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[TastySuckToy]

A million abortions per year is fucking rare??

Guess that would depend upon your definition of rare. The adult female population of the US is estimated at about 130-135 million.

Taking the lower figure, that's an abortion rate of (roughly) 0.769% of the population having an abortion per year.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Guess that would depend upon your definition of rare. The adult female population of the US is estimated at about 130-135 million.

Taking the lower figure, that's an abortion rate of (roughly) 0.769% of the population having an abortion per year.

40000 gun deaths per year is almost nonexistent but it manages to keep the left enraged.

 

[ll74]

A million abortions per year is fucking rare??

Abortions are rare...yes.

Your data may differ....mostly because you believe stupid shit

 

[Saint_Ann]

Abortions are rare...yes.

So are gun deaths then.

 

[ll74]

So are gun deaths then.

If only there was a difference ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯

 

[Saint_Ann]

If only there was a difference ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯

Misplaced outrage.

 

[ll74]

Misplaced outrage.

Of course

 

[TastySuckToy]

40000 gun deaths per year is almost nonexistent but it manages to keep the left enraged.

That is a very good point.

 

[ll74]

40000 gun deaths per year is almost nonexistent but it manages to keep the left enraged.

But guns don't kill people

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

40000 gun deaths per year is almost nonexistent but it manages to keep the left enraged.

40,000 deaths a year for what? Almost as many Americans are killed by cars every year, but at least cars provide some benefit. Private gun ownership provides nothing of value to society.

 

[TastySuckToy]

40,000 deaths a year for what? Almost as many Americans are killed by cars every year, but at least cars provide some benefit. Private gun ownership provides nothing of value to society.

False. Self defense alone with guns is hundreds of thousands to millions of cases per year. Never mind other things, like sports shooting, hunting, effective deterrent to invasions, etc.

 

[ll74]

False. Self defense alone with guns is hundreds of thousands to millions of cases per year. Never mind other things, like sports shooting, hunting, effective deterrent to invasions, etc.

It is? Based on what data?

"We all know...."

Lol

 

[TastySuckToy]

Misplaced outrage.

To further your point, total gun deaths (high figure of 45k) relative to the US population would be a figure of 0.0135%.

That's total gun deaths. Mass shootings are only about 1% of that figure, which would be 0.000135% relative to the US population. Again, using the high end figures for gun deaths.

So if a million abortions a year is defined as rare, you are absolutely correct that figures several orders of magnitude smaller than 'rare' is hardly something to get worked up about.

Leftist hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[TastySuckToy]

It is? Based on what data?

This is the third time I've posted this now:

For example, here are sources for just one positive use of guns, self defense:

1. William English Study (2021):
- Title: "Defensive Gun Use in the United States"
- Published by: Georgetown University
- Key statistic: Estimated 1.67 million defensive gun uses annually
- Additional details:
- 81.9% of defensive gun uses did not involve firing the weapon
- 50.9% involved handguns, 56.8% occurred in or near the home

2. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Report (2013):
- Title: "Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence"
- Key statistic: Estimated 500,000 to 3 million defensive gun uses annually
- Note: This wide range reflects the uncertainty and variability in different studies reviewed

3. National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) (ongoing):
- Conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics
- Key statistic: For the period 2007-2011, estimated about 235,700 defensive gun uses per year
- Note: This survey consistently produces lower estimates than other sources

4. Violence Policy Center annual reports:
- Title: "Firearm Justifiable Homicides and Non-Fatal Self-Defense Gun Use"
- Key statistic (from 2019 report): In 2016, there were 274 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm
- Additional context: This report focuses on cases that resulted in fatalities, which represent a small subset of all defensive gun uses

5. Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology (2015):
- Title: "Defensive Gun Uses: New Evidence from a National Survey"
- Authors: Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz
- Key statistic: Estimated 2.2-2.5 million defensive gun uses per year
- Note: This is an update to their original 1995 study, which has been criticized for potential overestimation

6. National Firearms Survey (2021):
- Conducted by William English at Georgetown University
- Key statistic: An estimated 25.3 million adults have used a gun defensively in their lifetime
- Additional detail: This equates to about 1.67 million defensive uses per year

According to studies, there is anywhere from hundreds of thousands to millions of examples of people using guns defensively annually. And this is just one metric of personal self defense, never mind other positive aspects of gun ownership and usage.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

False. Self defense alone with guns is hundreds of thousands to millions of cases per year. Never mind other things, like sports shooting, hunting, effective deterrent to invasions, etc.

Every place I've lived I've had to own a car to get to work or the grocery store. When my car is in the shop, it's a big inconvenience.

But I've never owned a gun and never missed having one.

Most Americans are like me. A car is an expensive necessity. A gun is an unnecessary frippery.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Every place I've lived I've had to own a car to get to work or the grocery store. When my car is in the shop, it's a big inconvenience.

But I've never owned a gun and never missed having one.

Most Americans are like me. A car is an expensive necessity. A gun is an unnecessary frippery.

The facts trump your personal experience.

 

[ll74]

This is the third time I've posted this now:

The statement was regarding gun deaths.

Try again.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

BabyBoobs managed to LIE and GASLIGHT and SEA LION in ONE POST!!!

The MAGAT / RWCJ TRIFECTA!!!



BabyBoobs

So typical of you. I asked someone for links and you cry “GASLIGHT” “SEA LION”

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The facts trump your personal experience.

Most Americans drive a car every day for transportation.

They also live their entire lives without ever using a gun to defend themselves.

Your gun hobby is not worth 45,000 lives a year.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Your gun hobby is not worth 45,000 lives a year.

Your distaste for guns is not worth disarming and preventing hundreds of thousands to millions of self defense cases a year, never mind all the other uses and benefits of guns.

And note, that 45k figure for deaths by use of guns is mostly suicides (and suicide is a mental health problem, not a methodology problem).

Only about 1% of that amount is actually mass shootings events.

Saint_Ann's point stands. If a million cases for half the population of the United States qualifies as 'rare', than 450 cases for the entire population of the United States would certainly qualify as 'almost non existent'.

 

[SevMax2]

Once again, you can see a major part of the breakdown in our society, the growing gulf between rural and urban communities. In no rural community would there even be a question of this gun control nonsense. Only living in the relatively sheltered bubble of the urban communities, particularly the bicoastal ones, would it even occur to trust the cops to protect you when they're minutes away instead of the seconds that you need. But go on, tell me how much safer you are because a law-abiding citizen in another state suddenly can't get an AR-15. I doubt that you'll convince him, in any case. When the collapse comes, you won't be as convinced as you were before, either. At this point, it's not even to fight a foreign invader or tyrannical government as much as it is to fight the new cultists, warlords, and brigands likely to kick in the front door in a few years from now.

 

[Lazaran]

So typical of you. I asked someone for links and you cry “GASLIGHT” “SEA LION”

BabyBoobs is “So typical” of a LYING, GASLIGHTING RWCJ / MAGAT SEA LION that asks for links to support valid assertions that are already well established as being factual (whether DonOld and the RWCJ / MAGATS admit to them or not).



BabyBoobs

 

[SevMax2]

Your distaste for guns is not worth disarming and preventing hundreds of thousands to millions of self defense cases a year, never mind all the other uses and benefits of guns.

And note, that 45k figure for deaths by use of guns is mostly suicides (and suicide is a mental health problem, not a methodology problem).

Only about 1% of that amount is actually mass shootings events.

Saint_Ann's point stands. If a million cases for half the population of the United States qualifies as 'rare', than 450 cases for the entire population of the United States would certainly qualify as 'almost non existent'.

Yeah, well, don't wreck their narrative with...facts! It might hurt their feelings or something. Excuse me if I don't trust the government with a monopoly on certain weapons or on lethal force. Also, 3D printed guns will make it moot soon enough, if the social order lasts that long. No amount of gun control will matter at that point. It will be an exercise in futility. Also, the people who would surrender their guns in a buyback program aren't the ones who actually need to be disarmed. It's....other folks, many of whom are owning them illegally as convicted felons.

 

[ll74]

Your distaste for guns is not worth disarming and preventing hundreds of thousands to millions of self defense cases a year, never mind all the other uses and benefits of guns.

And note, that 45k figure for deaths by use of guns is mostly suicides (and suicide is a mental health problem, not a methodology problem).

Only about 1% of that amount is actually mass shootings events.

Saint_Ann's point stands. If a million cases for half the population of the United States qualifies as 'rare', than 450 cases for the entire population of the United States would certainly qualify as 'almost non existent'.

The "point" is a fallacy. It doesn't take into account the causes or circumstances. Especially if you try to compare it to actual murders committed with the use of a gun.

The majority of late term abortions occur because of medical necessity. Most occur within the first trimester.

Without a gun, the majority of intended murders and suicides would be reduced to a mostly non existent number in the US.

I don't need false equivalency to obfuscate the facts.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Yeah, well, don't wreck their narrative with...facts!

The number one killer of leftist arguments and ideology.

Excuse me if I don't trust the government with a monopoly on certain weapons or on lethal force.

As I've said before, I'm willing to concede to a complete ban and removal of all weapons. But the government goes first.

Also, 3D printed guns will make it moot soon enough

Very true. As a Canadian, that currently will be my only option any time soon from the looks of it, and I'm keeping an eye on it.

Also, the people who would surrender their guns in a buyback program aren't the ones who actually need to be disarmed. It's....other folks, many of whom are owning them illegally as convicted felons.

More devestating logic the rabid anti gun leftists can't deal with.