Was Hitler a socialist or a capitalist?

Obviously it depends on the study you choose but yeah that upper 1% (which at the point we've allowed the income and wealth disparity to get barely matters now.) yeah, its pretty fucking static outside of a few genuine freaks.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5858195/

People didn't get fed up, what happened was Reagan broke the unions and then a bunch of useful idiots like you bought into the idea that a prosperous family where one parent could actually be dedicated to child rearing was a bad thing popped up and here we are. A place where even the Republicans have admitted our upward mobility is shit compared to European nations. There was no majority consensus for static wages and increased costs no matter what you've been hypnotized into thinking. It was a few rich people who had the power to starve everybody else to death if they so chose. A group of people so powerful that just over a decade ago marched into congress and declared "Save us or everybody dies" but you're fine being a hostage.

Yeah I'm find with the "mob" and we still and always had corrupt politicians. I'd rather the "corrupt" be in favor of the common man though.

Yeah, that whole people being in charge of their own affairs bites the majority of us and almost without fail them in the ass in the long run, its just not a sustainable model in the real fucking world.

The fact that you don't believe in Legacy means there is no point in discussing this with you and the rest you wouldn't believe no matter how many charts I brought up. You enjoy being part of the problem though.

Sean Renaud said:

Obviously it depends on the study you choose but yeah that upper 1% (which at the point we've allowed the income and wealth disparity to get barely matters now.) yeah, its pretty fucking static outside of a few genuine freaks.



People didn't get fed up, what happened was Reagan broke the unions and then a bunch of useful idiots like you bought into the idea that a prosperous family where one parent could actually be dedicated to child rearing was a bad thing popped up and here we are. A place where even the Republicans have admitted our upward mobility is shit compared to European nations. There was no majority consensus for static wages and increased costs no matter what you've been hypnotized into thinking. It was a few rich people who had the power to starve everybody else to death if they so chose. A group of people so powerful that just over a decade ago marched into congress and declared "Save us or everybody dies" but you're fine being a hostage.

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Wealth/income inequity has nothing to do with economic mobility.

Ok, Oprah and Dr.Dre were born worth BILLIONS and everyone's income is fixed by evil rich people when they are born......sure comrade

Except mine, literally every person I know and probably even you.

I'm not a hostage and I don't think a stay home parent is a bad thing.

If any group of people think having a 2nd parent around is a bad thing it's black Americans. That's what they get for following (D)z....the anti-family party.

Sean Renaud said:

Yeah I'm find with the "mob" and we still and always had corrupt politicians. I'd rather the "corrupt" be in favor of the common man though.

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Except that's NEVER happened, as soon as someone gets the power? They scam and use it to enrich themselves. Fucking the common man almost without fail.

Again, if union abuse, corruption and economically suicidal tendencies were so amazing for labor Reagan wouldn't have been able to go after them, much less while keeping (R)'z in power and getting Bush elected. You can hate all you want but he and the (R)'s of the 80's were popular. Unions were not and still are not, as they are a failed concept.

Sean Renaud said:

Yeah, that whole people being in charge of their own affairs bites the majority of us and almost without fail them in the ass in the long run, its just not a sustainable model in the real fucking world.

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The Korean peninsula as it exists currently totally invalidates your statement.


State control over peoples affairs and economic well being ( like in N. Korea) has never worked out....not once. No matter how many tens of millions the state murdered to preserve it's control over them.

Meanwhile in the 1st world like S. Korea, people being in charge of their own affairs has brought about more prosperity than any other humans have ever experienced. But according to you and all the other socialist all that liberty and prosperity is a bad thing because inequity.

Sean Renaud said:

The fact that you don't believe in Legacy means there is no point in discussing this with you and the rest you wouldn't believe no matter how many charts I brought up. You enjoy being part of the problem though.

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Charts won't change the definition of privilege nor will they make your parents/grandparents struggles and hardships your own or the fact that you and I both were born and raise in the era of equal rights and have never lived with white privilege.

Like I said, pointless to attempt to communicate with you because you live in this wonderful fantasy land that I wish I could live in with you.

Sean Renaud said:

Like I said, pointless to attempt to communicate with you because you live in this wonderful fantasy land that I wish I could live in with you.

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Says the guy who thinks Unions and socialism are wild successes and should be adopted by the far more successful liberals/capitalist....because becoming a 3rd world shit hole with a mass murdering government is "progress".

LOL

Unreal....

I don't think we were a third world shit hole between the Great Depression and the 1980s. I must have low standards.

Sean Renaud said:

I don't think we were a third world shit hole between the Great Depression and the 1980s. I must have low standards.

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Despite Unions and socialist best and continuing efforts to undermine us no less.

Thankfully our liberal society and capitalistic economy were too strong for the enemies of liberty and the USA.

Had the unions been allowed to continue strangling our economy to death and corruption our government, things would certainly have wound up differently.

Yeah, a place better than where we are now.

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Yeah, a place better than where we are now.

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How so?

Can you point to a single socialist state that is better than where we are now??

All the nation's doing better than we are right now all have more liberal capitalistic economies than we do.

The place where unions continued on, but at this point it doesn't matter. What's done is done and we just have to unfuck what was allowed to be destroyed.

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The place where unions continued on,

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All failed....the ones that didn't outright fail are flailing in stagnation because unions winning means they have gnaw the hand that feeds to death.

If they weren't such an obviously destructive, oppressive, failed concept and worked 1/2 as good as advertised by leftist ideologues they would be fare more popular.

You wouldn't need the government to put a gun to peoples heads to force them into it.

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What's done is done and we just have to unfuck what was allowed to be destroyed.

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Allowing authoritarian collectivist to destroy the incredible society/economy we've built because they can't figure out a hustle for themselves is the exact opposite of that.

Letting sore losers run things has never worked out anywhere, ever.

Worked out fine for America and you've lived in CA, you know good and damn well you have to hold a gun to someones head to make them do the right thing. How many times have we heard the "Oh I could have paid $30 with my taxes but my house won't catch fire" and then the fire department comes out to watch their house burn. I seem to distinctly recall Perry was talking about programs to cut in 2012, then his state caught fire and it wasn't the appropriate time to talk about cuts to FEMA. Similar story from Christie in the wake of Sandy later that year.

People are short sighted as fuck.

Sean Renaud said:

Worked out fine for America

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That must be why America rejected it and blew up in the prosperity department.

Sean Renaud said:

and you've lived in CA,

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Yea...and I left it, because it's turning into a fucking dump where a massively top heavy tightly controlled economy allows only the elites to make money while forcing the rest into wage slavery.

Just like most corrupt leftist economies/states.

Glad I cashed out when I did, hyper inflated housing prices have stalled out as the middle class flees.

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you know good and damn well you have to hold a gun to someones head to make them do the right thing.

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No, you don't....unless "the right thing" is against their own interest, like with unions and socialism.

Sean Renaud said:

How many times have we heard the "Oh I could have paid $30 with my taxes but my house won't catch fire" and then the fire department comes out to watch their house burn.

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And they suffer the consequences.

Not my problem...stupid should hurt.

Of course it becomes my problem when some lefty comes along and decides their stupid decision gives them a right to my labor/time and infringe upon my pursuit of happiness.

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People are short sighted as fuck.

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Yes, much like the people who still think punishing the community as a whole for that short sightedness is a good alternative to letting the short sighted suffer the consequences of their short sightedness....despite that strategy always resulting in total failure and destruction of that community every time and everywhere it's been tried.

There was no explosion of prosperity if anything there was a diminishing of prosperity.

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There was no explosion of prosperity if anything there was a diminishing of prosperity.

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From 1980 to now??

Stats say otherwise...**** 20% blew the fuck up.
https://media2.giphy.com/media/nv6HcRbIv6IZa/giphy.gif


Mid 40% mad decent gains and the wage slaves stagnated. I think you're conflating equity with prosperity.

Equity and prosperity are mutually exclusive, you can have one or the other, never both.

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/income-poverty/historical-income-households.html

https://www.advisorperspectives.com/images/content_image/data/07/07ff29d2e2e637e5c74515d2282051bc.png
https://www.advisorperspectives.com...6/u-s-household-incomes-a-50-year-perspective

According to your own stats the bottom 80% stagnated. But yeah, blew up.

And no, not only are equity and prosperity not mutually exclusive they generally go hand in hand. But we're done, you're immune to facts and everybody knows it.

Botanical11B said:

Despite Unions and socialist best and continuing efforts to undermine us no less.

Thankfully our liberal society and capitalistic economy were too strong for the enemies of liberty and the USA.

Had the unions been allowed to continue strangling our economy to death and corruption our government, things would certainly have wound up differently.

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What's crazy about your argument is that union membership is at all time lows, and yet economic inequality is at all time highs.

Probably just a coincidence.

Sean Renaud said:

According to your own stats the bottom 80% stagnated. But yeah, blew up.

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The bottom 40% stagnated.

Everyone else gained.

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And no, not only are equity and prosperity not mutually exclusive they generally go hand in hand.

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Then why did socialism and communism fail so horribly?

If that's true N. Korea and Cuba should be the richest, most advanced and prosperous nations on the planet....Venezuela would be buying us out.

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But we're done, you're immune to facts and everybody knows it.

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Says the guy claiming communism and unions were a wild successes.

Projection is why you're done.

jonjonz68 said:

What's crazy about your argument is that union membership is at all time lows, and yet economic inequality is at all time highs.

Probably just a coincidence.

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So??? That's just more evidence unions were holding us back.

If forcing economic equity via authority were a positive thing that resulted in prosperity then communism/socialism would be the dominant economic/political model.

The Soviet Union would not have fallen, N. Korea, Cuba and Venezuela would all be behind them running the planet.

China, would not depend on stealing from everyone to not be a totally dystopian shit hole.

But that's just not the case is it??

The authoritarian pursuit of economic/wealth equity never worked out. In fact it was pretty fucking horrendous and caused some of the worst human tragedies in recorded history.