why should you be afraid of doing that?

I very recommend your excuse to N8Dreams to get her back.
An excuse for you deleted her postings.
An excuse you overdid your job.

To ask a newbee for permission to delete his thread is not a big deal. Its your task as a moderator to teach and guide him. Not to ask him for permission to delete his thread.
Looking for rape stories (or animal* stories as he did): Simply you have to tell that guy this stuff is not permitted here and not to be found. That would be a kind and polite answer and everybody would be happy. And in passing a nice information for the other members.

This is not your personal playground.

Here are some serious adult people who doesnt like to get censored if their postings vanish "by chance" or your overkeen moods. You may lock a thread but never delete a once started thread regardless of its content even if its started by yourself - just from the moment another member has posted in it. If you have nothing to hide I dont understand why you are acting in such a not very smart way.

It turned out to me that you are anxious and afraid to do anything wrong - always afraid Laurel would round your ears. You should have a look to the English section where real violation of Lit's rule happens.

There is no need to be "The Always Perfect German".

Unquestioning obedience anticipating somebodys (Laurels) objections is typically German. Just this behaviour made the Third Reich running - and narrow minded people.

Again: deleting threads ruins a board. The other members cant follow what has happened. That might be nice for you but not for the other.
This means to rule other people. Ruling people is dictatorship. To supress strange opinions not fitting to your own is simply called dictatorship, an abuse of your power.
You deleted threads because of peanuts which wernt any, misinterpreting the rules of Lit.
You turned out oustanding authors of Lit without any reason. Thats a crime as long you cant fill this loss. We need urgently good authors for the German section as you know.

Btw, In opposite to you I like to discuss in public and share my complaints with the other people here and not hiding anything or by nasty PMs.

*the English term is "bestiality". Please add to your dictionary.

Faire Zensur ?

Die Sache hat ja ziemlich viel Staub aufgewirbelt. Und das verdient sie auch.

Zum 1.)
Das unerlaubte Beiträge gelöscht werden, ist ja OK und notwendig, aber wenn überreagiert wird, dient es der Sache wirklich nicht.
Daß Stories mit Tieren nicht erlaubt sind -nun gut (aber ich halte es für sehr merkwürdig, daß Stories erlaubt -und reichhaltig vorhanden sind, in denen Frauen vergewaltigt werde, - und das dann ganz toll finden).
Aber kann eine Frage verboten sein?
Und was die "Märchen" betrifft: Bei einer Geschichte, die mir bekannt ist, hat ein Mensch Sex mit einem Fabelwesen, das zwar einen halben Tierkörper hat, aber ein durchwegs menschliches Bewußtsein. Verboten?

Zum 2.)
Der gelöschte Beitrag von Weenie, der N8Dreams betrifft, enthält überhaupt nichts Verbotenes. (Ich habe den Beitrag noch auf meinen Rechner, er kam ja als email).
Meines Wissens hat N8dreams Weenie gar nicht öffentlich als Stalker bezeichnet, er hat sich da schon selber "geoutet". Selber einen threat anzufangen und ihn dann zu löschen, wenn die Antwort nicht so ausfällt wie gewünscht, ist schon etwas seltsam und ganz bestimmt nicht die Aufgabe eines Moderators, sondern ein glatter Mißbrauch.

3.)
Schlimm an der elektronischen Zensur ist, daß sie keine Spuren hinterläßt. Da waren die alten Medien, in denen geschwärzt wurde ja fast schon demokratisch.
Ich schlage vor, das zensierte Stellen oder Beiträge entsprechend gekennzeichnet werden (mit Angabe welche Regel verletzt wurde) und nicht einfach verschwinden.
Und: Der Zensierte muß sich öffentlich zur Wehr setzen können.

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I try it in english:

1.) That forbiden stories will be deleted is OK and necessary, but it is not appropriate when there is a overreaction.
That stories with animals are not allowed, well (but it is very strange that stories are allowed -and a lot are existing-, where women are raped and feeling fine)
But can a pure question be forbidden?
And concerning "tales": I knew a story where a man makes love with a mythical creature that has partly a animal body but a full human conscienness. Forbidden?

2.) In the post concerning N8dreams that was deleted by Weenie is nothing forbidden at all. (I have it on my computer, bacause I got it by mail) To my knowlege N8dreams had not even named Weenie als Stalker in public, he "outed" himself. To begin a thread and delete it, when the answer is not liked, is surely not the task of a moderator, it a pure misuse of his power.

3.) The bad thing of electronic censorship is, that it leaves no traces. The old media, where words or sentences were blackened, seems to be more "democratic" for me.
Therefore I suggest that all censored posts will be marked (with the notice of the violated rule). And the person whose post was deleted mus have the right to answer back in public.

MelancholicDreamer said:

I very wonder not all members of the German Lit scream out and protest when a thread gets deleted.
This takes off any ability to check what was going on.

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I cannot agree more.
All this "she said, he said" is obsolete once a thread was deleted.

I personally missed the said threat and now I find myself a jury member in a case where the main evidence is just *poooof*.

@ Weenie

Ok, you're the official moderator of this board and one of you're duties is deleting posts or threads - so far so good. But you as a lawyer should know that this is at least a questionable behaviour.
You asked yourself to delete the thread you started ? Oh my .... I have the feeling you should embrace the fact that you're not the navel of this lil world here.
As a moderator you might have deleted certain expressions, entire phrases even entire posts if they're violating any rule. Before that you might have warned the poster in advance giving him/her the chance to correct the post. Now it appears you're at least guilty for deleting evidences.

Now it seems like you're able to ruin the basic idea of an entire forum. I don't think that this was your intent.

Please accept my apologies

Um wieder Ruhe einkehren zu lassen:

Ich entschuldige mich dafür, falls ich die offiziellen Regeln für Literotica falsch angewendet habe. Es war nicht mein Bestreben User zu vergrätzen.

Um jedoch Wiederholungsfehler zu vermeiden, habe ich den Vorfall mit der Löschung auch an LAurel beichtet, mit der Bitte von Betreiberseite zu entscheiden, ob die Sache ok war oder nicht.

Bislang liegt mir noch keine Reakton vor.

Weiterhin gehe ich davon aus, dass wir eine Art von Gemeinschaft bilden, wo Probleme sachlich gelöst werden.

Niemand kann 100% perfekt sein, aber aus Fehlern kann man lernen.

-short translation for the first-

I apologize for the deleting a thread.

To prevent any problems in the future, I have the entire situation reported to Laurel, with a request, if my decision was ok or not.

Nobody is perfect, but mistakes can be helpful for the future.

An mir soll's nicht liegen.
Wichtig waere jetzt, dass auch n8dreams Deine Entschuldigung akzeptiert. Ich hoffe sie kommt zurueck.