Below the belt

[ChloeTzang]

That's not what they did. They blew up anyone with a pager, which may or may not have included combatants

Luck of the draw, that one.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I can see the mobile, pager and radio market in the Middle East taking a downturn. Time to go short?

 

[Noitall]

I imagine someone blowing up random phones in the US might be seen differently.

who is bombing the US on a daily basis with Drones and Rockets and focing evacuations of citizens

 

[Noor]

According to Sky News Arabia; Mossad was able to Inject a Compound of Pentaerythritol Tetranitrate (PETN) into the Batteries of the Pagers that Hezbollah began using around February, before they even arrived in the hands of Hezbollah Members. PETN explodes when heated, so probably a firmware update in order to allow the voltage controller or something to overheat the lithium ion batteries and trigger the explosive. The explosions look like shape charges directed toward the person wearing the pager - in the clips you can see people right next to the targets are unharmed. Pagers are connected to Telecom networks so that part is pretty straightforward, by comparison to everything else they did.

What an op! Awesome!

Like their friends in Palestine (a region; never a state, country or independent kingdom, it's just a word to describe a place and it's ancient, out-of-date and out-of-context), they are financed by Iran, spread terrorism and are dedicated to the sole idea of the GENOCIDE of the Jews, from the river to the sea.

So, once again, you're playing with a false equivalency. There is NO GOOD in Hiz'Bollah...

You’re preaching to the choir here.

Yesterday pagers, today two way radios, tomorrow toasters?

 

[Noitall]

That's not what they did. They blew up anyone with a pager, which may or may not have included combatants

no

everyone uses CELL PHONES

Hez only used the other devices cause they were afraid of infiltration

BTW, STFU about innocent civilians....the North of Israel is evacuated for ayr cause of attacks

Whatever Israel does is ON HEZ

 

[Noor]

That's not what they did. They blew up anyone with a pager, which may or may not have included combatants

No, only the pagers distributed by Hezbollah to their upper command leaders. Hezbollah bought 5000 beepers for themselves. Don’t work though, they have 50,000-100,000 fighters

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Because giving them refuge will attract Israeli terrorism to their country. Besides, Palestinians/Philistines were living there peacefully long before the Jews left Egypt and decided to displace them.

The Jews were driven out of Egypt in 1948. What was once a thriving community was eradicated virtually overnight. Many Israeli Jews are descended from refugees who fled from Egypt 70 years ago.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The Arabs have been on the defensive since the 1967 Six Day War. The Israelis have a curious interpretation of 'eradication'.

Israel is subject to daily rocket attacks against its citizens. Sometimes, the hostilities are more direct, like October 7th or the Intifada where buses were being blown up daily, but nevertheless it’s a small country surrounded by big, rich neighbors who want it eliminated.

 

[ll74]

No, only the pagers distributed by Hezbollah to their upper command leaders. Hezbollah bought 5000 beepers for themselves. Don’t work though, they have 50,000-100,000 fighters

How do you know who they distributed them to? (Answer: you don't) From reports I've read, there were doctors and nurses included.

 

[butters]

Were all of these pagers destined for Hezbollah? How many wound up in the hands of innocents and killed or maimed them? Does Mossad care? I’m guessing not.

That's not what they did. They blew up anyone with a pager, which may or may not have included combatants

this batch of 5,000 were ordered by hezbollah itself
the delivery was interceded and the devices tampered with before arriving

yes, some civilians were harmed, 2 children dead

was it a very clever move to sow chaos, distrust and disruption? of course.
were civilian casualties deemed a negligent risk in a plan to disrupt communications amongst hezbollah? yes
it happens when America bombs other countries, too.

I'm not standing up for hezbollah OR Israel here; my concern is the civilians that get caught up in the violence created by the situations

 

[ll74]

no

everyone uses CELL PHONES

Hez only used the other devices cause they were afraid of infiltration

BTW, STFU about innocent civilians....the North of Israel is evacuated for ayr cause of attacks

Whatever Israel does is ON HEZ

You believe they were combatants because the side you favor told you so.

Plus, you don't care if one of them have that pager to their young son to play with.

 

[ll74]

this batch of 5,000 were ordered by hezbollah itself
the delivery was interceded and the devices tampered with before arriving

yes, some civilians were harmed, 2 children dead

was it a very clever move to sow chaos, distrust and disruption? of course.
were civilian casualties deemed a negligent risk in a plan to disrupt communications amongst hezbollah? yes
it happens when America bombs other countries, too.

I'm not standing up for hezbollah OR Israel here; my concern is the civilians that get caught up in the violence created by the situations

Mine as well ..and anytime something new is tried in hostilities and it works, the rest of the world looks to see how they can try it next. People thinking our adversaries.arent included in that list aren't using their brains.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

this batch of 5,000 were ordered by hezbollah itself
the delivery was interceded and the devices tampered with before arriving

yes, some civilians were harmed, 2 children dead

was it a very clever move to sow chaos, distrust and disruption? of course.
were civilian casualties deemed a negligent risk in a plan to disrupt communications amongst hezbollah? yes
it happens when America bombs other countries, too.

I'm not standing up for hezbollah OR Israel here; my concern is the civilians that get caught up in the violence created by the situations

Hopefully this will motivate Hezbollah to stop its attacks against the north of Israel so tens of thousands of displaced people can return home.

 

[butters]

How do you know who they distributed them to? (Answer: you don't) From reports I've read, there were doctors and nurses included.

i hadn't heard that.

i did see the video of one exploding in a store and read about another device that exploded after being placed next to a checkout worker with customers queueing up to pay for their goods.
many of the pagers blew up in public locations and civilians WERE injured.
it's not a stretch to imagine some of these pagers could have been carried by people close to, or even carrying young children... Mossad clearly see that as acceptable. It's likely other countries who may employ a tactic such as this would, too.

 

[ChloeTzang]

You believe they were combatants because the side you favor told you so.

Plus, you don't care if one of them have that pager to their young son to play with.

Actually, more like don't care. I'm not squeamish about these things. A bit of collateral damage sucks for the collateral damage but whatever, you fight terror with terror and fire with fire

 

[ll74]

Actually, more like don't care. I'm not squeamish about these things. A bit of collateral damage sucks for the collateral damage but whatever, you fight terror with terror and fire with fire

Yes, you are fine with terrorism. Thanks for confirming.

 

[butters]

Hopefully this will motivate Hezbollah to stop its attacks against the north of Israel so tens of thousands of displaced people can return home.

somehow i doubt it'll do that, but it may have worked well enough to hamper their efforts to be able to escalate at the level they have been preparing for if they felt pushed into it.

such a shitshow, all around. not being a politician or an expert on any of this, i cannot see through the fog to how this could all be smoothed out; the closest would be, imo, a realisation of the two-state solution but so many factions and interests are involved i despair this may never come to be, not any time soon.

 

[ll74]

somehow i doubt it'll do that, but it may have worked well enough to hamper their efforts to be able to escalate at the level they have been preparing for if they felt pushed into it.

such a shitshow, all around. not being a politician or an expert on any of this, i cannot see through the fog to how this could all be smoothed out; the closest would be, imo, a realisation of the two-state solution but so many factions and interests are involved i despair this may never come to be, not any time soon.

We're to the point where people want Gaza levelled....no more subtle hints about it. This is how dehumanizing works.

 

[butters]

We're to the point where people want Gaza levelled....no more subtle hints about it. This is how dehumanizing works.

the footage i've seen of Gaza shows it pretty much is... the level of devastation there is too huge to really grasp

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

somehow i doubt it'll do that, but it may have worked well enough to hamper their efforts to be able to escalate at the level they have been preparing for if they felt pushed into it.

such a shitshow, all around. not being a politician or an expert on any of this, i cannot see through the fog to how this could all be smoothed out; the closest would be, imo, a realisation of the two-state solution but so many factions and interests are involved i despair this may never come to be, not any time soon.

Hezbollah has been escalating its attacks against Israel for almost a year. The world has reacted with silence. Some international pressure on the Arabs to stop attacking Israel could do a lot.

 

[Noitall]

i hadn't heard that.

i did see the video of one exploding in a store and read about another device that exploded after being placed next to a checkout worker with customers queueing up to pay for their goods.
many of the pagers blew up in public locations and civilians WERE injured.
it's not a stretch to imagine some of these pagers could have been carried by people close to, or even carrying young children... Mossad clearly see that as acceptable. It's likely other countries who may employ a tactic such as this would, too.

this EVIL BITCH doesnt care about these kids

WHY? NOT?

Bedouin kids killed by Hez
https://www.irishtimes.com/resizer/v2/MOSYFBZUNZVIQ4CJ3C63X6QWGY.jpg?auth=cc73acecb0f7562c69e0c4d839197be9f4333de8b4331af6185393067236eaa4&smart=true&width=1024&height=576

 

[Rightguide]

So? Collateral damage.

The vast majority of those injured are Hezbollah terrorists. Terrorists use these devices to send encrypted numerical coded messages later decoded against agreed-upon keys. They developed this system because Israeli intelligence sweeps up and monitors all cell phone signal transmissions and can shut these systems down totally or use them to track individuals.

 

[ll74]

The vast majority of those injured are Hezbollah terrorists. Terrorists use these devices to send encrypted numerical coded messages later decoded against agreed-upon keys. They developed this system because Israeli intelligence sweeps up and monitors all cell phone signal transmissions and can shut these systems down totally or use them to track individuals.

You are speculating without any proof.

 

[Noitall]

You are speculating without any proof.

Evil asshole,

 

[ChloeTzang]

You are speculating without any proof.

And? I'll say it again. Doesn't matter. You hit your targets and if there is collateral damage, tough shit. It's not a game. The intent is to kill the enemy and you do that any way you can, and if there's collateral damage, you assess the risk vs the outcome. A hit like this, collateral damage loses. Thats life. Or death, as the case may be. I would only hope the US Govt would be as capable of this. Doubt it though. Too many pussies.

We don;t need to be liked. Only feared and respected. As Ashurnasirpal II said, "The lion does not concern itself with the opinions of sheep.”