First "Loving Wives" story, what kind is it?

[Naughtylit81]

I guess to preface I am not even sure that this is going to get published in Loving Wives because quite frankly the reputation for that category is a bit overwhelming. That said this is a story where the major hook is cheating so my starting point in LW and I will see where it actually lands once it is publication ready.

Okay, that said, I am working on a story where a wife and a husband who are not married to each other end up having an affair at their church. They are written to be semi-sympathetic in they are both in bad marriages and kind of fall into the whole situation when friendship goes further. Her husband is a bully, his wife is a controlling nag. That kind of thing. As I write I am trying to only provide enough information on their respective spouses to give the reader insight into the motivation without detouring into huge scenes that focus on their marriages because the story is about their relationship, be that physical or emotional.

So its not a cuck story, at least not how that style of story has evolved. I don't view it as a hot wife story. I don't think it is a BtB. Is there another sub-genre I am unfamiliar with? Is there a nuance of cuck/hot wife/BtB that I am missing which would make this fit there? Knowing full well that I am free to call it whatever I want and I don't have to fit neatly in a category since this is my first time foraying into this genre I think it will help me understand it better if I have some concept of where it fits in the reader defined spaces that make up the genre.

 

[TheWritingGroup]

It can go wherever you put it, within reason. (For instance, I suspect Laurel would not accept it for Incest/Taboo or Nonhuman.)

The rep is that Loving Wives is a split between "fun sex outside marriage" and "burn the bitch" readers, each half of which punishes stories they don't like with low ratings and mean comments. So, you get a big but partly-hostile audience for any story. If you have a thick skin, that might be fine, you can get a lot of readers. Otherwise, you could just use Erotic Couplings or Mature or whatever other category also fits.

-Rocco

 

[SimonDoom]

If they're not married, it's not a Loving Wives story. It's something else. Is there another kinky aspect to the affair? Anal? Exhibitionism? Fetish? If not then it might be appropriate for Erotic Couplings, which is a catch all for male-female erotic relationships that don't fit neatly in other categories.

 

[Lumiere_Amie]

IMHO it doesn’t fit in LW unless one of the spouses discovers the affair and it becomes either a burn-the-bitch/bastard it a cuckhold/cuckquean story. I would say the best category would be Erotic Couplings, but it all depends on how you wrap up the ending. I’ve read a How To about choosing categories, I’ll find it and update this reply with a link.

Here’s the link

https://www.literotica.com/s/love-your-readers-categories

 

[lovecraft68]

If this were me-on the condition the two people cheating aren't just doing it for sex, but there is an emotional connection-I'd consider romance.

As for LW though, I really think it would take a beating because its not a consensual swinging scenario which takes the fun extra marital crowd out of it. They're also both cheating so all factions of anti-infidelity will pound this thing hard. Understand the moralists over there don't want to hear "well, they're in bad marriages' They are inflexible in their moral views of fictional people.

I don't see much of a chance for it there.

The other option is Erotic Couplings. Pretty much a catchall category which doesn't have anywhere near the size readership of LW, but they tend to be a more accepting group

 

[Lifestyle66]

I guess to preface I am not even sure that this is going to get published in Loving Wives because quite frankly the reputation for that category is a bit overwhelming. That said this is a story where the major hook is cheating so my starting point in LW and I will see where it actually lands once it is publication ready.

Okay, that said, I am working on a story where a wife and a husband who are not married to each other end up having an affair at their church. They are written to be semi-sympathetic in they are both in bad marriages and kind of fall into the whole situation when friendship goes further. Her husband is a bully, his wife is a controlling nag. That kind of thing. As I write I am trying to only provide enough information on their respective spouses to give the reader insight into the motivation without detouring into huge scenes that focus on their marriages because the story is about their relationship, be that physical or emotional.

So its not a cuck story, at least not how that style of story has evolved. I don't view it as a hot wife story. I don't think it is a BtB. Is there another sub-genre I am unfamiliar with? Is there a nuance of cuck/hot wife/BtB that I am missing which would make this fit there? Knowing full well that I am free to call it whatever I want and I don't have to fit neatly in a category since this is my first time foraying into this genre I think it will help me understand it better if I have some concept of where it fits in the reader defined spaces that make up the genre.

I'll buck the curve of those other opinions here and point out REALITY.

Loving Wives is "Extra-marital fun, sharing, and more..." No where in that description does it say "cuck/hot wife/BTB"! Those are just the opinions with some examples of the nuances of extra-marital sex. And it sounds like your story is yet another type of extra-marital sex, since they are both married.

So, the story of a husband and wife stepping out of their respective marriages to find companionship would be appropriately place in Loving Wives.

Stories in LW told from the wife's lover (in some cases called her bull) POV can actually receive high ratings. What the haters don't like is when they perceive a wife almost randomly stepping out of her marriage, with her perfect husband willingly or cluelessly be caught by surprise by a cheating slut. When told from her or her husband's POV, they hate that she's doing it and getting away with it. But when told from her lover's POV, they might feel like the worthless husband got what he deserved.

In the case your story presents, the wife has good reason to get away from her abusive husband. And the cheating husband has good reason to get away from his nagging wife. So, IMO, it would be a good test case to see the LW audience reactions! (IF you have to strength to take some still shitty comments by the half-wit readers there who "skim" stories and ignorantly comment without reading the details.)

EDIT: Of course, I am biased in that I enjoy jerking the chains of the LW half-wits, "ratings be damned"!

 

[Naughtylit81]

If they're not married, it's not a Loving Wives story. It's something else. Is there another kinky aspect to the affair? Anal? Exhibitionism? Fetish? If not then it might be appropriate for Erotic Couplings, which is a catch all for male-female erotic relationships that don't fit neatly in other categories.

There is a thematic kink (is that a term?) which centers heavily around them being "church people" and several times they will have sexual contact in their church. They will both be very self aware about the fact they are cheating and how this is incongrueous with their beliefs.

Beyond that the arc is her having a sexual awakening with a partner who has had to repress his desires due to an unwilling partner. They will explore most standard kinks like anal, she will have a same sex experience, and indulge in a little exhibitionism. That sort of thing.

The conclusion as to if they are discovered, reveal the affair, end it, or build a double life is undecided at the moment.

 

[Lifestyle66]

There is a thematic kink (is that a term?) which centers heavily around them being "church people" and several times they will have sexual contact in their church. They will both be very self aware about the fact they are cheating and how this is incongrueous with their beliefs.

Beyond that the arc is her having a sexual awakening with a partner who has had to repress his desires due to an unwilling partner. They will explore most standard kinks like anal, she will have a same sex experience, and indulge in a little exhibitionism. That sort of thing.

The conclusion as to if they are discovered, reveal the affair, end it, or build a double life is undecided at the moment.

Don't let them distract you with the relatively minor offshoots of "anal" or any particular kink.

The appropriate category is that which the majority of the story arc covers, and in your case, it sounds like it that "married, but cheating". So, I still recommend sticking with LW!

 

[lovecraft68]

I'll buck the curve of those other opinions here and point out REALITY.

Loving Wives is "Extra-marital fun, sharing, and more..." No where in that description does it say "cuck/hot wife/BTB"! Those are just the opinions with some examples of the nuances of extra-marital sex. And it sounds like your story is yet another type of extra-marital sex, since they are both married.

So, the story of a husband and wife stepping out of their respective marriages to find companionship would be appropriately place in Loving Wives.

Stories in LW told from the wife's lover (in some cases called her bull) POV can actually receive high ratings. What the haters don't like is when they perceive a wife almost randomly stepping out of her marriage, with her perfect husband willingly or cluelessly be caught by surprise by a cheating slut. When told from her or her husband's POV, they hate that she's doing it and getting away with it. But when told from her lover's POV, they might feel like the worthless husband got what he deserved.

In the case your story presents, the wife has good reason to get away from her abusive husband. And the cheating husband has good reason to get away from his nagging wife. So, IMO, it would be a good test case to see the LW audience reactions! (IF you have to strength to take some still shitty comments by the half-wit readers there who "skim" stories and ignorantly comment without reading the details.)

EDIT: Of course, I am biased in that I enjoy jerking the chains of the LW half-wits, "ratings be damned"!

They're asking where it would be better served, not what the breakdown of readership is. Maybe they don't want to be trolled into oblivion.

Also, read my post, there is nothing in the story that really appeals to either major faction there.

I hate to break it to you, but you and your buddies Gamnblinghuck or whatever his name is, and NTH do not run that category, nor do you know everything about, even though you think you do.

Lit is a vast site with a lot of categories and different dynamics and not every story is meant for every category.

Its ultimately the OP's choice, but you're trying to talk them into taking a beating. Just because your or I don't care if we take a beating doesn't mean they don't care.

I'd opt for EC. But who am I? Other than someone who knows a lot more than just one category on the site?

 

[Lifestyle66]

They're asking where it would be better served, not what the breakdown of readership is. Maybe they don't want to be trolled into oblivion.

Also, read my post, there is nothing in the story that really appeals to either major faction there.

I hate to break it to you, but you and your buddies Gamnblinghuck or whatever his name is, and NTH do not run that category, nor do you know everything about, even though you think you do.

Lit is a vast site with a lot of categories and different dynamics and not every story is meant for every category.

Its ultimately the OP's choice, but you're trying to talk them into taking a beating. Just because your or I don't care if we take a beating doesn't mean they don't care.

I'd opt for EC. But who am I? Other than someone who knows a lot more than just one category on the site?

You forgot to regurgitate your standard "THEY"RE A BUNCH OF MISOGYNISTS IN LW!

I did warn the OP in my post it takes the strength to withstand the shitty comments.

But, the story described by the OP is about extra-marital sex. It's the cowards who don't stand up to the bullies, who allow the bullies to continue doing what they do! I'm just not hiding in a cave, greedily rubbing my hands together as I gaze at Red-H's saying, "My precious!"

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I guess to preface I am not even sure that this is going to get published in Loving Wives because quite frankly the reputation for that category is a bit overwhelming. That said this is a story where the major hook is cheating so my starting point in LW and I will see where it actually lands once it is publication ready.

Okay, that said, I am working on a story where a wife and a husband who are not married to each other end up having an affair at their church. They are written to be semi-sympathetic in they are both in bad marriages and kind of fall into the whole situation when friendship goes further. Her husband is a bully, his wife is a controlling nag. That kind of thing. As I write I am trying to only provide enough information on their respective spouses to give the reader insight into the motivation without detouring into huge scenes that focus on their marriages because the story is about their relationship, be that physical or emotional.

So its not a cuck story, at least not how that style of story has evolved. I don't view it as a hot wife story. I don't think it is a BtB. Is there another sub-genre I am unfamiliar with? Is there a nuance of cuck/hot wife/BtB that I am missing which would make this fit there? Knowing full well that I am free to call it whatever I want and I don't have to fit neatly in a category since this is my first time foraying into this genre I think it will help me understand it better if I have some concept of where it fits in the reader defined spaces that make up the genre.

I covered a similar trope in "Our Love Saga" and it fit well into Romance. My characters met at work and developed a supporting friendship that evolved into more once they had both left their respective spouses.

Even if your characters move into the infidelity aspect while one or both are still married, Romance could still be a good category for it as described.

 

[Plathfan]

Romance is a reasonable option, but if you’re not aiming for a sappy HEA, I’m not sure it would perform much better there than in LW.

Don’t take the title Loving Wives literally. It carries irony with a chauvinistic wink, otherwise, it would have been Loving Spouses. The main topic is extramarital fun, and people wouldn’t cheat if it weren’t fun, so it fits.

Since both characters are in toxic relationships, readers might be more forgiving. Still, regardless of the category you choose, commenters will likely ask why they aren’t resolving things “properly,” divorcing their abusers and coming together in a healthier way. If you have an effective answer for that, the story could do reasonably well. Resolving the moral conflict could even make it shine.

While LW’s bad reputation is well-deserved, to their credit, if a story is well-written and not deliberately provocative, even if they dislike the content, they won’t go out of their way to downvote it.

BTW, cheaters having anal sex in a church might make some people feel uncomfortable.

 

[SimonDoom]

The appropriate category is that which the majority of the story arc covers, and in your case, it sounds like it that "married, but cheating". So, I still recommend sticking with LW!

The reason I don't agree is that in this story, as described by the OP, the marriage is not the focus. In Loving Wives stories, of whatever type, the marriage is central to the story. I don't see that here. It seems to me that every type of Loving Wives reader will be disappointed in the focus of this story. It's not cuckold. It's not hot wife. It's not reconciliation at all cost. It's not "punish the wife."

 

[Lifestyle66]

The reason I don't agree is that in this story, as described by the OP, the marriage is not the focus. In Loving Wives stories, of whatever type, the marriage is central to the story. I don't see that here. It seems to me that every type of Loving Wives reader will be disappointed in the focus of this story. It's not cuckold. It's not hot wife. It's not reconciliation at all cost. It's not "punish the wife."

Well, respectfully, if the focus IS on extra-marital sex and their enjoyment of it over their depressing spouses, then it fits the LW definition.

Those words "cuckold", "hot wife", "RAAC", and "BTB" are personal opinions injected by others trying to usurp that original definition.

Focus: It's on the Literotica page as: "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more."

EDIT: But I could agree with Bobby above, that if the story ends with their divorces and a new, couping for a "happily ever after", it might fall into Romance. It just depends on how the story plays out.

BTW: I have at least three stories in LW which do not involve cheating, cuckolds, RAAC, or BTB, and they're some of my better rated stories at over 3.5 (I'm a shitty author). The LW audience has readers who appreciate just a loving couple having sexual fun together. IE: The Loving Wife -- 750 Words it's at 3.78/575 votes with 16K views.
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Comment:
by Anonymous user on 02/08/2024

Almost unbelievable in this Cucking Wives category: a slut wife, but only for her husband ! Such very rare event certainly deserves a full positive rating: 5 full stars !
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[Britva415]

Those words "cuckold", "hot wife", "RAAC", and "BTB" are personal opinions injected by others trying to usurp that original definition.

I feel like it’s rather that the category had been filled with stories which aren’t about what’s in the description. The “usurpers” are just calling it what they see.

 

[RetroFan]

If they're not married, it's not a Loving Wives story. It's something else. Is there another kinky aspect to the affair? Anal? Exhibitionism? Fetish? If not then it might be appropriate for Erotic Couplings, which is a catch all for male-female erotic relationships that don't fit neatly in other categories.

I had negative feedback on a LW story I published once because the husband and wife were already separated, the husband (an organized crime boss) on remand in prison with his equally crooked brothers and the hot trophy wife (who reported him to the police after he cut back her spending allowance) in witness protection. This was despite the wife openly boasting to the detective narrating the story about how much she loved cheating on her husband when they were together. I've seen other stories in the category where there is a cheating girlfriend, fiancee or de facto spouse rather than an actual wife get similar comments. And although the story got some good reviews and did feature a wife cheating on her husband which ultimately resulted in divorce, some readers claimed that my Titanic story earlier this year was not a LW story as it was historical fiction, and historical fiction apparently does not belong in LW.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I feel like it’s rather that the category had been filled with stories which aren’t about what’s in the description. The “usurpers” are just calling it what they see.

There's a significant faction looking for stories of cheating wives, getting what the reader feels they deserve for destroying the "perfect" husband's trust.

I'd guess there are divorced men out there who feel their wives were the downfall of the marriage. Maybe the guys were jealous of a wife talking to other men. Maybe it's an unfair judgement or some wives who really did cheat.

But if those divorce men are looking for such cheating wife stories, where else in the Literotica descriptions would they look for the "wife having extra-marital fun" ... even though they want her to get caught and punished? So, it doesn't surprise me that those types of readers would HATE swingers or sharing stories, where the wife is having fun. They couldn't do it with their own wives and are now divorced.

I don't judge. I just take their shitty comments and shrug thinking "Well, who didn't see that "1" coming?"

My next story is almost 8k words along now, and I KNOW it will start out below 2.0 and probably grow to just over 3.0. It's the LW audience and they've come to expect it from me (along with some personal haters here who follow me JUST to 1-bomb it out of the gate).

But if NO ONE posts "extra-marital FUN, swinging and sharing" stories to Loving Wives, ... who wins? The Haters!

 

[Britva415]

Someone mentioned the double-standard inherent in the category. A complaint of mine is that there's no good place to (publish or) look for cheating-husband stories.

 

[Britva415]

if NO ONE posts "extra-marital FUN, swinging and sharing" stories to Loving Wives, ... who wins?

People make it sound like the most un-fun category we have. Not just in the sense of commenters who say (with varying degrees of politeness, or none) "I didn't have fun reading that," yucking someone else's yum, but like... Where's the sexy yum in BTB stories? RAAC has its own kind of sadness to it. Non-con forced-cuck stories appear to be over-represented compared to the hotwife/willing cuck type.

If the category's not fun, it's because people aren't posting fun to it. I certainly wasn't suggesting that they shouldn't, more, lamenting that they don't. At least, not in any volume sufficient to move the needle on how the category is perceived.

 

[lovecraft68]

But if NO ONE posts "extra-marital FUN, swinging and sharing" stories to Loving Wives, ... who wins? The Haters!

In general, I agree, but in this instance, the OP's story doesn't fit in either of those. Even 'extra marital fun" is a bit off the table because these people aren't swinging, they are having an affair because their homelives are miserable. Its not exactly a fun fantasy. It's why I mentioned considering it a bit of a romance, albeit a possibly sad and not cut and dried one.

Honestly, I'd be tempted to write something like this and put it in romance to see how it would do.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Someone mentioned the double-standard inherent in the category. A complaint of mine is that there's no good place to (publish or) look for cheating-husband stories.

Write the cheating husband stories and POST!

People make it sound like the most un-fun category we have. Not just in the sense of commenters who say (with varying degrees of politeness, or none) "I didn't have fun reading that," yucking someone else's yum, but like... Where's the sexy yum in BTB stories? RAAC has its own kind of sadness to it. Non-con forced-cuck stories appear to be over-represented compared to the hotwife/willing cuck type.

If the category's not fun, it's because people aren't posting fun to it. I certainly wasn't suggesting that they shouldn't, more, lamenting that they don't. At least, not in any volume sufficient to move the needle on how the category is perceived.

The current story I'm writing will have the wife going out to fuck with her husband's permission. But later, she'll send him out in the same manner. MOST of my stories are about FUN sharing and swingers. And there are other authors writing those too.

But the cheating husband stories are tougher to frame in any realistic way. Just based on male-female physiology, I KNOW my wife could cheat on me and keep me clueless for some time, because she could handle several other men, and STILL take care of me without me getting suspicious.

But if I fucked another woman, my wife might soon become suspicious when I'm not suggesting or asking for sex with her as often. So, a realistic cheating husband story almost comes across as "why wasn't the wife paying attention to his needs and routines?"

One story I wrote "Hot Wife-ing Gone Wrong" has the husband "cheating" at a swinger party. And the wife gets back at him. It's actually a very positive RAAC story about fantasies and limits within the couple's marriage.

 

[Britva415]

Write the cheating husband stories and POST!

I kind of do.

a realistic cheating husband story almost comes across as "why wasn't the wife paying attention to his needs and routines?"

This is answered in my stories.

I guess it could technically count as "loving wives," even though she's not the one having the fun.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I kind of do.


This is answered in my stories.

I guess it could technically count as "loving wives," even though she's not the one having the fun.

Did you read my "Hot Wife-ing..." story? Is that the kind of "burn the bastard" story you're interested in?

But that was how I saw it when trying to come up with a scenario where the husband could "cheat" and the wife gets back at him. She didn't want anything to do with swinging, but he was the one dragging her into a reluctant scenario. She just laid down her rules, which he violated. And she got even!

They're a "loving couple", who went astray.

 

[Britva415]

Is that the kind of "burn the bastard" story you're interested in?

Where did I say I'm into "burn the bastard?" I'm not. I'm pretty sure I said that shit isn't fun.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Where did I say I'm into "burn the bastard?" I'm not. I'm pretty sure I said that shit isn't fun.

Someone mentioned the double-standard inherent in the category. A complaint of mine is that there's no good place to (publish or) look for cheating-husband stories.

Well, I apologize, I ASSumed that you were looking for the LW equivalent of the Burn the Bitch stories with those cheating husbands.