Who do you think will win?

[Aglaopheme]

Have you forgotten this has already occurred?

 

[jomar]

When Trump left office, the unemployment numbers for black men were the lowest in decades. Wages were up across the board and there wasn't any major inflation issue to deal with.

Obama's Presidency coined a new term - stagflation. That right there is an indicator that he didn't "turn the economy around." The best thing you can say about the Obama years is that, economically, he maintained the status quo and nothing else. Which is an accomplishment given DC's incentives to fuck over the American people.

Trump worked for the people during his first term. His policies reduced drug prices, kept energy costs low, reduced the governmental regulation overburden, and created jobs where previously there hadn't been any. No new wars began during his term, he achieved the Abraham Peace Accords, and stopped ISISK's takeover in the Middle East.

ALL of that has been wiped out since Jan 2021. ALL OF IT. Under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris we are worse off than we were before Obama. War everywhere and getting worse, prices and costs soaring, crime, civil unrest and division, and more.

Don't tell me Trump screwed us over because he didn't. History proves he didn't. All the false accusations, lawfare, and lies from the Left couldn't stop him because it wasn't Trump who did it, it was us. Trump just opened up the opportunity for Americans to get back on their feet again.

I may not have much but I still have my pride, could be words spoken by many in these circumstances. And that's NOT because of anything Biden, Kamala, or Obama did.

Quoted because holy shitsky!

If all that’s true how come he isn’t ranked numero uno among all time presidents in history ever?

 

[jomar]

That's history. We had more racial divisions when the nation was wealthier. There was northern European, southern European, Jewish, Mexican, and so on down a long list, plus all the religious divisions. Now we have mostly white and black. In the much poorer nation we will eventually become, race may be forgotten as silly nonsense.

So are you walking back the racist comment by reverting to historical perspectives? Your post end will likely be true in time.

 

[jomar]

I attempted to correct your misinterpretation, but you're trapped in your beliefs that require you to see racism everywhere.

Not so much. Your “luxury of” and wish to return to the 50s speaks to a mindset, though.

 

[HisArpy]

Quoted because holy shitsky!

If all that’s true how come he isn’t ranked numero uno among all time presidents in history ever?

Because Liberals and Democrats make up ~68% of the population and the "MOST FAVORITEST EVER" President ranking is by popular vote. Add in those who aren't capable of tying their shoes without help and what you see is what you get.

I'd rather rely on hard data - which is that Trump's first term was good for America. Note, that's not the same as good for Democrats or popular sentiment.

I also want to state, FOR THE RECORD, that I thought Bill Clinton was a great President. Lousy human being, but a great President. Trump is in the same category but you and the rest of the Lefties can't figure that out and instead rely on feelings and public sentiment to sway your thinking instead of thinking for yourselves.

 

[jomar]

Because Liberals and Democrats make up ~68% of the population and the "MOST FAVORITEST EVER" President ranking is by popular vote.

No it’s not.

Add in those who aren't capable of tying their shoes without help and what you see is what you get.

Odd comment.

I'd rather rely on hard data - which is that Trump's first term was good for America. Note, that's not the same as good for Democrats or popular sentiment.

Hard data. That’s rich, as the saying goes.

 

[NaughtyPine]

When Trump left office, the unemployment numbers for black men were the lowest in decades. Wages were up across the board and there wasn't any major inflation issue to deal with.

Obama's Presidency coined a new term - stagflation. That right there is an indicator that he didn't "turn the economy around." The best thing you can say about the Obama years is that, economically, he maintained the status quo and nothing else. Which is an accomplishment given DC's incentives to fuck over the American people.

Trump worked for the people during his first term. His policies reduced drug prices, kept energy costs low, reduced the governmental regulation overburden, and created jobs where previously there hadn't been any. No new wars began during his term, he achieved the Abraham Peace Accords, and stopped ISISK's takeover in the Middle East.

ALL of that has been wiped out since Jan 2021. ALL OF IT. Under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris we are worse off than we were before Obama. War everywhere and getting worse, prices and costs soaring, crime, civil unrest and division, and more.

Don't tell me Trump screwed us over because he didn't. History proves he didn't. All the false accusations, lawfare, and lies from the Left couldn't stop him because it wasn't Trump who did it, it was us. Trump just opened up the opportunity for Americans to get back on their feet again.

I may not have much but I still have my pride, could be words spoken by many in these circumstances. And that's NOT because of anything Biden, Kamala, or Obama did.

Stagflation is a term first used in the last century. You seem to have a very short understanding of American politics which diminishes your credibility. The assault on the American voters and the institutions of our constitutional institutions on January 6, 2021, is something that decent, law abiding Americans will never forgive Trump and his Republican enablers for especially while they remain unrepentant for their sins.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

When Trump left office, the unemployment numbers for black men were the lowest in decades. Wages were up across the board and there wasn't any major inflation issue to deal with.

Obama's Presidency coined a new term - stagflation. That right there is an indicator that he didn't "turn the economy around." The best thing you can say about the Obama years is that, economically, he maintained the status quo and nothing else. Which is an accomplishment given DC's incentives to fuck over the American people.

Trump worked for the people during his first term. His policies reduced drug prices, kept energy costs low, reduced the governmental regulation overburden, and created jobs where previously there hadn't been any. No new wars began during his term, he achieved the Abraham Peace Accords, and stopped ISISK's takeover in the Middle East.

ALL of that has been wiped out since Jan 2021. ALL OF IT. Under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris we are worse off than we were before Obama. War everywhere and getting worse, prices and costs soaring, crime, civil unrest and division, and more.

Don't tell me Trump screwed us over because he didn't. History proves he didn't. All the false accusations, lawfare, and lies from the Left couldn't stop him because it wasn't Trump who did it, it was us. Trump just opened up the opportunity for Americans to get back on their feet again.

I may not have much but I still have my pride, could be words spoken by many in these circumstances. And that's NOT because of anything Biden, Kamala, or Obama did.

The term stagflation goes back to 1965, dingus. C'mon man, you're ancient enough to remember the 70s.

 

[HisArpy]

No it’s not.

Cite? Because my info says otherwise. 39% Independent, 32% Dem, (total of 71% when combined), and 23% Republican.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

Further, the ranking is done by a SURVEY of Presidential historians who *ahem* vote for the most popular. The rankings are by virtue of which President gets the most votes, ie; a popular vote among the historians.

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall

Odd comment.

Not really.

Hard data. That’s rich, as the saying goes.

You can believe otherwise, which you obviously do, but that doesn't change the facts. Which are that America was prospering under Trump and his policies despite all the attempts by the Left to hinder him.

President Trump succeeded President Obama in January 2017, and experienced low inflation and strong increases in real wages. During his single term the economy was struck by the COVID epidemic, and the economy suffered through the Pandemic Recession from February 2020 through April 2020. This was a relatively brief but intense decline in economic activity. By his 37th month in office, January 2020, immediately prior to the Pandemic Recession, prices had risen 6.3% and real wages had increased 3.1%. For all presidential terms we examine at their 37th month, President Trump had the second lowest increase in prices, and the highest increase in real wages. The Pandemic Recession that began immediately thereafter had many impacts on the economy, including soaring unemployment but continued low inflation. The official wage and price data indicates that prices rose by 7.8%, and real wages increased by 7.1%, by the end of President Trump’s term in office.

https://perc.tamu.edu/blog/2024/02/presidents-real-wages.html

 

[gxnn]

Trump wins, the wars in Gaza and in Ukraine will stop and it is good for the world at large.
When the rival is a woman, Trump will win, refer to 2016, when nobody inside or outside the US could believe Trump would win, but he did it.

 

[HisArpy]

Stagflation is a term first used in the last century. You seem to have a very short understanding of American politics which diminishes your credibility. The assault on the American voters and the institutions of our constitutional institutions on January 6, 2021, is something that decent, law abiding Americans will never forgive Trump and his Republican enablers for especially while they remain unrepentant for their sins.

Stagflation was first used in 1965 in the British House of Commons. It was first used in the US after Nixon's attempt at wage and price controls.

So I was wrong in saying it was coined during Obama's term. Mea Culpa.

That doesn't change what happened during Obama's term.
https://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/84113-obamas-legacy-stagflation/

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Stagflation was first used in 1965 in the British House of Commons. It was first used in the US after Nixon's attempt at wage and price controls.

So I was wrong in saying it was coined during Obama's term. Mea Culpa.

That doesn't change what happened during Obama's term.
https://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/84113-obamas-legacy-stagflation/

Mark this day in history, folks. Derpy admitted he was wrong. And he did so without telling another poster to go fuck himself.

 

[HisArpy]

Mark this day in history, folks. Derpy admitted he was wrong. And he did so without telling another poster to go fuck himself.

Unlike you and the rest of the usual suspects, I admit my mistakes. I actually have a history on this board of doing so.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Trump wins, the wars in Gaza and in Ukraine will stop and it is good for the world at large.
When the rival is a woman, Trump will win, refer to 2016, when nobody inside or outside the US could believe Trump would win, but he did it.

In 2016, Donald Trump was an unknown quantity. Now people know exactly who he is and how he would govern. He’s going to lose despite China and Russia trying to prop him up.

 

[Treeview]

rumpps dim-bulb goes out leaving the MAGApublicans with a Vance-Kennedy ticket. The election turns to a romp with House/Senate/Presidency so Blue. MAGApublican party is shattered and crushed leading to its disappearance from politics.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Up until the last week, I thought it was a toss-up leaning towards vice-President Harris.

What is happening in Corporate America in the last two weeks as they one-by-one, falling like dominoes, forgo their diversity and inclusion program and positive-residual-image public relations, which were corporate America trying to prove how socially responsible they were and placate the angry, nasty, screaming, spoiled, pampered children that have decided to besiege all of our institutions thanks to the effort of the Department of Education (which needs, must, be abolished) and the insular, isolated, professorial class..., and avoid their social media blackmail because it cut into the bottom line, which they can do in good times, but under Bidenomics (Kamalanomics) they were forced to refocus on profit to stay solvent because, like the American family, they are hemorrhaging wealth awash in a sea of freshly printed money (because the Left fucking doesn't know the difference between the two).

Reality set in.

I think, that reality is beginning to put its flying fickle finger of fate onto the scales in favor of Trump and his economic policies (not to mention the border, Ukraine, Gaza and cross-dressing rapists in girls' bathrooms and impotent thugs beating the crap out of them in sports).

 

[DeluxAuto]

Trump and his economic policies

Please cite one of trump's economic policies.

 

[jomar]

Cite? Because my info says otherwise. 39% Independent, 32% Dem, (total of 71% when combined), and 23% Republican.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

Because the public doesn’t do the rankings.

But thank you for providing links.

Further, the ranking is done by a SURVEY of Presidential historians who *ahem* vote for the most popular. The rankings are by virtue of which President gets the most votes, ie; a popular vote among the historians.

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall

You seem to misunderstand the procedure of the ranking. Multiple people, typically presidential historians, independently rank presidents on the basis of a number of categories. Then, the historians rankings are compared and sorted and that’s what you’re claiming is a popular vote. You conveniently left out the methodology.

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=methodology

You can believe otherwise, which you obviously do, but that doesn't change the facts. Which are that America was prospering under Trump and his policies despite all the attempts by the Left to hinder him.

The economy was chugging along just fine under trump, I agree. Which means he didn’t fuck up what he inherited from Obama. Then Covid hit and the world shared the economic hardships, with the US bouncing back better than some.

trump did enough to hinder hisownself. Do you remember people all over the world dancing in the streets when he lost to Biden?

Bitching about petty BS on the internet is another luxury soon gone.

I certainly hope not!

 

[ll74]

Up until the last week, I thought it was a toss-up leaning towards vice-President Harris.

What is happening in Corporate America in the last two weeks as they one-by-one, falling like dominoes, forgo their diversity and inclusion program and positive-residual-image public relations, which were corporate America trying to prove how socially responsible they were and placate the angry, nasty, screaming, spoiled, pampered children that have decided to besiege all of our institutions thanks to the effort of the Department of Education (which needs, must, be abolished) and the insular, isolated, professorial class..., and avoid their social media blackmail because it cut into the bottom line, which they can do in good times, but under Bidenomics (Kamalanomics) they were forced to refocus on profit to stay solvent because, like the American family, they are hemorrhaging wealth awash in a sea of freshly printed money (because the Left fucking doesn't know the difference between the two).

Reality set in.

I think, that reality is beginning to put its flying fickle finger of fate onto the scales in favor of Trump and his economic policies (not to mention the border, Ukraine, Gaza and cross-dressing rapists in girls' bathrooms and impotent thugs beating the crap out of them in sports).

The DEI changes are not impacting poll numbers

 

[Bn2f]

When Trump left office, the unemployment numbers for black men were the lowest in decades.

Because the Black poverty rate has generally been trending down since the 1960s, numerous other presidents can claim to have achieved record lows on Black poverty during their tenure — including Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Bill Clinton, Obama, Trump and Biden.

https://www.wral.com/amp/21496821/

The best thing you can say about the Obama years is that, economically, he maintained the status quo and nothing else.

No new wars began during his term…

I always find this claim frustrating and confusing. America is always in conflict whether Active, Cold, or by proxy. This is a made up metric designed to make trump look good. It’s frustrating because 400k Americans died from Covid under his ineptitude. Had Covid been a war under his term alone, it would now rank firmly 3rd in line for casualties behind the Civil War and the 405k deaths from WWII. GFY.

Don't tell me Trump screwed us over because he didn't. History proves he didn't.

Okden!

 

[gxnn]

In 2016, Donald Trump was an unknown quantity. Now people know exactly who he is and how he would govern. He’s going to lose despite China and Russia trying to prop him up.

You are right, to some degree.
In the relief work after the Yangtze River flood in 1998, local officials were very surprised to find there were so many unregistered people that should not have existed in real world to ask for help.
Similar phenomena happened in the Covid-19 lockdown, where everybody must have their names registered and traveling shall not be permitted without records of health and vaccine.Again there sprung up many people without authentic origin. They had been in the world for so long, yet they were unknown being.
So when everybody is optimistic about their prediction, they will lose their glasses in the end. Who could have thought of the bad ending of a dad giving a gun as a gift to his loveable son, who chose to cut down with that his fellow students and dear teachers on the campus (according to CNN)? For the reference of each of calm and rational forumite.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Polls are.

I grok.

Whimsical. I point to concrete reactions by the players that massage the polls, like the people who own social media.

The Left used to be against BIG everything. They they are in bed with the white-collar BIG and have eschewed the Blue Collar BIG and BIG had noticed and BIG will adjust and when it does, polling will change, could already be changing if one gazes into the chicken-bone, crystal-ball world of the internals of the questions as when the polls show landslide-like majorities favoring Trump policies, but yet so many still think that they are going to vote for Kamal due to the subtle pressure of peerage on-line...

 

[DeluxAuto]

Polls are.

I grok.

Whimsical. I point to concrete reactions by the players that massage the polls, like the people who own social media.

The Left used to be against BIG everything. They they are in bed with the white-collar BIG and have eschewed the Blue Collar BIG and BIG had noticed and BIG will adjust and when it does, polling will change, could already be changing if one gazes into the chicken-bone, crystal-ball world of the internals of the questions as when the polls show landslide-like majorities favoring Trump policies, but yet so many still think that they are going to vote for Kamal due to the subtle pressure of peerage on-line...

t3H l3fT!

 

[BubbaHyde5]

In 2016, Donald Trump was an unknown quantity. Now people know exactly who he is and how he would govern. He’s going to lose despite China and Russia trying to prop him up.

As an objective thinker why would Russia be propping Trump up? Despite constant threat there was no real conflicts during his term. His perceived unpredictability and arrogance appear to be a bit of a deterrent. Despite the Biden Administration warning them not to invade Ukraine they still did so and continue to do so all this time later with no real consequence. On the surface it doesn't really make much sense that Russia would prefer Trump

 

[Bn2f]

…the polls show landslide-like majorities favoring Trump policies, but yet so many still think that they are going to vote for Kamal due to the subtle pressure of peerage on-line...

Yeah, cite landslide popularity to a trump policy.