The Deal With Loving Wives

[Rakishpaddy]

My question is this - what's so scary about the loving wives catego

 

[Lifestyle66]

Hi, I'm a new member here and wannabe author. I currently have several stories nearing completion and will be hopefully publishing something very soon.
My question is this - what's so scary about the loving wives category ? I keep coming across references to it in the forums that make it sound as if anyone publishing there must need there head examined. I don't get it. I have trawled through as many stories (and comments) as much as any one person reasonably can and have found nothing untoward. I have mostly found the stories bland, for my tastes, and the comments likewise. So what's the deal. Why the bad reputation?
I am currently finishing a very short humorous piece titled 'The God-Fearing Wife' or possibly 'Eat My (Dog) Shit' that I feel is perfect for the category.
Am I likely to get death threats if I offend someone. I'm serious. I don't want none of those.
Thanks
R.Paddy

I post MOST of my stories to Loving Wives.

If you want the most VIEWS as your metric of success, then Loving Wives or Incest are the categories to post.

But, while LW gives you the most views (all other things considered such as title, description, and initial reactions turning off future views), there are two factions in the LW audience.

About 50% of that audience enjoy FUN extra-marital sex. They will judge you story due to the creativity, grammar, and writing style. And if it's good, that 50% of the readers will rate it a 4 or 5.

BUT there's about 40% of the LW readers who HATE (with a 1 rating) any story in which the wife has fun with a man other than her husband! They HATE swingers or consensual sharing! And they'll leave shitty comments when there's any fun extra-marital sex. They believe that marriage or a boyfriend/girlfriend commitment means MONOGAMOUS sex, and that cheaters must be punished. If your story punishes the cheater, they'll rate it a 5. But that means those readers wanting fun sex will rate it a 2.

As long as you have a thick skin and can take comments such as "Eat shit and die!" (Yes, i've received exactly that in all caps), then you might appreciate the higher numbers of views. You're actually getting people to READ your story!

But if you need the ratings to feel like you've done good, then steer away from Loving Wives. You'll get higher ratings in Erotic Couplings, First Time, or anything else!

EDIT: If you post to any category beside Loving Wives, you'll probably get almost a 1.0 higher rating, but about half the readership.

 

[Areala-chan]

Yeah, the deal with "Loving Wives" is that two tribes of roughly equal ferocity lay claim to the same territory.

The first tribe demands cheaters be punished for their transgressions, and the more vicious, callous, and extreme the punishment, the happier they like it.

The second tribe prefers to see jilted partners reconcile, regardless of how extreme the transgression and how unlikely the odds would be of successfully repairing the damage in real life.

Pleasing one means failing to please the other, and you will be pilloried by whichever one your story does not entertain, and either way you're likely to get people happy to tell you what you can do with yourself for failing to entertain them.

I'd suggest making an alt account specifically for posting to that category, as irrational readers can be all too happy to rampage through the rest of your authorial output and review/comment bomb everything.

But, yeah, like @Lifestyle66 said, if you're looking for a whole bunch of eyes on your story, the only other place offering anything close to that is Incest/Taboo. Loving Wives will get you seen, but you have to learn to appreciate the audience for what it is.

 

[WCSGarland]

I just submitted my first story for the LW category. I'm not sure which crowd will like it or hate it. I didn't think to create an alternate though. Oh well. If they rage bomb the rest of my works, I guess that will be extra views at least.

 

[Cagivagurl]

The Loving wives category is OK...
I have posted a couple of stories in there, and had mixed reactions.
If you want high views, then it's probably the second most viewed category. In my opinion, that's a good thing.
As others have mentioned, there are a couple of opposing teams who read LW stories.
So long as you have a thick skin, it's a good place to post. Yes, you will get a few nasty comments, but if you put them aside, most readers will judge you fairly.

It is made out to be a cess pit, the reality is, it's fine. It's like school, there's some finger pointing and some name calling but if you are able to turn the other cheek.
You'll be OK... Just don't take it to heart.

Cagivagurl

 

[magic_rat]

It's odd that those morally outraged by swinging and generally non-monogamous behaviour are totally fine with stories about people fucking their kids. Go figure.

 

[Britva415]

The first tribe demands cheaters be punished for their transgressions, and the more vicious, callous, and extreme the punishment, the happier they like it.

The second tribe prefers to see jilted partners reconcile, regardless of how extreme the transgression and how unlikely the odds would be of successfully repairing the damage in real life.

And neither one of them seems to appreciate the stated purpose/intent of LW, which isn't about burning bitches or bastards, nor is it about jilting, transgression and damage.

The category description says

Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more.

These couples don't have to reconcile because this is talking about ethical nonmonogamy, permissiveness, and participation.

I don't see cuckolding, cheating or drama there. Doesn't stop writers from publishing this stuff there.

 

[MyBareTorso]

My sole experience there was pretty benign. It was a consensual, fun, sharing story in which the husband was not shamed or humiliated and all fuck-parties had a great time.

I got a lot more views than normal, a good score, and just two (very) nasty comments from anti-cuck haters. Don't run in fear, it's okay (I think) as long as the husband character isn't belittled or abused too much...

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I just submitted my first story for the LW category. I'm not sure which crowd will like it or hate it. I didn't think to create an alternate though. Oh well. If they rage bomb the rest of my works, I guess that will be extra views at least.

I haven't experienced any noticeable effect on my stories in other categories as "spill-over" from those in Loving wives. I currently have 28 stories posted in 7 different categories. The average score for stories in categories other than Loving Wives is 4.58, while the average score within Loving Wives is 4.15.

I can live with that.

 

[SimonDoom]

It's odd that those morally outraged by swinging and generally non-monogamous behaviour are totally fine with stories about people fucking their kids. Go figure.

Bingo.

But you can't try to make sense of people's kinky interests. They are what they are.

 

[WCSGarland]

Well, so far at least one bombed it saying that the story was in the wrong category. But, they left feedback for the 1 vote, so there is that.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Yeah, the deal with "Loving Wives" is that two tribes of roughly equal ferocity lay claim to the same territory.

The first tribe demands cheaters be punished for their transgressions, and the more vicious, callous, and extreme the punishment, the happier they like it.

The second tribe prefers to see jilted partners reconcile, regardless of how extreme the transgression and how unlikely the odds would be of successfully repairing the damage in real life.

Pleasing one means failing to please the other, and you will be pilloried by whichever one your story does not entertain, and either way you're likely to get people happy to tell you what you can do with yourself for failing to entertain them.

I'd suggest making an alt account specifically for posting to that category, as irrational readers can be all too happy to rampage through the rest of your authorial output and review/comment bomb everything.

But, yeah, like @Lifestyle66 said, if you're looking for a whole bunch of eyes on your story, the only other place offering anything close to that is Incest/Taboo. Loving Wives will get you seen, but you have to learn to appreciate the audience for what it is.

I've yet to see demands for punishment of male cheaters, but maybe they are in that multitude of comments somewhere.

Readers are irrational because most humans are irrational. Being anonymous gives added cover, although some use their profile names.

 

[PapaRomantic]

I've had voters in Loving Wives who had some of my work there so much that they 1-bomb some of my stories in other categories. Nice to know I have that kind of impact.

At the same time, the story series I wrote from the "bull's" perspective all scored in the 4.5 to 4.6 range. Seems to be okay when the male MC is creating the "cheating" the LW crowd hates so much.

I posted several stories in there, but my thick skin lasted only so long and I won't put anything there again.

 

[MillieDynamite]

If it is interracial cuckolding, you can move over to the IR and give that a try. I think the Wollstonecraftwoman post is there most of the time.

I've had voters in Loving Wives who had some of my work there so much that they 1-bomb some of my stories in other categories. Nice to know I have that kind of impact.

At the same time, the story series I wrote from the "bull's" perspective all scored in the 4.5 to 4.6 range. Seems to be okay when the male MC is creating the "cheating" the LW crowd hates so much.

I posted several stories in there, but my thick skin lasted only so long and I won't put anything there again.

 

[Flybynite1892]

Hi, I'm a new member here and wannabe author. I currently have several stories nearing completion and will be hopefully publishing something very soon.
My question is this - what's so scary about the loving wives category ? I keep coming across references to it in the forums that make it sound as if anyone publishing there must need there head examined. I don't get it. I have trawled through as many stories (and comments) as much as any one person reasonably can and have found nothing untoward. I have mostly found the stories bland, for my tastes, and the comments likewise. So what's the deal. Why the bad reputation?
I am currently finishing a very short humorous piece titled 'The God-Fearing Wife' or possibly 'Eat My (Dog) Shit' that I feel is perfect for the category.
Am I likely to get death threats if I offend someone. I'm serious. I don't want none of those.
Thanks
R.Paddy

I'd also say - depending on the details of your story, and just based on you saying the stories you have read there are "bland" - you also might consider publishing in the BDSM category. I've written a handful of cuckold/ethical non-monogamy stories, and I always put them in BDSM rather than LW. Those stories did all right, and people were pretty cool about it. Granted, there was a lot of pain and humiliation in those stories as well, so I think it's important to keep that in mind, but I do think, if you're trying to "market" a story like that, you have some options.

LW in general - and the sheer heat of the debate between the two sides - was always fascinating to me. Like, being that upset - on a site dedicated to erotica of all things - about a consensual adult arrangement (or even just a cheating story involving adults) always blew me away.

 

[Inkent]

I've written some fairly emotional stuff in there, both RAAC and BTB. The comments are just as polar - some will batter a story, then praise the next, simply on their own personal views.

I agree with the comments of some of the regular LW posters in this thread. Don't take the negative feedback to heart where they are venting because of their own values, you can always delete those from the real bellends where the comment is a personal dig at you or their perceived views on who you are and bugger all to do with the story or the your writing ability.

Where they lambust me for how 'hard' I come down on some characters I see as a plus, it means they've likely become really immersed in the story.

If the comments worry you, turn them off, other than the very small percentage of haters, it's useful to see them if you want to develop your writing skills. And if you do like me ,I sit having a good 'ole chuckle to myself when someone is desperate to tell they've given me one star because I used a black cat, and not a ginger cat in a story

 

[Lifestyle66]

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If the comments worry you, turn them off, other than the very small percentage of haters, it's useful to see them if you want to develop your writing skills. And if you do like me ,I sit having a good 'ole chuckle to myself when someone is desperate to tell they've given me one star because I used a black cat, and not a ginger cat in a story

I recommend keeping comments on. Turning them off is "throwing the baby out with the bath water." You'll miss the good ones too.

On my Loving Wife story "Aftermath, or "I Can't Go for That"", I have some bad comments like:
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by JusReadin4Now on 09/23/2024

WTF! so the bad guys win, a sluts inner desires of liking to be raped and made air-tight...I really didnt need to read this...Im sorry I did
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But if I turned comments off, I'd miss:
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by alfa_aardvark22 on 06/28/2024

Sometimes, the best written stories just don't fit into the rating system. This is one that I just can't assign stars to. It is very well written, the characters believable, the story painfully told and on and on. Do I think it average, do I like it, do I love it? No to all. But I do respect this story and your courage to write it. Maybe that is better than 5 stars. Please accept this as a sincere compliment to your talent.
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EDIT: BTW, the story is rated 3.07/736, which goes to show just how subjective the ratings are. It always depends on what the individual reader wants to see.

 

[lc69hunter]

Speaking of the LW category, I comment a lot on stories, especially in that category, and generally appreciate and score high on those stories which follow the description of the category (extra-marital fun).

So yesterday I gave a 5 to a first time author, and commented "good first story, keep writing". The comment shows in my control Panel, but not on the story itself as a comment. So this morning early, I made the same comment, and again it doesn't show. Every other comment I have made on stories the last couple of days immediately show in both places. Is it possible that a first time author (maybe an alt of another writer or commenter has blocked me from commenting?

 

[Lifestyle66]

Speaking of the LW category, I comment a lot on stories, especially in that category, and generally appreciate and score high on those stories which follow the description of the category (extra-marital fun).

So yesterday I gave a 5 to a first time author, and commented "good first story, keep writing". The comment shows in my control Panel, but not on the story itself as a comment. So this morning early, I made the same comment, and again it doesn't show. Every other comment I have made on stories the last couple of days immediately show in both places. Is it possible that a first time author (maybe an alt of another writer or commenter has blocked me from commenting?

For the past few days, I've seen in my author's home page comments left on my stories, and previously, within ten minutes I could view the comment by clicking on that home page link. But it would only go to the comments page with all previous comments, missing the new one. But if I go to My Stories page and click on the "Comments thought bubble" link to the right of the story title, the latest comment shows up.

There's something going on in the background on the site servers with regards to comments. I don't think it's a nefarious plot, just some glitch between their site server databases.

 

[onehitwanda]

Yeah, the deal with "Loving Wives" is that two tribes of roughly equal ferocity lay claim to the same territory.

Two tribes, both alike in tawdry,
In foul Loving Wives, where we lay our scene,
From ancient grudge break to new mutiny,
Where uncivil blood makes uncivil hands unclean.
From forth the foetid loins of these two foes
A pair of star-shunn'd lovers take their life;
Whose misadventured piteous overthrows
Do not with their death bury their watchers' strife.
The fearful passage of their death-mark'd lust,
And the continuance of their watchers' rage,
Which, but their target's end, nought could remove,
Is now the two hours' traffic of our stage;
That which - if you with impatient eyes attend
what there is written - none shall ever mend.

(with apologies to the Bard)

 

[alohadave]

Speaking of the LW category, I comment a lot on stories, especially in that category, and generally appreciate and score high on those stories which follow the description of the category (extra-marital fun).

So yesterday I gave a 5 to a first time author, and commented "good first story, keep writing". The comment shows in my control Panel, but not on the story itself as a comment. So this morning early, I made the same comment, and again it doesn't show. Every other comment I have made on stories the last couple of days immediately show in both places. Is it possible that a first time author (maybe an alt of another writer or commenter has blocked me from commenting?

I don't think you can block specific users on the story side.

Probably a random antispam thing that needs manual review of comments.

 

[Rakishpaddy]

Thanks for everone

 

[Inkent]

I’m sorry to have been such a monumental time waster. My time hasn’t been wasted at all reading all your considerate, informative replies. I feel better able to navigate now (you’ve also made me feel oddly welcome which was probably foolish of you).

Disagree with you, far from a waste of time you've taken away a notion of what feels right for you based on the thoughts and experiences of other authors.

You can publish a story in LW and not get caught up in the crossfire from the readers. An example is if you stick to a story of a wife being chased or hounded by a wanna be lover, but remains steadfastly true to her husband, even finding a way to "punish" the wanna be suitor, you'll come our on top,at least story wise.

There are loads of permutations to get there!

 

[farbeyondourstars]

I did a little experiment today and posted a story in LW. Within minutes, it was one-bombed, and the result is that I'm going to take it down. I will most likely publish on a different site in the future.

People trolling is one thing, but Lit actively enables that with their rating system. Many other social media sites have switched to a reaction-based system that is less prone to abuse. You could easily rank stories by (score=likes/authenticated views) or similar, maybe time-weighted. That would stop giving trolls such an outsized lever.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Just publishing the stories in a different category also works. You're just asking for one bomb's when you post in LW.

I did a little experiment today and posted a story in LW. Within minutes, it was one-bombed, and the result is that I'm going to take it down. I will most likely publish on a different site in the future.

People trolling is one thing, but Lit actively enables that with their rating system. Many other social media sites have switched to a reaction-based system that is less prone to abuse. You could easily rank stories by (score=likes/authenticated views) or similar, maybe time-weighted. That would stop giving trolls such an outsized lever.