The Culture War

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Why are America’s conservatives wasting so much time and energy on the one war they have NO CHANCE AT ALL of winning?!

In the economic sphere, conservatives can often get their way – they’re backed up by rich and powerful interests.

Culture is different. Things change and they don’t change back. Our society has reached a point where reviving the old laws against sodomy, or even withdrawing legal recognition of same-sex marriage, would be as politically impossible as taking the vote away from women.

It is curious that Americans are becoming aware of something called “Christian nationalism” just as it is becoming apparent that Christianity as such is on the way out. Fewer than 50% of Americans go to church now – that number will not increase in your lifetime or mine. At least 25% of the Millennial generation identify as atheist or agnostic, and Generation Z appears to be the same only more so. America is well on its way to becoming as post-Christian as Europe is now. Historians speak of a “Christian consensus” in American culture – and they do not speak of it as existing at any time after 1950. The decline in traditional religious belief since then has been dramatic, epochal, and, most importantly, IRREVERSIBLE.

It’s not only the declining Christianity. According to studies I’ve seen (cited in Salon.com several years ago), Millennials are not only less religious than any elder generation of Americans, they are also less racist, less sexist, less homophobic and less xenophobic. Take all those things out of social conservatism, and what’s left?

Millennials are not necessarily socialists. They are in fact more friendly than elder generations to socialism (or at least to the WORD "socialism," left undefined in the surveys, as against a likewise undefined "capitalism"), but a politics of economic libertarianism might nevertheless resonate with many of them.

But social conservatism will not – nor with any generation that comes after them. That is why I say that social conservatism HAS NO FUTURE.

Christian-oriented social conservatism will be with us for a couple of decades yet – but no longer than that. In the long run, on a generational time-scale, social conservatism has no future in America – none at all. Everything they do in this field is only a rear-guard action, a desperate effort to slow down an inevitable retreat.
 
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Why are America’s conservatives wasting so much time and energy on the one war they have NO CHANCE AT ALL of winning?!

In the economic sphere, conservatives can often get their way – they’re backed up by rich and powerful interests.

Culture is different. Things change and they don’t change back. Our society has reached a point where reviving the old laws against sodomy, or even withdrawing legal recognition of same-sex marriage, would be as politically impossible as taking the vote away from women.

It is curious that Americans are becoming aware of something called “Christian nationalism” just as it is becoming apparent that Christianity as such is on the way out. Fewer than 50% of Americans go to church now – that number will not increase in your lifetime or mine. At least 25% of the Millennial generation identify as atheist or agnostic, and Generation Z appears to be the same only more so. America is well on its way to becoming as post-Christian as Europe is now. Historians speak of a “Christian consensus” in American culture – and they do not speak of it as existing at any time after 1950. The decline in traditional religious belief since then has been dramatic, epochal, and, most importantly, IRREVERSIBLE.

It’s not only the declining Christianity. According to studies I’ve seen (cited in Salon.com several years ago), Millennials are not only less religious than any elder generation of Americans, they are also less racist, less sexist, less homophobic and less xenophobic. Take all those things out of social conservatism, and what’s left?

Millennials are not necessarily socialists. They are in fact more friendly than elder generations to socialism (or at least to the WORD "socialism," left undefined in the surveys, as against a likewise undefined "capitalism"), but a politics of economic libertarianism might nevertheless resonate with many of them.

But social conservatism will not – nor with any generation that comes after them. That is why I say that social conservatism HAS NO FUTURE.

Christian-oriented social conservatism will be with us for a couple of decades yet – but no longer than that. In the long run, on a generational time-scale, social conservatism has no future in America – none at all. Everything they do in this field is only a rear-guard action, a desperate effort to slow down an inevitable retreat.

Republicans have no interest in “winning” culture battles. The issues are created specifically to stir up easily manipulated simpletons.

Works like a charm.

When the simpletons are sufficiently agitated about “woke”, “DEI”, “trans” and “the war on Christmas” they don’t notice the Republicans are giving them the shaft while cutting taxes on billionaires.
 
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well, he's taking his cue from the poster currently known variously as "Noitall" or "LessOHmo." Since nothing ever seems to happen to that guy (other than an occasional forced name-change) he figures he can probably get away with it.

To his credit, Politruk seems far more well informed, reasonable, and educated than LessOHmo/Noitall/busybody. I will at least give him that.
 
Why are America’s conservatives wasting so much time and energy on the one war they have NO CHANCE AT ALL of winning?!
You wrote a long post about why conservatives can't win their culture war. Who said that the corporate billionaires who run the GOP even want to win that war?

They want to sucker in just enough votes from their gullible voting base to eventually dominate all branches of government, and once they get this control, they will no longer need the old cultural issues to win elections. They will have the power to control elections in enough states to win no matter what, and the courts will back them.
 
You wrote a long post about why conservatives can't win their culture war. Who said that the corporate billionaires who run the GOP even want to win that war?
They don't. But they're not the only faction -- movement conservatism has depended on culture-war foot soldiers since 1964.

And eventually -- it is going to have to get along without them. Because they will die off, and not be replaced by younger generations.
 
You wrote a long post about why conservatives can't win their culture war. Who said that the corporate billionaires who run the GOP even want to win that war?

They want to sucker in just enough votes from their gullible voting base to eventually dominate all branches of government, and once they get this control, they will no longer need the old cultural issues to win elections. They will have the power to control elections in enough states to win no matter what, and the courts will back them.
Not to disagree too vehemently, but I'm starting to believe that billionaire Peter Thiel is playing the long game. He is a lifelong opponent of diversity and inclusion (and was infamous for a paper he wrote about "rape" being essentially "morning after regret", which he eventually walked back a decade later)

He basically purchased the open Vice President slot in the Republican party this year, installing his youthful ward Jay Dee Vance on the ticket.

If, G-d forbid, Trump is elected, I would expect Thiel to be the "power behind the throne" to begin 25th amendment proceedings within 2 years to remove Trump and install Vance.
 
They don't. But they're not the only faction -- movement conservatism has depended on culture-war foot soldiers since 1964.

And eventually -- it is going to have to get along without them. Because they will die off, and not be replaced by younger generations.
Who needs culture-war footsoldiers after the largest monopolistic corporations control all branches of government and the electoral process?

Those corporations care less about cultural differences than Trump cares about religion. People of all types are potential consumers.
 
I notice nobody is contradicting this.
In this country the roll of church members is longer than ever before. More than one hundred and fifteen million people are at least paper members of some church or synagogue. This represents an increase of 100 percent since 1929, although the population has increased by only 31 percent.

- from Strength to Love, by Martin Luther King, Jr. published in June 1963

Church and synagogue attendance has fluctuated over the years.

We should also consider that there is often wisdom in tradition.
 
Church and synagogue attendance has fluctuated over the years.
But the trend since King's time is downward. That will not reverse in your lifetime or mine, or after. America will never again be a country in which a general Great Awakening, like those of the 18th and 19th Centuries, is possible -- at least, not one that is Christian in content, and I see no other religion now existing as having that much potential. Except, of course, for the One True Church. Praise "Bob"!
 
But the trend since King's time is downward. That will not reverse in your lifetime or mine, or after. America will never again be a country in which a general Great Awakening, like those of the 18th and 19th Centuries, is possible -- at least, not one that is Christian in content, and I see no other religion now existing as having that much potential. Except, of course, for the One True Church. Praise "Bob"!
Sometimes, I wonder if I missed my calling. I could have started a new religion to displace Christianity. I could have done well with that. Plenty of vacuum to fill and Nature supposedly abhors that.
 
Sometimes, I wonder if I missed my calling. I could have started a new religion to displace Christianity. I could have done well with that. Plenty of vacuum to fill and Nature supposedly abhors that.
Here's the doctrine I suggest:

1. The afterlife is reincarnation.
2. Humans can only be reincarnated as humans.
3. It's completely random otherwise. There is no karmic justice -- you could be reincarnated as a human of any nation, class, race or sex.

That at least gives believers an incentive to improve the world in general. See John Rawls' "Veil of Ignorance" or "Original Position".
 
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They are in fact more friendly than elder generations to socialism
That's because they were born after the iron curtain fell. If they had ever witnessed what socialism actually delivered they would probably have the same negative view as those who did.

When the simpletons are sufficiently agitated about “woke”, “DEI”
The NHS spends around £40m a year on DEI advisors who tell them to use phrases such as "cervix havers", "people who menstruate", "prostate havers", etc...

When going to have blood taken for testing NHS staff will ask anybody under 55, including males, if there's any chance they may be pregnant :rolleyes:

I wouldn't regard the people who object to this money-wasting nonsense as the simpletons.
 
I notice nobody in this thread has even questioned my assumption that conservatives deserve to lose the culture war.
 
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