Jesus is King
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We also don't have Jesus.
Jesus is not God.
And he would not like to hear you call him that. He wouldn't like that at all.
Jesus might have believed himself the messiah. But he did not believe himself God. In Jewish eschatology, the messiah is not God, and is not the son of God. He'll be called Son of God, but that's only a title the old kings used. The messiah will be the son of a man. And he will not die for our sins -- that is not his job. His job is to rule the world.
You must understand that not all the red-letter verses are equally reliable quotations. Jesus certainly never said, "I and the Father are one," or, "No man cometh unto the Father but through me." Jesus was a good Jew. He would have been horrified by the words Paul and John put in his mouth -- words elevating him to the level of God.
When the rich man asked, "Good master, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus' response was, "Wherefore callest thou me good?! One there is who is good, that is, God!"
And Jesus always prayed as if he were talking to somebody else.
And he was not preaching any universalist religion, either. Jesus' message was only for the Children of Israel -- not for the gentiles.
Jesus really would not approve of Christianity, in any form it took after Paul's conversion.
And he would not like to hear you call him that. He wouldn't like that at all.
Jesus might have believed himself the messiah. But he did not believe himself God. In Jewish eschatology, the messiah is not God, and is not the son of God. He'll be called Son of God, but that's only a title the old kings used. The messiah will be the son of a man. And he will not die for our sins -- that is not his job. His job is to rule the world.
You must understand that not all the red-letter verses are equally reliable quotations. Jesus certainly never said, "I and the Father are one," or, "No man cometh unto the Father but through me." Jesus was a good Jew. He would have been horrified by the words Paul and John put in his mouth -- words elevating him to the level of God.
When the rich man asked, "Good master, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus' response was, "Wherefore callest thou me good?! One there is who is good, that is, God!"
And Jesus always prayed as if he were talking to somebody else.
And he was not preaching any universalist religion, either. Jesus' message was only for the Children of Israel -- not for the gentiles.
Jesus really would not approve of Christianity, in any form it took after Paul's conversion.
Jesus lied. He promised the Kingdom of God was coming.
And he was not talking about the afterlife -- he did not mean, "I am about to die in a way that will make it possible for you to get into Heaven."
Nor was he talking about any personal conversion experience -- he did not mean, "You can cultivate the Kingdom of God within your own soul."
No, what he meant was, "God is about to drive the Romans out of Judea. And, in the process, God will put down the aristocrats -- the priests and Sadducees, the Herodian royalty, the rich in general -- and create an egalitarian utopia." All this to happen within the lifetime of his hearers.
None of that happened. Jesus lied.
See Zealot, by Reza Aslan.
And he was not talking about the afterlife -- he did not mean, "I am about to die in a way that will make it possible for you to get into Heaven."
Nor was he talking about any personal conversion experience -- he did not mean, "You can cultivate the Kingdom of God within your own soul."
No, what he meant was, "God is about to drive the Romans out of Judea. And, in the process, God will put down the aristocrats -- the priests and Sadducees, the Herodian royalty, the rich in general -- and create an egalitarian utopia." All this to happen within the lifetime of his hearers.
None of that happened. Jesus lied.
See Zealot, by Reza Aslan.
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I love this. It proves just how deeply her "wrong rally" comment cut the snowflakey Deplorable crowd.
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As silly and nonsensical god and religious beliefs are, people have the right to hold them. 
What's disturbing is that they might let it affect their voting behavior.As silly and nonsensical god and religious beliefs are, people have the right to hold them.
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I'll be honest, I give as much fucks about jeebus as I do about allah as I do about buddha as I do about (insert your dude here)
Zero. I have no issue if you are spiritual and need to believe in things to make your clock tick but I don't owe you anything to make you feel better about it.
And I certainly don't give a fuck if our President believes in shit or not.
Zero. I have no issue if you are spiritual and need to believe in things to make your clock tick but I don't owe you anything to make you feel better about it.
And I certainly don't give a fuck if our President believes in shit or not.
I agree that Jesus is king.
I do NOT agree that either J.D. Vance, nor Trump, have any right to take the Lord's name in vain. Because their ideas, what they stand for, and their actions, run counter to everything Jesus taught, and in fact align with everything Jesus warned us AGAINST!
Philosophically I do not align with Politruk either; I do believe Jesus died in a way which made it possible for us to get into heaven, and that it is upon us to cultivate the kingdom of God within us. However, faith is a personal thing, I do not mean to preach here.
But I do think that faith in Jesus and support of Donald Trump are incompatible with each other. If you support Trump, then you have failed to understand the principles that Jesus taught to us, and are therefore taking His name in vain.
I do NOT agree that either J.D. Vance, nor Trump, have any right to take the Lord's name in vain. Because their ideas, what they stand for, and their actions, run counter to everything Jesus taught, and in fact align with everything Jesus warned us AGAINST!
Philosophically I do not align with Politruk either; I do believe Jesus died in a way which made it possible for us to get into heaven, and that it is upon us to cultivate the kingdom of God within us. However, faith is a personal thing, I do not mean to preach here.
But I do think that faith in Jesus and support of Donald Trump are incompatible with each other. If you support Trump, then you have failed to understand the principles that Jesus taught to us, and are therefore taking His name in vain.
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As long as it's a form of Catholicism.As silly and nonsensical god and religious beliefs are, people have the right to hold them.
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You think it's disturbing that people's beliefs affect things like voting?
It's disturbing if Christianity does. An especially damnable religion as religions go. The only thing worse is Islam.
It is curious that Americans are becoming aware of something called “Christian nationalism” just as it is becoming apparent that Christianity as such is on the way out. Fewer than 50% of Americans go to church now – that number will not increase in your lifetime or mine. At least 25% of the Millennial generation identify as atheist or agnostic, and Generation Z appears to be the same only more so. America is well on its way to becoming as post-Christian as Europe is now. Historians speak of a “Christian consensus” in American culture – and they do not speak of it as existing at any time after 1950. The decline in traditional religious belief since then has been dramatic, epochal, and, most importantly, IRREVERSIBLE. America will never again be a country in which a general Great Awakening, like those of the 18th and 19th Centuries, is possible -- at least, not one that is Christian in content
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I would hope so. It was a paid supporter he made it for.
Chicken McNuggets beat loaves and fishes, anyway.
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There are a lot of irrational beliefs. Christianity, Islam, hate for Trump/conservatives, etc.
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Nothing irrational about hating any of those things.
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The religious rarely think their beliefs are irrational.
Mostly, they don't think rationality matters. Theologians -- religious intellectuals -- are extremely rare. The mass of believers think faith has value. You just can't get more wrongheaded than that. Faith is a vice, not a virtue.
Good analysis, but the only way a spiritual revival in this country will be possible is for Christian Nationalism to die off.
This is ironic, but a "Great Awakening" can only happen with organized Christianity shedding it's baggage.
That is, for Christianity to purge itself of it's dark-sided influences and it's dark-sided political ideology which, as I mentioned in a previous post, is incompatible with the core teachings of the faith as Jesus preached.
This is why young people are turning away from the Church. They see Christianity as an oppressive force rather than an enlightening one. They equate it with the greed, dishonesty, selfish values, suppression of freedom, and outright bigotry of the political movement that it has become entangled with. Once Christians rise up and take a stand against these things, I predict that faith in Jesus- TRUE faith in who He was and what he stood for- will blossom once again.
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